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    mmkhan
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    Salaam Bahman,

    Peace.You mean God di not make this covenant with Prophet Mohammed. He was excluded?

    Nope, if you look at 381 again, you may understand that covenant was taken from all Prophets including Prophet Mohammed and messenger will come in the same period of Prophet, then only a Prophet could able to help him and believe in him, isn't it?

    and then how prophet could do authenticating.?
    and how you can do authenticating even today when ORIGINAL WAS BURNT and there is such problem!!!
    Peace

    That is not our responsibility brother, but Allah has already taken care of it. We will be questioned from what we have given. So, no worry... inshaAllah.

    May Allah open our hearts to understand the Truth. pr
    Mohammed M. Khan

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      Salaam Bahman,
      Nope, if you look at 381 again, you may understand that covenant was taken from all Prophets including Prophet Mohammed and messenger will come in the same period of Prophet, then only a Prophet could able to help him and believe in him, isn't it?

      That is not our responsibility brother, but Allah has already taken care of it. We will be questioned from what we have given. So, no worry... inshaAllah.

      May Allah open our hearts to understand the Truth. pr
      Mohammed M. Khan

      Peace
      So have you ever study and search why Original was burnt?
      or it has not been important for you?
      Peace )

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        Bahman
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        Salaam Bahman,
        Nope, if you look at 381 again, you may understand that covenant was taken from all Prophets including Prophet Mohammed and messenger then (Afterward,Later ) a messengerwill come in the same period of Prophet, then only a Prophet could able to help him and believe in him, isn't it?

        Just insert your own translation

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          seems this new member is not going with forum rules, this a English Topic. Please delete it

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            Bahman
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            Peace.
            A.L.R. These (letters) are the

            Peace everybody
            Now is 3 weeks and only accusation, Talking to you that know good Arabic, show you abilty and knowledge and guide me an ll and insert the word fits your understanding. PLEASE`just do your translation without any comment or footnote.
            Peace

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              Bahman
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              Rashad

              He is dead. do your translation.
              A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                Bahman
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                Mohammed M. Khan

                Do your translation please then we talk about 381
                A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                  Bahman
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                  I was reading

                  do your translation please.
                  A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                    loxbox13
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                    Yeah, i thaught u do speak arabic, sorry, this explanation very logic and makes perfect sense about moukataates. I will translate it to english, peace

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                      Any body name can be adjusted to have a multiple but who was inspired to reveal secret of Seven pairs. You,,your teachers, scholars, imams, shaikhs me . Of course accept that Hanifi scholar and you or anybody design such table then that is different.
                      Go do your home work and find how Rashad`designed such table which no human can imitate itm by the way do not use band witch for nonsense

                      That table is STUPID and you are (the ignorant) !

                      5 130 315301050 1
                      87 130 315301050 2
                      89 130 315301050 3
                      92 130 315301050 4
                      112 130 315301050 5
                      55 130 315301050 6
                      39 130 315301050 7
                      88 130 315301050 8
                      113 130 315301050 9
                      51 130 315301050 10
                      52 130 315301050 11
                      53 130 315301050 12
                      96 130 315301050 13
                      72 130 315301050 14
                      54 130 315301050 15
                      70 130 315301050 16
                      50 130 315301050 17
                      69 130 315301050 18
                      44 130 315301050 19
                      45 130 315301050 20
                      73 130 315301050 21
                      103 130 315301050 22
                      74 130 315301050 23
                      102 130 315301050 24
                      42 130 315301050 25
                      47 130 315301050 26
                      48 130 315301050 27
                      49 130 315301050 28
                      85 130 315301050 29
                      84 130 315301050 30
                      57 130 315301050 31
                      75 130 315301050 32
                      90 130 315301050 33
                      58 130 315301050 34
                      43 130 315301050 35
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                      56 130 315301050 37
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                      59 130 315301050 39
                      60 130 315301050 40
                      61 130 315301050 41
                      62 130 315301050 42
                      63 130 315301050 43
                      64 130 315301050 44
                      65 130 315301050 45
                      66 130 315301050 46
                      95 130 315301050 47
                      111 130 315301050 48
                      106 130 315301050 49
                      34 130 315301050 50
                      67 130 315301050 51
                      76 130 315301050 52
                      23 130 315301050 53
                      37 130 315301050 54
                      97 130 315301050 55
                      46 130 315301050 56
                      94 130 315301050 57
                      105 130 315301050 58
                      101 130 315301050 59
                      91 130 315301050 60
                      109 130 315301050 61
                      110 130 315301050 62
                      104 130 315301050 63
                      108 130 315301050 64
                      99 130 315301050 65
                      107 130 315301050 66
                      77 130 315301050 67
                      2 130 315301050 68
                      78 130 315301050 69
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                      71 130 315301050 71
                      40 130 315301050 72
                      3 130 315301050 73
                      4 130 315301050 74
                      31 130 315301050 75
                      98 130 315301050 76
                      33 130 315301050 77
                      80 130 315301050 78
                      81 130 315301050 79
                      24 130 315301050 80
                      7 130 315301050 81
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                      86 130 315301050 83
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                      27 130 315301050 85
                      36 130 315301050 86
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                      68 130 315301050 88
                      10 130 315301050 89
                      35 130 315301050 90
                      26 130 315301050 91
                      9 130 315301050 92
                      11 130 315301050 93
                      12 130 315301050 94
                      28 130 315301050 95
                      1 130 315301050 96
                      25 130 315301050 97
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                      93 130 315301050 99
                      14 130 315301050 100
                      30 130 315301050 101
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                      13 130 315301050 103
                      32 130 315301050 104
                      19 130 315301050 105
                      29 130 315301050 106
                      17 130 315301050 107
                      15 130 315301050 108
                      18 130 315301050 109
                      114 130 315301050 110
                      6 130 315301050 111
                      22 130 315301050 112
                      20 130 315301050 113
                      21 130 315301050 114

                      = 19 x ?!

                      Did you apologize remove other table where you mindlessly flipped digits to make your idol gv a multiple?

                      Rashad
                      =505
                      505381=19x26599

                      Not divisible by 7 and let's apply it to...

                      (the ignorant) (Bahman)

                      381 130315301050 254050 = 19 x 20059490279002644950

                      In your discovery word nineteen (and you must help him) has wrong value ?

                      Lastly, no one knows the order of revelation especially the last chapter according to some was ch 110, while others last verse revealed was on Kalala inheritance 4176 while others say it was 53 This day, I have perfected your religion for you...

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                        Even though Rashad Khalifa's translation is correct and the one I use, I'm not using it this time for the sole purpose that nobody here can claim translation bias. So, I used Marmaduke Pickthall.

                        Marmaduke Pickhall Translation

                        Those who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters could not have left off (erring) till the clear proof came unto them,
                        A messenger from Allah, READING PURIFIED PAGES
                        Containing correct scriptures.
                        Nor were the People of the Scripture divided UNTIL AFTER the clear proof came unto them.
                        And they are ordered naught else than to serve Allah, keeping religion pure for Him, as men by nature upright, and to establish worship and to pay the poor-due. That is true religion.

                        It is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not dispute until AFTER the clear proof (of the Quran) was revealed to them. Since, Muhammad did not come with any miracles, we know the proof must refer to the Quranic initials and the math miracle. As well, 982 says it is a Messenger of GOD that is reading these now 'purified pages'. Now, you cannot purify something that is already pure. Therefore, the Quran was corrupted at some time after the death of Prophet Muhammad. Tarnished with the 2 false verses (9128-129). Since, there verse says 'purified pages', we know the false verses would have to be removed. Otherwise, it is still not pure. These verses are very clear. Furthermore, the Arabic word for 'Proof' (Bayyinah) is mentioned 19 times in the Quran.

                        Do you know what `Elleyyeen' is?
                        A numerically structured book.
                        To be witnessed by those close to Me.

                        Peace

                        t is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not dispute until AFTER the clear proof (of the

                        And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe. 1664

                        ( What do u say to this verse? who received the book to show the things they differenciated in ? Mohamed or Khalifa ? this verse show that mohamed 's book is the book that show's what they differentiates a, and prouve khalifa as an imposter, trying to take the role of a prophet. don't u think so ? or u still don't believe it is the book that show the difference, as revealed to ptophet mohamed !!!

                        Since, Muhammad did not come with any miracles,
                        The quran isn't enaugh for u to say that mohamed came with a great miracle which is called the QURAN ? how come u say mohamed didn't come with any miracle? don't u know that the quran is a miracle book, or u can't see it ? ?

                        we know the proof must refer to the Quranic initials and the math miracle.
                        This is your interpretation, and u can only prouve it as an evidence if u prouve from the quran that the letters and math miracle are in the quran, it has to be prouven from the quran, and not interpretation of a free mind. as u can say about the 1st sourah ever descended on the prophet, it has to be a sourah or verses that are telling him you are a messenger or WAKE UP AND WARN .

                        As well, 982 says it is a Messenger of GOD that is reading these now 'purified pages'.
                        I agree with you , the quran is pure pages, the messenger of god was reading purified pages and not satanic pages. it is clear

                        Now, you cannot purify something that is already pure.
                        Of course, the pure is pure, and god said he's gonna protect and preserve the quran since the verse of preserving the quran came down on his messenger, unless god failed and needed a human to save the face, god did preserve the quran because he said so.

                        Therefore, the Quran was corrupted at some time after the death of Prophet Muhammad.
                        When ? prouve it ? and prouve it from the quran, not from the hadith, remember hadiths are satanic so don't follow them.

                        Tarnished with the 2 false verses (9128-129).
                        if this is true, than bukhari is the messenger of god , because he warned of these two verses and wanted to purify them, he couldn't , the quran stayed the quran, another one tried, his name is rashad , but rashad also couldn't, becaus ethe quran stayed the quran, never been changed, even bukhari couldn't change it, and trust me, bukhari is way stronger than rashad, he had all persia behind him and couldn't insert anything in the ARABIC quran, they did it though is some " purified pages" in persian to suit their belief.

                        Since, there verse says 'purified pages', we know the false verses
                        Did u do your research ? or you are just a follower of what people say ?

                        would have to be removed. Otherwise, it is still not pure.
                        Even if you don't like it, the quran is pure, and will always be, and I don't think u can or rashad or bukhari ever corrupt it .

                        One question, is the translation of rashad , actually the Quran????

                        These verses are very clear. Furthermore, the Arabic word for 'Proof' (Bayyinah) is mentioned 19 times in the Quran.
                        yeah,the clear proof of the quran , prouves that mohamed was a messenger from god, his book testifie, it is clear, he reads pure pages, like moses and abraham, SOUHOUFI IBRAHIMA WA MOUSSA, didn't need code19 to be purified pages .

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                          Bahman
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                          That table is STUPID and you are (the ignorant) !

                          5 130 315301050 1
                          ...................
                          = 19 x ?!

                          Eid laugh7431

                          This table bothers you too much but it is very interesting IF you new finding in table works with any 9 digit or may be multiple of 9 and other digits , it could be another Miracle found by you and make that challenge more complicated, you or any body else do a favor as it is not easy for me to change 114 those 9 digits which explains you when you look at the mirror laugh
                          Yes please find out if any other 9 digits works.
                          Thank you for help.

                          Did you apologize remove other table where you mindlessly flipped digits to make your idol gv a multiple?

                          Which table ? do mean my discovery in here
                          http//y19.net/Rashad.htm
                          There are million Rashad but on Dr. Rashad Khalidah was trusted by God to reveal secret of 7430

                          Lastly, no one knows the order of revelation especially the last chapter according to some was ch 110, while others last verse revealed was on Kalala inheritance 4176 while others say it was 53 This day, I have perfected your religion for you...

                          You are right and Rashad did not know too but he designed that table without knowing that such complicated Miracle is embedded inside it but he was sure of his table when in appendix 24 clearly claims that table is right and then he wrote those numbers on every chapter of his translation.

                          You can gather whole world Mohammedans scholars and guess about orders which was burnt with Original Quran but nobody can desig such table unless by support and inspiration of superhuman.
                          We have talked about it lot and wasting time of readers, you design one from scratch as i have asked you or stop making noise which poeple are tiring from it , go do your home work and design then come back when you done
                          This topic is about translation of one word, if you know good Arabic then insert it and please all members in this topic stay away from other issues. only translate one word

                          A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                            Bahman
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                            Yeah, i thaught u do speak arabic, sorry, this explanation very logic and makes perfect sense about moukataates. I will translate it to english, peace

                            Peace
                            Even if I know Arabic but many readers do not know and we have to respect their right too, if the article is about this topic welcome but if not please post it in another topic.
                            the topic here is to insert the meaning of one word in English translation

                            A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.
                            Peace

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                              Bahman
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                              t is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not

                              Please move your topic to realted one this thirs time I am asking you.
                              I f you know good Arabic hel us to find right word for following
                              A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                                Salaam Bahman,

                                Peace
                                So have you ever study and search why Original was burnt?
                                or it has not been important for you?
                                Peace

                                Brother, I did not understand what you mean? What burning has to do with 381? Can you please explain?

                                Did you find what I was saying about 381?

                                Sorry for so many ???

                                Salaam
                                May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                Mohammed M. Khan

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Just insert your own translation

                                  Let me try inshaAllah.

                                  381

                                  381 And when Allah took a covenant from the prophets For what I have given you of Book and wisdom, then a/any messenger will come to you certified what is with you. You will believe in him and support him. He said Do you testify, and agree to that burden? They said We testify. He said Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.

                                  Some simple question from the above

                                  1- What means "then a/any messenger will come TO YOU"?

                                  2- What means "certified what is WITH YOU"?

                                  3- What means "you will believe in HIM and SUPPORT HIM"? How?

                                  And also what do you mean by the same word i.e., 'Musaddiqun' in 289 and 2101?

                                  May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
                                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                                    mmkhan
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                                    Do your translation please then we talk about 381
                                    A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

                                    Do you want me to translate ALR? Sorry, I don't know what it means, but the whole aayat could be translated as

                                    101
                                    101 ALR, these are the signs of the Book of wisdom.

                                    May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                                      Bahman
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                                      Salaam Bahman,

                                      Brother, I did not understand what you mean? What burning has to do with 381? Can you please explain?

                                      Did you find what I was saying about 381?

                                      Sorry for so many ??? )

                                      Salaam
                                      May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

                                      Peace
                                      Because translation of those verse ended to find secret of 730 and rasha claim for 381.
                                      No code no 381 because the person in 381 has to proof divinity of Quran.
                                      Peace

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                                        First open your eyes, and remove (letters) so that you could perceive what has alredy been narrated in detail, and may be, if you know a little bit of Arabic, you might notice how stupid and cheat was Rashad Khalifa that he deliberately forgot that a singular demonstrative pronoun does not refer back to something plural-three consonants.

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                                          Bahman
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                                          Let me try inshaAllah.

                                          381

                                          381 And when Allah took a covenant from the prophets For what I have given you of Book and wisdom, then a/any messenger will come to you certified what is with you. You will believe in him and support him. He said Do you testify, and agree to that burden? They said We testify. He said Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.

                                          Some simple question from the above

                                          1- What means "then a/any messenger will come TO YOU"?

                                          "Then" means later and is is EMPHASIZED by "Will come"
                                          TO YOU
                                          Me and you read and resite the mesaage not prophet when Made covenant with all prophets including prophet Mohammed.

                                          2- What means "certified what is WITH YOU"?

                                          Certifify, confirm, verify, fr anybody intersted to read Quran

                                          3- What means "you will believe in HIM and SUPPORT HIM"? How?

                                          You is me and you or anybody read Quran to support such person with such task,duty, by spreading information and aware people of new Miracle for this era,

                                          And also what do you mean by the same word i.e., 'Musaddiqun' in 289 and 2101?

                                          My Arabic is not at level to anlyze the words but this on is easy as we use use in Fari too/

                                          Mossadeq
                                          To matches original
                                          Tasdiq
                                          certified the originality
                                          Sadeq
                                          showing reality and orioginality.

                                          and now see what Rashad says

                                          The Quran Consummates All Scriptures
                                          When this scripture came to them from GOD, and even though it agrees with, and confirms what they have, and even though they used to prophesy its advent when they talked with the disbelievers, when their own prophecy came to pass, they disbelieved therein. GOD's condemnation thus afflicts the disbelievers.

                                          Miserable indeed is what they sold their souls for - rejecting these revelations of GOD out of sheer resentment that GOD should bestow His grace upon whomever He chooses from among His servants. Consequently, they incurred wrath upon wrath. The disbelievers have incurred a humiliating retribution.

                                          When they are told, "You shall believe in these revelations of GOD," they say, "We believe only in what was sent down to us." Thus, they disbelieve in subsequent revelations, even if it is the truth from their Lord, and even though it confirms what they have! Say, "Why then did you kill GOD's prophets, if you were believers?"

                                          One of the most discussed and argued issue which has been pondered many times is incidents and stories that we find almost same in previous scriptures which Christain and Jews claim it is forged fro their book and even God say to prophet you did not read any before but they say he was grown up in church up to early years and some says he was hearing this story and repeated.
                                          Before my conversion I was joking that neither have a solid proof for doing Tasdiq to confirm that their book is Mossadeq ans is word of God.
                                          But now I believ Quran is words of God and everything there unles 19-128-129 are word of him and by Code 19 all misspelling and manipulation by scriber are corrected in here.
                                          and
                                          Such imitation has no value without Miracle )

                                          and Rashad write about

                                          Now that a messenger from GOD has come to them, and even though he proves and confirms their own scripture, some followers of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) disregard GOD's scripture behind their backs, as if they never had any scripture.

                                          *2101 God's Messenger of the Covenant is prophesied in the Old Testament (Malachi 31-3), the New Testament (Luke 1722-37), and this Final Testament (381).

                                          and then another messages says

                                          God's Messenger of the Covenant*

                                          Now that it is too late, they remember! An enlightening messenger had come to them.

                                          But they turned away from him, saying, "Well educated, but crazy!"

                                          We will relieve the retribution for awhile; you will soon revert.

                                          The day we strike the big stroke, we will avenge.

                                          We have tested before them the people of Pharaoh; an honorable messenger went to them.

                                          Proclaiming "Listen to me, servants of GOD. I am an honest messenger to you."


                                          *4410 Only two signs are yet to be fulfilled, this smoke and Gog and Magog (Appendix 25).
                                          *4413 The sum of sura and verse numbers (44+13) is 57, 19x3, and this Quranic code was proclaimed by God's Messenger of the Covenant (Appendices 1, 2 , & 26).

                                          Peace

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