Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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Dear Antibhondo,
Actually, you are wrong. The Quran does command us to follow in the footsteps and way of Abraham
395 Say ?God bears truth. Follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists.?
4125 And who is better in the system than the one who submits himself to God, and he is a good doer, and he follows the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And God took Abraham as a friend.
But more importantly, the way of Abraham as defined in the Quran is "monotheism" and not a particular walk or style or words...
As for your second point, you seem to insist on elevating Mohammed to a status that God forbids us to give any prophet.
Mohammed was messenger like others before him (3144).
Without the message of God, Mohammed is nothing but a man like other men...
Therefore, the following and obeying of the messenger is in following and obeying the message he was privileged to deliver - that is the love of God.
Good point.
The reason why some Musims tend to elevate Muhamamd to divine status is to seperate themselves from jews and Christian due to sectarian rivalries. But you are right, its the faith in the message thats important not the messenger.
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Still, it is not a mere messenger as the one who brings the post and doesn't know what is in it. Muhammad did know the message and he was also a poster for it. And delivering a message to the whole of Humanity in a certain way is part of the message. The message that God took good care that everybody got the message. Deivering it entailed to be able to loose it, have it falsified, defaced, erased.
No it is not justified to give Muhammad the standing christians give Jesus, but I do think that he did a most glorious feat and he did show a great goodness in it. The results say so. You and I and anybody have today a Qur'an we can refer back to any time. We do not depend on any man or institution being good to us and dispensing some little wisdom...
I do not think there is anything wrong with loving Muhammad or with loving any persn who may have existed previously and from whom we learn things and somehow love and understand and identify with. It is a helpt from God. It is an emotional and spiritual support, companionship in a way, companionship with the whole of humanity since its beginnings.
Salaam
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Layth
Without the message of God, Mohammed is nothing but a man like other men..
Should remember he was chosen for the message to be delivered and not only to deliver but to practically implement it successfully; the most important task you may have skipped. Therefore he is NO ordinary man but the Chosen one the SEAL.
Huruf
Still, it is not a mere messenger as the one who brings the post and doesn't know what is in it. Muhammad did know the message and he was also a poster for it. And delivering a message to the whole of Humanity in a certain way is part of the message. The message that God took good care that everybody got the message. Deivering it entailed to be able to loose it, have it falsified, defaced, erased.
No it is not justified to give Muhammad the standing christians give Jesus, but I do think that he did a most glorious feat and he did show a great goodness in it. The results say so. You and I and anybody have today a Qur'an we can refer back to any time. We do not depend on any man or institution being good to us and dispensing some little wisdom...
Some excellent points in above paragraphs.
Bigmo
But you are right, its the faith in the message thats important not the messenger.
That is simply a misleading statement. How can a message earn a respect if it is to be delivered by a person who is drunk, steals, embezzles,lies,and lives a life for himself. The messenger is the most important part of the system that Allah has made to listen to his commands and implement it.
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Dear Rajah,
I suppose it is inevitable that each nation gets obsessed with their messenger (405).
Mohammed is a man - who happened to be chosen by God to deliver His message. God could have chosen a guy called "Adnan" and we would see the same tape being played out with people "praising Adnan" and talking about how great he is and how they want to love him and think about him all the time...
Call me selfish, but I am concerned about saving my own neck and that of my family...The last thing I really care about is the fate of x or y messenger whom I know have already made the cut and are guaranteed heaven by virtue of them being chosen - great for them.
Let's all not get distracted with the medium and keep focus on the source
1035 Say ?Are there any of those whom you set up as partners who can guide to the truth?? Say ?God guides to the truth. Is He who guides to the truth more worthy of being followed, or he who does not guide except after he is guided? What is wrong with you, how do you judge??
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Dear Antibhondo,
Actually, you are wrong. The Quran does command us to follow in the footsteps and way of Abraham
395 Say ?God bears truth. Follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists.?
4125 And who is better in the system than the one who submits himself to God, and he is a good doer, and he follows the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And God took Abraham as a friend.
But more importantly, the way of Abraham as defined in the Quran is "monotheism" and not a particular walk or style or words...
Brother Layth
Thank you for presenting the Ayats. See?You are not commanded to follow Abraham. You are to follow the creed of Abraham.
What do you see in the ayats regarding following Muhammad (sm)?
Following The creed of the messenger? Following what the messenger followed? No brother, this is a direct command to follow the messenger.
As for your second point, you seem to insist on elevating Mohammed to a status that God forbids us to give any prophet.
It was a very interesting comment of you. All I mentioned were ayats of Quran. I just reiterate all those in my words. Please carefully read the following and detect what I said wrong
a) Allah's command to follow Muhammad (sm) is so strict that HE tagged our love for him with whether we follow Muhammad (sm) {{331 Say, "If you love God then follow/obey me so God will love you and forgive your sins." God is Forgiver, Compassionate.}}---Translated by Edip-Layth.
This ayat indicates that if we do not follow Muhammad (sm), then that will make the meaning that WE DO NOT LOVE ALLAH. In other words, If we say that we love Allah, but do not follow Muhammad (sm), then our "love" is not real love, and will not be granted to Allah.
b) Moreover, Allah made it a condition for guidance {{2454>> If you follow/obey him, you will be guided}}.
The indication is clear. If you do not follow Muhammad (sm), you will not be guided.
Is there any other Messengers and Prophets, revelations and books etc., whom Allah has commanded us to follow? And is there any other Messengers and Prophets, revelations and books etc., with whom Allah has tagged His love, or guidance ?
I do not know what to tell you. Allah has said something in the QURAN, and you are telling me that by saying that particular things, Allah has elevated Muhammad (sm) to such a level that he himself forbids us to give any prophet???????????
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Salaam,
Please allow me to interfere.
a) Allah's command to follow Muhammad (sm) is so strict that HE tagged our love for him with whether we follow Muhammad (sm) {{331 Say, "If you love God then follow/obey me so God will love you and forgive your sins." God is Forgiver, Compassionate.}}---Translated by Edip-Layth.
This ayat indicates that if we do not follow Muhammad (sm), then that will make the meaning that WE DO NOT LOVE ALLAH. In other words, If we say that we love Allah, but do not follow Muhammad (sm), then our "love" is not real love, and will not be granted to Allah.
b) Moreover, Allah made it a condition for guidance {{2454>> If you follow/obey him, you will be guided}}.
The indication is clear. If you do not follow Muhammad (sm), you will not be guided.
Is there any other Messengers and Prophets, revelations and books etc., whom Allah has commanded us to follow? And is there any other Messengers and Prophets, revelations and books etc., with whom Allah has tagged His love, or guidance ?
Brother, both the aayaats are misquoted.
Firstly there is NO mentioned of Prophet Mohammeds'(AS) name in any of the aayats above as 395 and 4125 mentioned Prophet Ibrahim (AS)
Secondly, please take a close look at 331, and let me know whom this "Qul" is referring to?
If you say "Qul" is referring to Prophet Mohammed (AS) then all "Quls" of AlQuraan is referring to him alone.
Like "Qul huwa Allahu ahad", that means only Prophet Mohammed (AS) can say?Another IF that "Qul" in 331 is referring to Prophet Mohammed only, then whom the "Qul" is referring to 332?
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332331 Say If you love Allah then follow me so Allah will love you and forgive your sins. Allah is Forgiver, Merciful.
332 Say Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, then Allah does not love the rejecters.May Allah guide us all to His path pr
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Salaam,
Please allow me to interfere.
Brother, both the aayaats are misquoted.
Firstly there is NO mentioned of Prophet Mohammeds'(AS) name in any of the aayats above as 395 and 4125 mentioned Prophet Ibrahim (AS)
Secondly, please take a close look at 331, and let me know whom this "Qul" is referring to?
If you say "Qul" is referring to Prophet Mohammed (AS) then all "Quls" of AlQuraan is referring to him alone.
Like "Qul huwa Allahu ahad", that means only Prophet Mohammed (AS) can say?Another IF that "Qul" in 331 is referring to Prophet Mohammed only, then whom the "Qul" is referring to 332?
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332331 Say If you love Allah then follow me so Allah will love you and forgive your sins. Allah is Forgiver, Merciful.
332 Say Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, then Allah does not love the rejecters.May Allah guide us all to His path pr
Mohammed M. KhanBrother Mohammed M. Khan
Assalamu Alaikum.Is there anywhere written that when a word is used in a book many times that word must have bear only one meaning in every place they are used?
What about the words for Quran? Do you have any reference for that?
Read carefully the 2454; it is obvious that the qul is to the man to whom the ayats have been revealed.
332 clarifies the qul in 331.
332 Say, "Obey God and the messenger.
331 Say, "If you love God then follow me.Look carefully.
Thank you.
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Dear Rajah,
I suppose it is inevitable that each nation gets obsessed with their messenger (405).
Mohammed is a man - who happened to be chosen by God to deliver His message. God could have chosen a guy called "Adnan" and we would see the same tape being played out with people "praising Adnan" and talking about how great he is and how they want to love him and think about him all the time...
Salaam Layth,
I respect your stand for monotheism. We find rare Arabs who do not elevate Muhammad peace is upon him higher than what Allah has, you are one of those rares I guess. Yes Muhammad is a man but chosen one, it was not Adnan who was chosen it was Muhammad peace is upon him and his qualities are different from any ordinary person and I am sure he or other messengers were not chosen by pick and chose game at random or by a lottery, there was hard work, toil , mediation, sacrifices which ordinary people even won't think of. Therefore all respect is due to all the messengers of Allah and Muhammad peace is upon him.Layth
1035 Say ?Are there any of those whom you set up as partners who can guide to the truth?? Say ?God guides to the truth. Is He who guides to the truth more worthy of being followed, or he who does not guide except after he is guided? What is wrong with you, how do you judge??
No I am not setting any partners over here it is different, Muhammad peace is upon him was the greatest Monotheist and we follow him as per command of Allah.
antibhondo bravo
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Brother Raaajah
Assalamu Alaikum.
Thank you.
By the way, Brother Layth,
what did you want to make by mentioning 405?405 is Before they, the people of Noah denied and the opponents after them. Every nation plotted against their messenger to seize him, and they disputed by means of falsehood to defeat with it the truth. So I seized them; how then was My punishment!
How does this ayat give you the impression that {{each nation gets obsessed with their messenger }}?
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Wa Alaikum Salaam wa Rahmath Allah,
Brother Mohammed M. Khan
Assalamu Alaikum.Is there anywhere written that when a word is used in a book many times that word must have bear only one meaning in every place they are used?
What about the words for Quran? Do you have any reference for that?
AlQuraan is the word of Allah and sent for the guidance, if its words has more than one meaning then it cannot guide to the path of Allah, but everyone can extract the meaning that suites their understanding.
Read carefully the 2454; it is obvious that the qul is to the man to whom the ayats have been revealed.
If it is so then why not ME is said instead of AlRasool same as in 331
If "Qul" is for AlRasool then it will be said "Ati Allaha wa Ati-oon" instead of "Ati Allah wa Ati AlRasool"
332 clarifies the qul in 331.
332 Say, "Obey God and the messenger.
331 Say, "If you love God then follow me.Look carefully.
As per your suggestion I looked carefully and found the same answer as per the above
May Allah open our hearts to accept the truth and guide us all on His path pr
Mohammed M. KhanNote Brother, if you are a sincere and honest truth seeker, then don't ignore what you see as truth, otherwise you will be away from the guidance. I don't ask you to follow me, but I ask you to follow what Allah is showing you. And IF you don't understand the truth, then please ask Allah for help and guidance for the TRUE path ONLY.
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Wa Alaikum Salaam wa Rahmath Allah,
AlQuraan is the word of Allah and sent for the guidance, if its words has more than one meaning then it cannot guide to the path of Allah, but everyone can extract the meaning that suites their understanding.
Did you heard the word Ahl-al-Kitab in Quran?
So, are all Al-Kitab expressing the same meaning "Al-Quran"?
NO.
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Salaam;
Regarding the opening post, that is why I add (SAW) each time I mention Muhammad ((SAW)). We should respect the Messengers since they were chosen by Allah (SWT) for an important task. Remember it talks about Messengers and not the men themselves (i.e. we don't pray them simply because they are named Ibrahim or Muhammad, and then we have to look at the root word to see if it means "praise" (since that all belongs to Allah (SWT)). Either way, it amounts to showing respect for Messengers and supporting them, not religiously venerating them.
Peace.
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Salaam bro MesMorial,
Salaam;
Regarding the opening post, that is why I add (SAW) each time I mention Muhammad ((SAW)). We should respect the Messengers since they were chosen by Allah (SWT) for an important task. Remember it talks about Messengers and not the men themselves (i.e. we don't pray them simply because they are named Ibrahim or Muhammad, and then we have to look at the root word to see if it means "praise" (since that all belongs to Allah (SWT)). Either way, it amounts to showing respect for Messengers and supporting them, not religiously venerating them.
This is the not the way Allah asked us to respect His messengers by saying (SAW). You have to look at the aayaats for how to respect them.
If you want to say/write something with their names then please say (AS) instead of (SAW). Please look at the aayaats below for the same.
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37793778 And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779 Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.37108
3710937108 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109 Peace be upon Abraham.37119
3712037119 And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120 Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.37129
3713037129 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130 Peace be upon the family of Elias.37181
3718237181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And the praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
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To turn any profoundity into mundanity, make a ritual out of it.
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Salaam bro MesMorial,
This is the not the way Allah asked us to respect His messengers by saying (SAW). You have to look at the aayaats for how to respect them.
If you want to say/write something with their names then please say (AS) instead of (SAW). Please look at the aayaats below for the same.
3778
37793778 And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779 Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.37108
3710937108 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109 Peace be upon Abraham.37119
3712037119 And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120 Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.37129
3713037129 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130 Peace be upon the family of Elias.37181
3718237181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And the praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. KhanDoesn't "SAW" mean PBUH which is what is in those ayat?
Peace.
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Salaam bro MesMorial,
This is the not the way Allah asked us to respect His messengers by saying (SAW). You have to look at the aayaats for how to respect them.
If you want to say/write something with their names then please say (AS) instead of (SAW). Please look at the aayaats below for the same.
3778
37793778 And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779 Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.37108
3710937108 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109 Peace be upon Abraham.37119
3712037119 And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120 Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.37129
3713037129 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130 Peace be upon the family of Elias.37181
3718237181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And the praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. KhanI didn't know we're suppose to say PBUH of respect and as in the quran, i was doubting this, i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door
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Salaaman MesMorial,
Doesn't "SAW" mean PBUH which is what is in those ayat?
Peace.
nope
As you said above, do you see any relation between "SAW" and "PBUH"?
No letter is matching and SAW is the pastense of SEE - LOL
OK, then how will you translate SAW brother? Just translate and see.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
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Salaaman LB13,
I didn't know we're suppose to say PBUH of respect and as in the quran, i was doubting this, i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door
thank u for these ayatsYou are welcome bro. We all are students of AlQuraan/AlKitaab, we have a learn till our last breath.
"i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door" LOL
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2143 And as such, We have made you a balanced nation so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you. And We did not make the focal point that you became on except to distinguish who follows the messenger from those who will turn on their heels. It was a great thing indeed except for those whom Allah had guided; Allah was not to waste your belief. Allah is Merciful and Compassionate over the people.
I understand that we have to be moderate/balanced as per AlQuraan/AlKitaab. That means to me that what others do cannot be 100% wrong. But we don't have to see them as we already have AlKitaab to ponder upon. So, our practices may tally with others/non believers.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
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i was doubting this, i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door
thank u for these ayatsWhen some one reaches at the conclusion you have reached I feel extremely relieved.
mmkhan
I understand that we have to be moderate/balanced as per AlQuraan/AlKitaab. That means to me that what others do cannot be 100% wrong. But we don't have to see them as we already have AlKitaab to ponder upon. So, our practices may tally with others/non believers.
I agree with you that some practices may tally, because the source is the same, but after having Quran they have to follow it and we have to follow it, simple.
