In depth study on Salaat in Quran
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Salaam Pierre
It?s interesting that make your own rules for obeying messenger of God!......I?m talking about messenger not him as human being.
You say Rashad corrected the Shahada but then you follow your own findings and advising others to follow/listen you!....Are you a messenger in disguise?!
You say he discarded hadith .Well then you?re up to making up your own hadith about observing the Salat causing confusion the same way that hadith makers and collectors and promoters did.
You say that you believe in his messngership but claiming that you have found the right way of observing Salat which means you?re guided to tell us the correct way of observing the Salat etc but God did NOT guide His own chosen one, the one who should have set a good example by observing them in right way?wow so much for believing in him Pierre.
You criticize his translation by saying that there are grammatically mistakes and is written in poor language?Were you expecting for a perfect English version of Quran that you?re making such a statement?
Is that why you think you?re guided better than him to deliver the right way of Contacting/Salat God etc?You didn?t answer to my question that how come God after 8 years of his messngership asked this man to announce his messngership to the world?.Is it because you know whatever you say is an insult to God?
Well Pierre you can hide your answer from us but God knows your innermost thought... You and those who think like you when it comes to setting a good example should remember that God says messenger set a good example not you or anybody else beside you.God says that He and His messenger are the winners?.Therefore take this as backfire on you and please stop causing more confusion among those who want to stay on Straight path of God without any doubt?.If God didn?t guide His own messenger then we should forget about it that there is any hope for you and me to be guided too!...This is what I call it a Satanic concept and a message that you and those who claiming about Rashad making mistakes about observing Salat are promoting in order to take away trust in God and His messenger causing confusion ,corruption and division?.All these are coming from your ego.
People are interested to know how God?s messenger observed his prayer, this essential act of worshiping God not you and others?.If he made mistakes about it according to you which mean he lost it according to your claim then you have to choose one between two, either he was a messenger of God on the right Path regarding Contacting God and paying Zakt, Hajj and fasting or he wasn?t a messenger of God because God says that He and His messengers are the winners??You can?t have both way.
Asana
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Their identification mark are evident/embeded in their bodies from the traces of the prostrations.
"Traces" means barely detectable amount, i.e. too small to be quantified.
The preposition "fe" does not mean "upon". And "wajuhehim" also refers to whole self, not necessarily face.
Check the traces on the body of any one who prostrates, you will conveniently and invariably see it on ankle and under knee caps, if one could not detect it on forehead.
I disagree with your last statement.
I analyse this specific verse here
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Quote from Mazhar on November 28, 2010, 024005 AM
Their identification mark are evident/embeded in their bodies from the traces of the prostrations."Traces" means barely detectable amount, i.e. too small to be quantified.
The preposition "fe" does not mean "upon". And "wajuhehim" also refers to whole self, not necessarily face.
Check the traces on the body of any one who prostrates, you will conveniently and invariably see it on ankle and under knee caps, if one could not detect it on forehead.
I disagree with your last statement.
I analyse this specific verse here
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.htmlThis reference was under discussion on some other threads also.
The perception seems to have been arrived at even without determining the nature of relevant words. - is a verb and I need not say that a verb either signifies a physical act or describes a state.
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Salaam Pierre
It?s interesting that make your own rules for obeying messenger of God!......I?m talking about messenger not him as human being.
You say Rashad corrected the Shahada but then you follow your own findings and advising others to follow/listen you!....Are you a messenger in disguise?!
You say he discarded hadith .Well then you?re up to making up your own hadith about observing the Salat causing confusion the same way that hadith makers and collectors and promoters did.
You say that you believe in his messngership but claiming that you have found the right way of observing Salat which means you?re guided to tell us the correct way of observing the Salat etc but God did NOT guide His own chosen one, the one who should have set a good example by observing them in right way?wow so much for believing in him Pierre.
You criticize his translation by saying that there are grammatically mistakes and is written in poor language?Were you expecting for a perfect English version of Quran that you?re making such a statement?
Is that why you think you?re guided better than him to deliver the right way of Contacting/Salat God etc?You didn?t answer to my question that how come God after 8 years of his messngership asked this man to announce his messngership to the world?.Is it because you know whatever you say is an insult to God?
Well Pierre you can hide your answer from us but God knows your innermost thought... You and those who think like you when it comes to setting a good example should remember that God says messenger set a good example not you or anybody else beside you.God says that He and His messenger are the winners?.Therefore take this as backfire on you and please stop causing more confusion among those who want to stay on Straight path of God without any doubt?.If God didn?t guide His own messenger then we should forget about it that there is any hope for you and me to be guided too!...This is what I call it a Satanic concept and a message that you and those who claiming about Rashad making mistakes about observing Salat are promoting in order to take away trust in God and His messenger causing confusion ,corruption and division?.All these are coming from your ego.
People are interested to know how God?s messenger observed his prayer, this essential act of worshiping God not you and others?.If he made mistakes about it according to you which mean he lost it according to your claim then you have to choose one between two, either he was a messenger of God on the right Path regarding Contacting God and paying Zakt, Hajj and fasting or he wasn?t a messenger of God because God says that He and His messengers are the winners??You can?t have both way.
Asana
Salaam Asana,
I presented a study on Salaat based on the Quran, not Rashad. Am I perfect ? No.
I said the Quran is the perfect messenger, not Rashad.
Why was Rashad's Chahadah, the one he purified in the Quran (318, 3735, 4719, appendix 13) different in his Salaat ?
Can you show me one verse in the Quran which confirms the Chahadah he recited in his Salaat ?
You perfectly know which verse perfectly confirms the one he purified in appendix 13.
Over 20 years after Rashad's departure, we still have the right to study the Quran. The study I presented provides in my opinion a number of valuable remarks, and a sum of details I have not found elsewhere so far. The most valuable aspect is the explanation of the Salaat time frames. We need to understand that in depth, to help people not be fooled by people who lost the 5 Salawat.For Rashad's translation, look how many Submitters believe his translation is perfect. What happened with Rashad is the same as other messengers in the past some people started idolizing him. There are so many things you simply cannot understand from his translation if it is the only thing you read, because sometimes it is badly translated.
Example(2226) We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it (?!), those who live near it (?), and those who bow and prostrate. (Rashad' translation)
(2226) And we revealed to Abraham the location of the temple ?Do not associate anything beside Me, and purify My temple for those who do the Tawaf (ritual of circling the Kaaba), and those who stand, bow and prostrate (during Salaat). (a personal translation).Why did Rashad not preserve the meaning of the ritual of circling the Kaaba ("for those who who do the tawaf" = ) and "standing" ( = "those who stand" before you bow and prostrate ? (for instance, compare his translation of 2226 with 25 other translations at http//www.openburhan.net/) This is just one exemple, and there are many. Lots of Submitters read exclusively Rashad's translation, think it is perfect, and lose lots of the actual meaning of the Arabic Quran. If we listened to them, they would establish Rashad's translation as a standard on earth, and believe me, the quality of the English is very poor, it would not help people speak a better English, and it would spread lots of mistakes he made in his translation.
In addition he sometimes misinterpreted the Quran, for instance he believed that satan is the Khalifa on earth, when it is Adam whom God appointed as a Khalifa on earth (satan is horribly jealous of that)
(230) When your Lord said to the angels I am going to place a vicegerent (Khalifah) on earth. They said "Will You place there one who will make mischief and shed blood while we sing Your praises and glorify Your name?" Allah said "I know what you know not." (231) He taught Adam the names of all things; then He presented the things to the angels and said "Tell Me the names of these if what you say is true?" (232) Glory to You, they replied, "we have no knowledge except what You have taught us in fact You are the One who is perfect in knowledge and wisdom." (233) Allah said "O Adam! Tell them the names." When Adam told them the names, Allah said "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of the heavens and the earth and I know what you reveal and what you conceal?" (234) When We ordered the angels (including satan) "Prostrate before Adam" they all prostrated except Iblees (Satan) who refused in his arrogance and became a disbeliever.
(1850) When We said to the angels "Prostrate yourself before Adam," all prostrated themselves except Iblees (Satan), who was one of the Jinns and chose to disobey the command of his Lord. Would you then take him and his children as your protectors rather than Me, even though they are your enemies? What a bad substitute the wrongdoers have chosen!The above verses show that Adam is the khalifah appointed by God on earth, not satan. satan is a fallen angel, and as an angel, he was asked like all other angels to prostrate before Adam (therefore he cannot be the khalifah), which he refused out of arrogance. This also shows, in my opinion, that jinns are fallen angels, who rebelled against God. This is why we see in the Quran that they still have angel like powers (for instance 2740).
Also check in 1850 how Rashad mistranslated "he became a jinn" instead of "he was one of the jinns" (kaana minal jinni, ).
The "Khalifah" issue (Adam or satan) was a huge miss from Rashad, and there are others. Rashad simply reopened and prepared the way (Malichi 3) to restore Islam based exclusively on the Quran. He was far from perfect. I have personnally no doubt that Rashad was a messenger and a purifier, and we cannot be blind regarding his mistakes. One more time The Quran is the perfect messenger.Peace.
Pierre
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Then what is the base of your belief?
Salaam Mazhar,
He is the first one who really condemned hadiths. He purified the Chahadah. He unveiled the miracle of 19, which led to identify the two false verses 9128-129. He pointed out that Islam relies exclusively on the Quran.
These are the greatest accomplishments of his life, which truly opened a new era in Islam.
Pierre
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Salaam Mazhar,
He is the first one who really condemned hadiths. He purified the Chahadah. He unveiled the miracle of 19, which led to identify the two false verses 9128-129. He pointed out that Islam relies exclusively on the Quran.
These are the greatest accomplishments of his life, which truly opened a new era in Islam.
Pierre
He was never first to reject hadiths, the only reason u think that because u don't know of the millions of people in India and pakistan who rejected hadith since the 17 th century, and u didn't hear about Maurice bucaille who rejected hadith in the 70s and the imam ghazali who rejected hadiths late 70s and and... the reason u say he's the first is because u didn't read the hustory of Islam, since the companions to mussatazilah ti ibn khaldoun etc...
Rashad had a chance he used the computer when it costed hundreds of thousands of dolars, you're talking 1974 here, and he made noise, because he used Deedat acting like a pious person until he became known he proclaimed himself a messenger
All messengers that we know, are proclaimed messengers in the quran and by name, he introduced his name in translations, so , if he was like abraham or mohamed as he said, the quran would have been clear that there will be a messenger after mohamed
Jesus said a messenger will come after me called ahmed
why not Mohamed say a messenger come after me , and give his name or a similar name, or at least he would have said in the quran a messenger will come after me , he didn't
i see many verses start with Say..... for everything and never Say a messenger come after me or something like that
I don't prau 5 times a day because the sounni and shii and sublmitters do, i pray 2 times a day becaus the quran say so, periodAll verses talks about two prayers, the ones who want to prouve 5 salat go always to interpret verses thaat has nothing to do with salat
Remember, when allah give a command, it's always clear and strightforward, and about two salat also was clear and straightforward , isn't the quran sufficient ? why didn't allah say pray fajr and than noon and than afternoon and than sunset and isha , a small verse like this, we don't find it because there is no 5 stars prayer
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Salaam Mazhar,
He is the first one who really condemned hadiths. He purified the Chahadah. He unveiled the miracle of 19, which led to identify the two false verses 9128-129. He pointed out that Islam relies exclusively on the Quran.
These are the greatest accomplishments of his life, which truly opened a new era in Islam.
Pierre
Salaam brother Pierre,
True, those are really greatest accomplishments, but Allah said
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177 If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.That means, who ever do good will be for his own-self not for us. And also it don't give him a way to Messengership.
Please note that there is a difference between 'Rasool ' and 'AlRasool '.
To understand it more clearly, please look at the aayat below
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4165 Messengers who were bearers of good news and warners, so that there will be no excuse for the people with Allah after the messengers. Allah is Noble, Wise.I hope you understand the difference, inshaAllah. Now...
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4164 And messengers of whom We have told to you from before, and messengers We have not told to you; and God spoke to Moses directly.About Rasool , about some Allah told us, not about all.
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11119 And We tell to you of all from the news of the messengers with which We strengthen your heart. In this has come to you the truth and a lesson and a reminder for the believers.About AlRasool every thing has been said.
So, which Rasool do you think Rashad Khalifa is brother? Rasool or AlRasool?
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
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Salaam brother LoxBox13,
He was never first to reject hadiths, the only reason u think that because u don't know of the millions of people in India and pakistan who rejected hadith since the 17 th century
I agree with you 100% peace
May Allah guide us all towards the truth.
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He was never first to reject hadiths, the only reason u think that because u don't know of the millions of people in India and pakistan who rejected hadith since the 17 th century, and u didn't hear about Maurice bucaille who rejected hadith in the 70s and the imam ghazali who rejected hadiths late 70s and and... the reason u say he's the first is because u didn't read the hustory of Islam, since the companions to mussatazilah ti ibn khaldoun etc...
Rashad had a chance he used the computer when it costed hundreds of thousands of dolars, you're talking 1974 here, and he made noise, because he used Deedat acting like a pious person until he became known he proclaimed himself a messenger
All messengers that we know, are proclaimed messengers in the quran and by name, he introduced his name in translations, so , if he was like abraham or mohamed as he said, the quran would have been clear that there will be a messenger after mohamed
Jesus said a messenger will come after me called ahmed
why not Mohamed say a messenger come after me , and give his name or a similar name, or at least he would have said in the quran a messenger will come after me , he didn't
i see many verses start with Say..... for everything and never Say a messenger come after me or something like that
I don't prau 5 times a day because the sounni and shii and sublmitters do, i pray 2 times a day becaus the quran say so, periodAll verses talks about two prayers, the ones who want to prouve 5 salat go always to interpret verses thaat has nothing to do with salat
Remember, when allah give a command, it's always clear and strightforward, and about two salat also was clear and straightforward , isn't the quran sufficient ? why didn't allah say pray fajr and than noon and than afternoon and than sunset and isha , a small verse like this, we don't find it because there is no 5 stars prayer
peaceSalaam,
You claim Imam al Ghazali, Maurice Bucaille, and millions of people since the 17th century rejected hadiths. This may be partially true. For Ghazali, if it were the case he would have been killed and rejected. He was simply a basic sunni who mentioned Muhammad in his Chahadah like all sunnis, and was not even able to do the ritual of ablutions as described in the Quran, and followed the sunni ritual instead. So regarding your assertions, sorry, but it does not fly, and it is a lie.
There is not one of all those alleged millions of people who defined themselves as Muslims and were able to recite a pure Chahadah, that is to say not mentioning the name of Muhammad or else beside God. It is Rashad Khalifa and no one else who understood the meaning of 3945 and 4012 as the crucial test of faith of the Quran.This is Rashad's greatest accomplishment, and no one can deny he is not the first to have purified the Chahadah.
This alone is a proof of messengership.As for the alleged two prayers per day, you are lying to yourself, and like Ayman one single verse suffice to expose your claims
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.Salawat is by definition three of more prayers, and you will never be able to find a middle prayer with two, even if you claim it is several days, 2+2+2+2+2+2+... will always equal an even number and there will never be a middle prayer with an even number.
It is your ego that prevents you from seeing the truth. People on this website have been enticed by Ayman and his revisionism, and are totally disconnected from the Quran and its very precise meanings.
Peace.
Pierre
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Salaam,
You claim Imam al Ghazali, Maurice Bucaille, and millions of people since the 17th century rejected hadiths. This may be partially true. For Ghazali, if it were the case he would have been killed and rejected. He was simply a basic sunni who mentioned Muhammad in his Chahadah like all sunnis, and was not even able to do the ritual of ablutions as described in the Quran, and followed the sunni ritual instead. So regarding your assertions, sorry, but it does not fly, and it is a lie.
There is not one of all those alleged millions of people who defined themselves as Muslims and were able to recite a pure Chahadah, that is to say not mentioning the name of Muhammad or else beside God. It is Rashad Khalifa and no one else who understood the meaning of 3945 and 4012 as the crucial test of faith of the Quran.This is Rashad's greatest accomplishment, and no one can deny he is not the first to have purified the Chahadah.
This alone is a proof of messengership.As for the alleged two prayers per day, you are lying to yourself, and like Ayman one single verse suffice to expose your claims
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.Salawat is by definition three of more prayers, and you will never be able to find a middle prayer with two, even if you claim it is several days, 2+2+2+2+2+2+... will always equal an even number and there will never be a middle prayer with an even number.
It is your ego that prevents you from seeing the truth. People on this website have been enticed by Ayman and his revisionism, and are totally disconnected from the Quran and its very precise meanings.
Peace.
Pierre
U wrong to say only khalfa who said la ilahai ila llah , i don't have to testify my testimony to anyone, it's in the heart , not words to say like rashad khalfa claim
if understanding the meaning f one verse is a proof of messengership !!!, than all companions are messengers of god, as well as ahl alquran from egypt and the pakistanis of the 17th centery are as well all messengers , come on, understanding a verse makes a person messenger of god ? i think its too much , at least say maybe he was wise even though i know he inerted his nams inside parentheses translation just like sunnis do, he missstranslated oukht harooun for example to descendant of haroun, a messenger of god is one who understands the scripture and been taught by allah himself, not learning from souffis and spending time looking for his name is the qiuran, only the angel gabriel would have told him in a simple words, remember, messengers do make mistakes as all humans do, but, when it comes to the scripture, allah sends the one who is taght by himself through Gabriel, like prophete mohamed, or yahya or isa or moses , so prophet Mohamed delivered the whole quran without a single mistake and without adding his names in parentheses , remember, khalfa enjoy saying the verse about the prophet mohamed, if he added something we will take him from his heart and.....
u know the verse that khalfa use and enjoying the most about prophete mohamed , if a messenger lied or added, he will getted in the heart from allahSura 6944-48 ?And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath). But verily this is a Message for the God-fearing.?
Because prophete mohamed didn't add anything in the quran or anywhere else , so he accomplesehd his mission and allah testified about him in the quran
what if we apply this verse on khalfa and the way he died ? did allah seieze him by his right hand and cutt of his artery ? -
Salaam,
You claim Imam al Ghazali, Maurice Bucaille, and millions of people since the 17th century rejected hadiths. This may be partially true. For Ghazali, if it were the case he would have been killed and rejected. He was simply a basic sunni who mentioned Muhammad in his Chahadah like all sunnis, and was not even able to do the ritual of ablutions as described in the Quran, and followed the sunni ritual instead. So regarding your assertions, sorry, but it does not fly, and it is a lie.
There is not one of all those alleged millions of people who defined themselves as Muslims and were able to recite a pure Chahadah, that is to say not mentioning the name of Muhammad or else beside God. It is Rashad Khalifa and no one else who understood the meaning of 3945 and 4012 as the crucial test of faith of the Quran.This is Rashad's greatest accomplishment, and no one can deny he is not the first to have purified the Chahadah.
This alone is a proof of messengership.As for the alleged two prayers per day, you are lying to yourself, and like Ayman one single verse suffice to expose your claims
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.Salawat is by definition three of more prayers, and you will never be able to find a middle prayer with two, even if you claim it is several days, 2+2+2+2+2+2+... will always equal an even number and there will never be a middle prayer with an even number.
It is your ego that prevents you from seeing the truth. People on this website have been enticed by Ayman and his revisionism, and are totally disconnected from the Quran and its very precise meanings.
Peace.
Pierre
Just like Rashad khalfa taught u , u think all salat is a rituel of nimaz ! i use to think that too actually
But , u really think that allah gave the Quran to people , in it are a set of rituels and told them give this quran to humanity ?
If someone say salat is a rituel, than it is a satanic translation, because Satan Loves rituals, and for u the quran is a set of rituals, cas you explain what wousta mean in arabic ? if you want to put a point in between ywo points in arabic with the ewact dimensions between the two sides of this middepoint, it is called markaz, than it sould salat markaziya , and not wista
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Salaam Mazhar,
He is the first one who really condemned hadiths. He purified the Chahadah. He unveiled the miracle of 19, which led to identify the two false verses 9128-129. He pointed out that Islam relies exclusively on the Quran.
These are the greatest accomplishments of his life, which truly opened a new era in Islam.
Pierre
He in fact exposed himself to be a cheat and imposter. Pl find time to read few threads on 19 section of the Forum.
Rashad Khalifa's Intellectual deceit exposed-
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He in fact exposed himself to be a cheat and imposter. Pl find time to read few threads on 19 section of the Forum.
Rashad Khalifa's Intellectual deceit exposed-
And what about this regarding 9128-129 http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm + http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129partii.htm
And what about the miracle(s) that surrounds the date of his assassination and engraved it in the entire sura 19 http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm
People want to see messengers as perfect and they are not. The message he brought, which is to follow the Quran exclusively, never mention names beside God, purify the Quran, is a reality and is here to stay.
Pierre
Pierre
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Just like Rashad khalfa taught u , u think all salat is a rituel of nimaz ! i use to think that too actually
But , u really think that allah gave the Quran to people , in it are a set of rituels and told them give this quran to humanity ?
If someone say salat is a rituel, than it is a satanic translation, because Satan Loves rituals, and for u the quran is a set of rituals, cas you explain what wousta mean in arabic ? if you want to put a point in between ywo points in arabic with the ewact dimensions between the two sides of this middepoint, it is called markaz, than it sould salat markaziya , and not wista
Salaam,
Wusta means "middle". Open Quranic dictionaries and other types of dictionaries.
Furthermore, 2238 did not say "Preserve strictly the salatayn" (dual = two) but the "salawat" (three or more).2238 "Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
When Salaat is mentioned in a general sense, it is always refered to as "Aqeemu ssallaata" (observe Salaat), but in 2238, because it refers directly to the salawat of a day (implying time frames) and the middle prayer of all other prayers of the day, it is referred to as "Hafizu 'alaa ssalaawati" (Preserve strictly the ritual prayers).
So what game are you playing with the word "salawat" claiming there are only two ?! Where is your dual "salaatayn" if you are truthful ?!
Pierre
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 100140 AM
He in fact exposed himself to be a cheat and imposter. Pl find time to read few threads on 19 section of the Forum.Rashad Khalifa's Intellectual deceit exposed-
And what about this regarding 9128-129 http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm + http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129partii.htm
And what about the miracle(s) that surrounds the date of his assassination and engraved it in the entire sura 19 http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm
People want to see messengers as perfect and they are not. The message he brought, which is to follow the Quran exclusively, never mention names beside God, purify the Quran, is a reality and is here to stay.
Pierre
Pierre
I have read those, and are quoted in the link verbatim. Can you deny those deceits of RK?
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Salaam,
Wusta means "middle". Open Quranic dictionaries and other types of dictionaries.
Furthermore, 2238 did not say "Preserve strictly the salatayn" (dual = two) but the "salawat" (three or more).2238 "Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
When Salaat is mentioned in a general sense, it is always refered to as "Aqeemu ssallaata" (observe Salaat), but in 2238, because it refers directly to the salawat of a day (implying time frames) and the middle prayer of all other prayers of the day, it is referred to as "Hafizu 'alaa ssalaawati" (Preserve strictly the ritual prayers).
So what game are you playing with the word "salawat" claiming there are only two ?! Where is your dual "salaatayn" if you are truthful ?!
Pierre
Are these called salat and salawat or not ? how do u define ritual prayer?
Are all these called salat and salawat or not ?
the only precise salat with timings are the ones that gos always for the two extreme parts of the day, it always say when it starts and when it ends, so what about the other salats? parliement , family affairs etc.... what make u so sure that bukhari and hadiths were right when they invented 5 salat just as zoroastrians, ? why in one side, khalfa says salat came to us from generation to generation, and allah says it clearly in the quran to don't follow what your fathers did, you have the quran, if i follow the TAWATOUR for salat, i better follow more of the hadith better than beign a hypocrit
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 031826 PM
I have read those, and are quoted in the link verbatim. Can you deny those deceits of RK?Do you deny the miracle of 19 ?
Pierre
It seems that you have not even seen the link given. His so called 19 miracle proves 9128-129 as the original text of Qur'aan. He fudged the digits to support his willfull deceit.
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It seems that you have not even seen the link given. His so called 19 miracle proves 9128-129 as the original text of Qur'aan. He fudged the digits to support his willfull deceit.
Salaam,
I don't have the time to go over your document right now, but I am interested in studying it, give me a few weeks and I will get back to it seriously God willing.
In the meantime, Can you respond to these few questions- Do you believe there are 365 words "day" in the Quran or not (generic singular forms, no pronouns...).
- Do you pray five times daily ?
- Do you prostrate physically in Salaat ?
- Do you believe the Islamic calendar is lunar ?
- Do you believe that the 9th lunar month is "Ramadan", the month of fasting ?
- Do you believe the Sacred Masjid is located in Mecca ?
- Do you believe we do the ritual of tawaf, walking between safa and Marwa at the Sacred Masjid ?
Just a few questions to understand better who you are.
Peace.
Pierre
