In depth study on Salaat in Quran
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Salaam brother LoxBox13,
He was never first to reject hadiths, the only reason u think that because u don't know of the millions of people in India and pakistan who rejected hadith since the 17 th century
I agree with you 100% peace
May Allah guide us all towards the truth.
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He was never first to reject hadiths, the only reason u think that because u don't know of the millions of people in India and pakistan who rejected hadith since the 17 th century, and u didn't hear about Maurice bucaille who rejected hadith in the 70s and the imam ghazali who rejected hadiths late 70s and and... the reason u say he's the first is because u didn't read the hustory of Islam, since the companions to mussatazilah ti ibn khaldoun etc...
Rashad had a chance he used the computer when it costed hundreds of thousands of dolars, you're talking 1974 here, and he made noise, because he used Deedat acting like a pious person until he became known he proclaimed himself a messenger
All messengers that we know, are proclaimed messengers in the quran and by name, he introduced his name in translations, so , if he was like abraham or mohamed as he said, the quran would have been clear that there will be a messenger after mohamed
Jesus said a messenger will come after me called ahmed
why not Mohamed say a messenger come after me , and give his name or a similar name, or at least he would have said in the quran a messenger will come after me , he didn't
i see many verses start with Say..... for everything and never Say a messenger come after me or something like that
I don't prau 5 times a day because the sounni and shii and sublmitters do, i pray 2 times a day becaus the quran say so, periodAll verses talks about two prayers, the ones who want to prouve 5 salat go always to interpret verses thaat has nothing to do with salat
Remember, when allah give a command, it's always clear and strightforward, and about two salat also was clear and straightforward , isn't the quran sufficient ? why didn't allah say pray fajr and than noon and than afternoon and than sunset and isha , a small verse like this, we don't find it because there is no 5 stars prayer
peaceSalaam,
You claim Imam al Ghazali, Maurice Bucaille, and millions of people since the 17th century rejected hadiths. This may be partially true. For Ghazali, if it were the case he would have been killed and rejected. He was simply a basic sunni who mentioned Muhammad in his Chahadah like all sunnis, and was not even able to do the ritual of ablutions as described in the Quran, and followed the sunni ritual instead. So regarding your assertions, sorry, but it does not fly, and it is a lie.
There is not one of all those alleged millions of people who defined themselves as Muslims and were able to recite a pure Chahadah, that is to say not mentioning the name of Muhammad or else beside God. It is Rashad Khalifa and no one else who understood the meaning of 3945 and 4012 as the crucial test of faith of the Quran.This is Rashad's greatest accomplishment, and no one can deny he is not the first to have purified the Chahadah.
This alone is a proof of messengership.As for the alleged two prayers per day, you are lying to yourself, and like Ayman one single verse suffice to expose your claims
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.Salawat is by definition three of more prayers, and you will never be able to find a middle prayer with two, even if you claim it is several days, 2+2+2+2+2+2+... will always equal an even number and there will never be a middle prayer with an even number.
It is your ego that prevents you from seeing the truth. People on this website have been enticed by Ayman and his revisionism, and are totally disconnected from the Quran and its very precise meanings.
Peace.
Pierre
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Salaam,
You claim Imam al Ghazali, Maurice Bucaille, and millions of people since the 17th century rejected hadiths. This may be partially true. For Ghazali, if it were the case he would have been killed and rejected. He was simply a basic sunni who mentioned Muhammad in his Chahadah like all sunnis, and was not even able to do the ritual of ablutions as described in the Quran, and followed the sunni ritual instead. So regarding your assertions, sorry, but it does not fly, and it is a lie.
There is not one of all those alleged millions of people who defined themselves as Muslims and were able to recite a pure Chahadah, that is to say not mentioning the name of Muhammad or else beside God. It is Rashad Khalifa and no one else who understood the meaning of 3945 and 4012 as the crucial test of faith of the Quran.This is Rashad's greatest accomplishment, and no one can deny he is not the first to have purified the Chahadah.
This alone is a proof of messengership.As for the alleged two prayers per day, you are lying to yourself, and like Ayman one single verse suffice to expose your claims
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.Salawat is by definition three of more prayers, and you will never be able to find a middle prayer with two, even if you claim it is several days, 2+2+2+2+2+2+... will always equal an even number and there will never be a middle prayer with an even number.
It is your ego that prevents you from seeing the truth. People on this website have been enticed by Ayman and his revisionism, and are totally disconnected from the Quran and its very precise meanings.
Peace.
Pierre
U wrong to say only khalfa who said la ilahai ila llah , i don't have to testify my testimony to anyone, it's in the heart , not words to say like rashad khalfa claim
if understanding the meaning f one verse is a proof of messengership !!!, than all companions are messengers of god, as well as ahl alquran from egypt and the pakistanis of the 17th centery are as well all messengers , come on, understanding a verse makes a person messenger of god ? i think its too much , at least say maybe he was wise even though i know he inerted his nams inside parentheses translation just like sunnis do, he missstranslated oukht harooun for example to descendant of haroun, a messenger of god is one who understands the scripture and been taught by allah himself, not learning from souffis and spending time looking for his name is the qiuran, only the angel gabriel would have told him in a simple words, remember, messengers do make mistakes as all humans do, but, when it comes to the scripture, allah sends the one who is taght by himself through Gabriel, like prophete mohamed, or yahya or isa or moses , so prophet Mohamed delivered the whole quran without a single mistake and without adding his names in parentheses , remember, khalfa enjoy saying the verse about the prophet mohamed, if he added something we will take him from his heart and.....
u know the verse that khalfa use and enjoying the most about prophete mohamed , if a messenger lied or added, he will getted in the heart from allahSura 6944-48 ?And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath). But verily this is a Message for the God-fearing.?
Because prophete mohamed didn't add anything in the quran or anywhere else , so he accomplesehd his mission and allah testified about him in the quran
what if we apply this verse on khalfa and the way he died ? did allah seieze him by his right hand and cutt of his artery ? -
Salaam,
You claim Imam al Ghazali, Maurice Bucaille, and millions of people since the 17th century rejected hadiths. This may be partially true. For Ghazali, if it were the case he would have been killed and rejected. He was simply a basic sunni who mentioned Muhammad in his Chahadah like all sunnis, and was not even able to do the ritual of ablutions as described in the Quran, and followed the sunni ritual instead. So regarding your assertions, sorry, but it does not fly, and it is a lie.
There is not one of all those alleged millions of people who defined themselves as Muslims and were able to recite a pure Chahadah, that is to say not mentioning the name of Muhammad or else beside God. It is Rashad Khalifa and no one else who understood the meaning of 3945 and 4012 as the crucial test of faith of the Quran.This is Rashad's greatest accomplishment, and no one can deny he is not the first to have purified the Chahadah.
This alone is a proof of messengership.As for the alleged two prayers per day, you are lying to yourself, and like Ayman one single verse suffice to expose your claims
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.Salawat is by definition three of more prayers, and you will never be able to find a middle prayer with two, even if you claim it is several days, 2+2+2+2+2+2+... will always equal an even number and there will never be a middle prayer with an even number.
It is your ego that prevents you from seeing the truth. People on this website have been enticed by Ayman and his revisionism, and are totally disconnected from the Quran and its very precise meanings.
Peace.
Pierre
Just like Rashad khalfa taught u , u think all salat is a rituel of nimaz ! i use to think that too actually
But , u really think that allah gave the Quran to people , in it are a set of rituels and told them give this quran to humanity ?
If someone say salat is a rituel, than it is a satanic translation, because Satan Loves rituals, and for u the quran is a set of rituals, cas you explain what wousta mean in arabic ? if you want to put a point in between ywo points in arabic with the ewact dimensions between the two sides of this middepoint, it is called markaz, than it sould salat markaziya , and not wista
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Salaam Mazhar,
He is the first one who really condemned hadiths. He purified the Chahadah. He unveiled the miracle of 19, which led to identify the two false verses 9128-129. He pointed out that Islam relies exclusively on the Quran.
These are the greatest accomplishments of his life, which truly opened a new era in Islam.
Pierre
He in fact exposed himself to be a cheat and imposter. Pl find time to read few threads on 19 section of the Forum.
Rashad Khalifa's Intellectual deceit exposed-
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He in fact exposed himself to be a cheat and imposter. Pl find time to read few threads on 19 section of the Forum.
Rashad Khalifa's Intellectual deceit exposed-
And what about this regarding 9128-129 http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm + http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129partii.htm
And what about the miracle(s) that surrounds the date of his assassination and engraved it in the entire sura 19 http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm
People want to see messengers as perfect and they are not. The message he brought, which is to follow the Quran exclusively, never mention names beside God, purify the Quran, is a reality and is here to stay.
Pierre
Pierre
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Just like Rashad khalfa taught u , u think all salat is a rituel of nimaz ! i use to think that too actually
But , u really think that allah gave the Quran to people , in it are a set of rituels and told them give this quran to humanity ?
If someone say salat is a rituel, than it is a satanic translation, because Satan Loves rituals, and for u the quran is a set of rituals, cas you explain what wousta mean in arabic ? if you want to put a point in between ywo points in arabic with the ewact dimensions between the two sides of this middepoint, it is called markaz, than it sould salat markaziya , and not wista
Salaam,
Wusta means "middle". Open Quranic dictionaries and other types of dictionaries.
Furthermore, 2238 did not say "Preserve strictly the salatayn" (dual = two) but the "salawat" (three or more).2238 "Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
When Salaat is mentioned in a general sense, it is always refered to as "Aqeemu ssallaata" (observe Salaat), but in 2238, because it refers directly to the salawat of a day (implying time frames) and the middle prayer of all other prayers of the day, it is referred to as "Hafizu 'alaa ssalaawati" (Preserve strictly the ritual prayers).
So what game are you playing with the word "salawat" claiming there are only two ?! Where is your dual "salaatayn" if you are truthful ?!
Pierre
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 100140 AM
He in fact exposed himself to be a cheat and imposter. Pl find time to read few threads on 19 section of the Forum.Rashad Khalifa's Intellectual deceit exposed-
And what about this regarding 9128-129 http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm + http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129partii.htm
And what about the miracle(s) that surrounds the date of his assassination and engraved it in the entire sura 19 http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm
People want to see messengers as perfect and they are not. The message he brought, which is to follow the Quran exclusively, never mention names beside God, purify the Quran, is a reality and is here to stay.
Pierre
Pierre
I have read those, and are quoted in the link verbatim. Can you deny those deceits of RK?
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Salaam,
Wusta means "middle". Open Quranic dictionaries and other types of dictionaries.
Furthermore, 2238 did not say "Preserve strictly the salatayn" (dual = two) but the "salawat" (three or more).2238 "Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
When Salaat is mentioned in a general sense, it is always refered to as "Aqeemu ssallaata" (observe Salaat), but in 2238, because it refers directly to the salawat of a day (implying time frames) and the middle prayer of all other prayers of the day, it is referred to as "Hafizu 'alaa ssalaawati" (Preserve strictly the ritual prayers).
So what game are you playing with the word "salawat" claiming there are only two ?! Where is your dual "salaatayn" if you are truthful ?!
Pierre
Are these called salat and salawat or not ? how do u define ritual prayer?
Are all these called salat and salawat or not ?
the only precise salat with timings are the ones that gos always for the two extreme parts of the day, it always say when it starts and when it ends, so what about the other salats? parliement , family affairs etc.... what make u so sure that bukhari and hadiths were right when they invented 5 salat just as zoroastrians, ? why in one side, khalfa says salat came to us from generation to generation, and allah says it clearly in the quran to don't follow what your fathers did, you have the quran, if i follow the TAWATOUR for salat, i better follow more of the hadith better than beign a hypocrit
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 031826 PM
I have read those, and are quoted in the link verbatim. Can you deny those deceits of RK?Do you deny the miracle of 19 ?
Pierre
It seems that you have not even seen the link given. His so called 19 miracle proves 9128-129 as the original text of Qur'aan. He fudged the digits to support his willfull deceit.
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It seems that you have not even seen the link given. His so called 19 miracle proves 9128-129 as the original text of Qur'aan. He fudged the digits to support his willfull deceit.
Salaam,
I don't have the time to go over your document right now, but I am interested in studying it, give me a few weeks and I will get back to it seriously God willing.
In the meantime, Can you respond to these few questions- Do you believe there are 365 words "day" in the Quran or not (generic singular forms, no pronouns...).
- Do you pray five times daily ?
- Do you prostrate physically in Salaat ?
- Do you believe the Islamic calendar is lunar ?
- Do you believe that the 9th lunar month is "Ramadan", the month of fasting ?
- Do you believe the Sacred Masjid is located in Mecca ?
- Do you believe we do the ritual of tawaf, walking between safa and Marwa at the Sacred Masjid ?
Just a few questions to understand better who you are.
Peace.
Pierre
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Do you believe there are 365 words "day" in the Quran or not (generic singular forms, no pronouns...).
It is a matter of simple counting.
If you "believe" it has 365 occurrences in Grand Qur'aan, the only thing that you need to do is that you quote the Aayat Nos where it occurs in sequential order for convenience of cross verification and then make it your "belief".
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Are these called salat and salawat or not ? how do u define ritual prayer?
Are all these called salat and salawat or not ?
the only precise salat with timings are the ones that gos always for the two extreme parts of the day, it always say when it starts and when it ends, so what about the other salats? parliement , family affairs etc.... what make u so sure that bukhari and hadiths were right when they invented 5 salat just as zoroastrians, ? why in one side, khalfa says salat came to us from generation to generation, and allah says it clearly in the quran to don't follow what your fathers did, you have the quran, if i follow the TAWATOUR for salat, i better follow more of the hadith better than beign a hypocrit
Salaam,
Salaat has been prescribed at specific times
(4103) ?Observe the ritual prayers; indeed the ritual prayer has been decreed upon believers at specific times.- The Dawn prayer
Dawn Quranic time frame (891) By the Dawn !
(11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer at both extremities of the daylight (dual plural = two entities, referring to the Dawn and Sunset Quranic time frames)?
(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before sunrise (lit. ?the rising of the sun?)?- Noon Prayer
Noon Quranic time frame Sun at its zenith until ?Asr (Afternoon) (245 ? Before the Dawn prayer, when you put away your clothes in the Midday () , and after the Night prayer?
(301 All praise is due to Him in the heavens and the earth In the evening as well as when you reach Midday ( , when the sun starts to decline at zenith).
(177 Observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer from the decline of the sun (?Duluk al shams? at Noon when the sun starts declining from its zenith) until the darkness of the night ?
Remark ?Duluk al Shams? (?the decline of the sun? at noon in 177 cannot possibly mean ?the rubbing of the sun? (at Sunset against the line of the horizon), as some people have claimed, because the Sunset prayer has to be observed when the sun has completely disappeared behind the horizon (as it is made clear in 20130, the exact limit between the Afternoon and Sunset time frames is "the disappearance of the sun", and it frequently takes over one minute for the sun to supposedly ?rub against the line of the horizon? at sea level and disappear completely. Salaat times are perfectly precise, not an approximation. Furthermore it is a lie that the sun ?rubs? against the horizon; it is a ridiculous belief inherited from the middle ages.
- Afternoon prayer
Afternoon Quranic time frame from when the sun reaches the middle between noon and sunset, until sunset (1031) By the Afternoon !
(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (Dawn Quranic time frame) and before its disappearance (primarily the ?Afternoon? Quranic time frame)?
- The Quranic time frame directly located ?before ?the disappearance of the sun? is ?Asr (the afternoon, 1031). You cannot observe the Noon prayer in the ?Afternoon?, so the afternoon prayer is by definition included in the time period referred to as ?before the disappearance of the sun?.
- Exact same meaning in the following verse
(5039) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before sunset (primarily Afternoon, but also Noon prayer). - The Afternoon prayer is mentioned by name
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat = 3 or more Salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility. - The ?Middle? prayer is the Afternoon prayer, when the course of sun reaches the ?middle? between Noon and Sunset. The ?Middle? prayer is also the middle prayer of all Five daily prayers in Islam (Dawn, Noon, Afternoon, Sunset, Night).
- Sunset prayer
Sunset Quranic time frame visual disappearance of the sun until the apparition of stable darkness at the end of twilight (921) And the night (layl) as it is spreading. ( = imperfect tense action in the process = there is still light in the sky).
(11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer at both extremities of the daylight (dual plural = two entities. Referring to Dawn and Sunset Quranic time frames)?
(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (= Dawn prayer) and before its disappearance (Afternoon, and Noon prayers), as well as from the (first) hours of the night (= Sunset/Night prayers), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities (regular plural = three or more extremities) of the daylight, that you may be content.
- The limit between the Afternoon and Sunset prayers is ?the (complete) disappearance of the sun?. Once the sun has completely disappeared visually in the sky at sea level, it is time for the Sunset prayer.
17.2.5 Night prayer
Night Quranic time frame The dark night
(932) And when the night (layl) has darkened ( = perfect tense = action is over = stable state of darkness = when there is no more daylight in the sky).- The ?Night prayer? (Salaat al 'Ichaa) is mentioned by name in 2458.
- 20130 above says that we shall praise God ?from the (first) hours of the night (= Sunset/Night prayers), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities of the daylight (regular plural = three or more extremities), that you may be content.?
- The Arabic expression which stands for ?from the (first) hours of the night? (Aanaa? llayl) is plural and describes an extended period of time that is much too short for the Sunset time frame alone described in 921 (barely an hour). Therefore ?from the (first) hours of the night? englobes both the ?Sunset? (921) and ?dark Night? (932) Quranic time frames.
(11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer ( َ at both extremities of the daylight ( = Dawn + Sunset), and (و in the early watches of the night ( = Night prayer) verily good deeds repel evil deeds. This is a reminder for those who celebrate (their Lord).
All these FIVE precise Salaat times correspond to FIVE specific Quranic time frames.
People who claim that some verses do not refer to Salaat time frames are exposed by 5039-40
(5039) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before sunset, (5040) And (starting) from the night ( ), so glorify Him (), as well as at the ends of the prostrations ( ).Even though the word Salaat is not mentioned in 5039-40, the fact we shall glorify God at the ends of the ?prostrations? (Arabic plural = three or more) makes it clear we are dealing with Salaat and Salaat times. Only those who are to arrogant to prostrate during Salaat will reject this incontrovertible proof.
We have seen in this post that indeed Salaat has been prescribed at very specific times wich coincide with specific Quranic time frames.6842 The day will come when they will be exposed, and they will be required to fall prostrate, but they will be unable to.
Pierre
- The Dawn prayer
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Salaam,
I don't have the time to go over your document right now, but I am interested in studying it, give me a few weeks and I will get back to it seriously God willing.
In the meantime, Can you respond to these few questions- Do you believe there are 365 words "day" in the Quran or not (generic singular forms, no pronouns...).
- Do you pray five times daily ?
- Do you prostrate physically in Salaat ?
- Do you believe the Islamic calendar is lunar ?
- Do you believe that the 9th lunar month is "Ramadan", the month of fasting ?
- Do you believe the Sacred Masjid is located in Mecca ?
- Do you believe we do the ritual of tawaf, walking between safa and Marwa at the Sacred Masjid ?
Just a few questions to understand better who you are.
Peace.
Pierre
Oh no you forget to ask one important question,
Do you Kiss the black stone -*
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It is a matter of simple counting.
If you "believe" it has 365 occurrences in Grand Qur'aan, the only thing that you need to do is that you quote the Aayat Nos where it occurs in sequential order for convenience of cross verification and then make it your "belief".
Would you mind answering these few questions, you know what I believe, I don't know what you believe
- Do you pray five times daily ?
- Do you prostrate physically in Salaat ?
- Do you believe the Islamic calendar is lunar ?
- Do you believe that the 9th lunar month is "Ramadan", the month of fasting ?
- Do you believe the Sacred Masjid is located in Mecca ?
- Do you believe we do the ritual of tawaf, walking between safa and Marwa by the Sacred Masjid ?
Peace.
Pierre
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And I am interested in knowing the reason and logic of your belief in the so called nessengership of Rashad Khalifa. Rashad Khalifa was interested in digits more than anything else. And I say playing with digits is always dangerous since it quite conveniently exposes his fraud and cheatig.
You brought in the figure of 365 with reference to belief, perhaps RK counted that too. Please mention the reference No of Ayat where it occurs for 365 times, generic form, no pronouns as you suggest.
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And I am interested in knowing the reason and logic of your belief in the so called nessengership of Rashad Khalifa. Rashad Khalifa was interested in digits more than anything else. And I say playing with digits is always dangerous since it quite conveniently exposes his fraud and cheatig.
You brought in the figure of 365 with reference to belief, perhaps RK counted that too. Please mention the reference No of Ayat where it occurs for 365 times, generic form, no pronouns as you suggest.
http//www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Quran_and_the_365_days_Maths_Miracle peace
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Salam Afridi,
Thanks I know these figures since I compile all occurrences for translation. He used the word generic and without pronouns. 365 figure is arrived only aftter icluding prepositional phrases. And with addition of possessive phrases the figure exceeds to 375. And if prepositional phrases are also excluded the figure gets reduced to 349.
12 months do not comprise of 365 days, it is presumed only for convenience of calculation, and some years are calculated as 366 days, therefore, there is nothing to be considered as "digital miricle".