Equality of mens.
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Why do I have the feeling that you just want us to confirm the opinion you are expression and that you won't take no for an answer. Also you seem to lie a lot on killing. If you fancy killing so much I hope you get something from that feeling, but it is useless to entreat us to it so insistently. One thing is to emp`ril one's life for the sake of justice and the defence of the defenceless, another thing is to make such stock out of killing as you seem to make. Don't count on us for that. Islam is not about killing but about life and submission to the Most Merciful.
Salaam
OK, let's not assume too much on others. Stone is just asking a question here. There may be language issue, no offense meant to anyone but, not everyone is a native/super-fluent English speaker, so wording might not sufficiently represent the original intention of the poster. Second, the fact that he is asking his question could mean that he is not satisfied with what he knew, so why not give him the benefit of the doubt.
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O.K Thank you for this post.
I understand term "Jihad".It is not just war,I know.
But,we must agree,it is and war.What I want to say,jihad is not just a war,but "inter alia"it is and war also.
Or if you dont understand me,is jihad possible without a war?
And finaly,the subject of topic,people in jihad are not equal with people not in jihad,and if jihad is and war it means that are man who is not in war is not equal with man in war.This not complicate to understand.In a broader view, i tend to see violence-sensitive issues in AQ (fighting in defense from oppression, capital punishment for killing, flocking for adultery, 'cuffing, even cutting the hand for stealing) as "STOPPAGE" for any action that endangers the society. So, in the case of LIFE-threatening situation, if i had to STOP a murderer from murdering someone and the best i could do is strike its vital organ, i had to do it for the sake of the collective LIFE of our society/community (well, that is, including myself too). This purpose includes the possibility of self-sacrificing, which is to be done for the sake of the collective LIFE of our society/community (which by the way, has the minimum requirement of one person, as saving one's life equals saving the humanity, but this is another dense subject to get into).
And by no means self-sacrificing should be glorified for the sake of heavenly images (e.g. the "higher position in the God's eyes" image as you are questioning), which would gravely perverse the action and potentially lead people to illogically rationalize war (just like war for gold, gospel, and glory but with all the golds and glories deferred for the 'next life'. No, the best way to approach war is not to win it by demolishing the enemy, but to STOP it without losing, to make way for the living beings to exercise their chance to grow their soul.
Same thing for money, corrupt governments, glorified violence, drugs, human trafficking, and anything that binds people by fear and gross stimulation of the primitive brain. The goal is not to "overpower" the destructive, oppressing force with an opposing destructive force, because all the force needed to be unleashed is in the constructive direction.
"Evil" (aka the stubornness to serve the ego) has such a self-destructive nature that all we need to do is to participate in the constructive actions, leaving only "inertia" for it. As the contrast between constructive and destructive forces grows, more people will be able to 'pick things up' and make conscious choice.
This post reflects only my personal view, and just like the mods here i recommend that you do your own study on this matter, and with an open mind too, clear from any preconceived notion.
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So we have now established "jihad" is not exclusively about war/fighting/killing etc.
Now, all we need to do is compile the verses that talk about who is closest to God etc. Then see what it says.
Have you done that?
I never say that jihad is exclusively about war.But war is part of jihad.And God likes more when we are in jihad,so we are not equal with people are not kiiling in war for Allah.This is what I say.
Tell me if you must to go in war for God what you will say?It is not in jihad?It is not writen in Quran? -
Stone, I prefer logical discussion.
In any case, let me summarise
Yes, those who strive in the cause of God, are better than those who do not, and striving takes many forms, as can blatantly be seen in The Quran. In some contexts it is striving with the message, it is doing the right thing, it is being charitable, it is fighting against oppression, it is forgiving, it is being just etc. Those closest to God is not exclusively linked with the phrase "striving in the cause of God".
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Stone, I prefer logical discussion.
In any case, let me summarise
Yes, those who strive in the cause of God, are better than those who do not, and striving takes many forms, as can blatantly be seen in The Quran. In some contexts it is striving with the message, it is doing the right thing, it is being charitable, it is fighting against oppression, it is forgiving, it is being just etc. Those closest to God is not exclusively linked with the phrase "striving in the cause of God".
I agree Wakas,logical discussion,I prefer it also.
I go slowly...with patience...First,I type word "strive"in my google translate.O.K...I understand...
Now,reading again your post,striving with the message,charitable,forgiving...it is logical...
And there is 4;169 now.How this go with "strive"?I read it again"Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions."They are killed cause they been charitable?They was fighting against oppression?They are not just closest to God,they are directly with God.Without any trial. -
Stone, i don't know why you associate "killed in the cause of GOD" and "killing and go in war" (your original question).
I just want to open up your eyes to the possibility of getting "killed in the cause of GOD" while at the same time, NOT trying (not even intending) to "kill" anyone with just one example out of so many http//rachelcorriefoundation.org/
Yes, by being CHARITABLE. And yes, by FIGHTING AGAINST OPPRESSION.
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Peace Stone,
Maybe an example will demonstrate what some here have been trying to say regarding 3169.
If an old person was struggling to cross the road and you help them. While doing this, a car hits and kills you.
In this case, you were serving God by assisting someone. Would you not qualify in terms of 3169?
Imraan
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Stone, i don't know why you associate "killed in the cause of GOD" and "killing and go in war" (your original question).
I just want to open up your eyes to the possibility of getting "killed in the cause of GOD" while at the same time, NOT trying (not even intending) to "kill" anyone with just one example out of so many http//rachelcorriefoundation.org/
Yes, by being CHARITABLE. And yes, by FIGHTING AGAINST OPPRESSION.
Peace bro san,
Associate kill in cause of God with killed in cause of God...I dont know why.
Maybe because I did not have idea in my had how you can die on Allah way and that not be war.So I made link between this two things.Example you give me with this link help me a little to realize that it is possible ti die on Gods way and that is not necessarily in war. -
Peace Stone,
Maybe an example will demonstrate what some here have been trying to say regarding 3169.
If an old person was struggling to cross the road and you help them. While doing this, a car hits and kills you.
In this case, you were serving God by assisting someone. Would you not qualify in terms of 3169?
Imraan
Peace to you,I understand your example.
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Just one my conclusion,and you give me proof if I am wrong.
God loves more people who died on his way.
It way is not just war,it is also charitable,forgiving...
Someone can die in way of way that it is not in battle.
But...it can be way in battle and war.Just tell me,when Muhamed start with his calling in islam,first it was calling without war,and after?Does someone kill ever somebody in the name of Allah...ever?
And who suffer after?Sister,women,daughter of that unbeliever who did not recognize Gods prophet?
God sad"You must love more me than your sister,your wife,your father".I must tell you sincerely,I love more my kids my,mother and sisters than God.And because of that,God loves more other people than me.I am not good muslim in his eyes,I could not kill never,never in his name.Mohamed could,but I am not such a good believer...
In fact he could have sex with kids,but we are not all perfect... -
Just one my conclusion,and you give me proof if I am wrong.
God loves more people who died on his way.
It way is not just war,it is also charitable,forgiving...
Someone can die in way of way that it is not in battle.
But...it can be way in battle and war.Just tell me,when Muhamed start with his calling in islam,first it was calling without war,and after?Does someone kill ever somebody in the name of Allah...ever?
And who suffer after?Sister,women,daughter of that unbeliever who did not recognize Gods prophet?
God sad"You must love more me than your sister,your wife,your father".I must tell you sincerely,I love more my kids my,mother and sisters than God.And because of that,God loves more other people than me.I am not good muslim in his eyes,I could not kill never,never in his name.Mohamed could,but I am not such a good believer...
In fact he could have sex with kids,but we are not all perfect...Vicious post
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Maybe vicious to you,but did I wrote any lie?
Is to kill someone in the name of Allah part of jihad or it is not?
I dont wont to be a liar to say that it is not true,when it is true?
Can someone say that it is not a true?
What is one of the comand acording ti Tora?
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I never sad anything about terorism suicide an killing innocent people.I know that it is not jihad.
I say about killing in general,what hapens,acording the Quran.When you kill some pagan,in the name of God for example.
And that someone who do such a thing is better in God eyes than someone who is afraid of battle.
And that are we are not equal in eyes of God with brave believers ready to die.It is what it writes in Quran,dont tell me it is not a true.
