Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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Salaam;
Regarding the opening post, that is why I add (SAW) each time I mention Muhammad ((SAW)). We should respect the Messengers since they were chosen by Allah (SWT) for an important task. Remember it talks about Messengers and not the men themselves (i.e. we don't pray them simply because they are named Ibrahim or Muhammad, and then we have to look at the root word to see if it means "praise" (since that all belongs to Allah (SWT)). Either way, it amounts to showing respect for Messengers and supporting them, not religiously venerating them.
Peace.
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Salaam bro MesMorial,
Salaam;
Regarding the opening post, that is why I add (SAW) each time I mention Muhammad ((SAW)). We should respect the Messengers since they were chosen by Allah (SWT) for an important task. Remember it talks about Messengers and not the men themselves (i.e. we don't pray them simply because they are named Ibrahim or Muhammad, and then we have to look at the root word to see if it means "praise" (since that all belongs to Allah (SWT)). Either way, it amounts to showing respect for Messengers and supporting them, not religiously venerating them.
This is the not the way Allah asked us to respect His messengers by saying (SAW). You have to look at the aayaats for how to respect them.
If you want to say/write something with their names then please say (AS) instead of (SAW). Please look at the aayaats below for the same.
3778
37793778 And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779 Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.37108
3710937108 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109 Peace be upon Abraham.37119
3712037119 And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120 Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.37129
3713037129 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130 Peace be upon the family of Elias.37181
3718237181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And the praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
To turn any profoundity into mundanity, make a ritual out of it.
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Salaam bro MesMorial,
This is the not the way Allah asked us to respect His messengers by saying (SAW). You have to look at the aayaats for how to respect them.
If you want to say/write something with their names then please say (AS) instead of (SAW). Please look at the aayaats below for the same.
3778
37793778 And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779 Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.37108
3710937108 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109 Peace be upon Abraham.37119
3712037119 And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120 Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.37129
3713037129 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130 Peace be upon the family of Elias.37181
3718237181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And the praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. KhanDoesn't "SAW" mean PBUH which is what is in those ayat?
Peace.
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Salaam bro MesMorial,
This is the not the way Allah asked us to respect His messengers by saying (SAW). You have to look at the aayaats for how to respect them.
If you want to say/write something with their names then please say (AS) instead of (SAW). Please look at the aayaats below for the same.
3778
37793778 And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779 Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.37108
3710937108 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109 Peace be upon Abraham.37119
3712037119 And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120 Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.37129
3713037129 And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130 Peace be upon the family of Elias.37181
3718237181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And the praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. KhanI didn't know we're suppose to say PBUH of respect and as in the quran, i was doubting this, i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door
thank u for these ayats -
Salaaman MesMorial,
Doesn't "SAW" mean PBUH which is what is in those ayat?
Peace.
nope
As you said above, do you see any relation between "SAW" and "PBUH"?
No letter is matching and SAW is the pastense of SEE - LOL
OK, then how will you translate SAW brother? Just translate and see.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman LB13,
I didn't know we're suppose to say PBUH of respect and as in the quran, i was doubting this, i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door
thank u for these ayatsYou are welcome bro. We all are students of AlQuraan/AlKitaab, we have a learn till our last breath.
"i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door" LOL
2143
2143 And as such, We have made you a balanced nation so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you. And We did not make the focal point that you became on except to distinguish who follows the messenger from those who will turn on their heels. It was a great thing indeed except for those whom Allah had guided; Allah was not to waste your belief. Allah is Merciful and Compassionate over the people.
I understand that we have to be moderate/balanced as per AlQuraan/AlKitaab. That means to me that what others do cannot be 100% wrong. But we don't have to see them as we already have AlKitaab to ponder upon. So, our practices may tally with others/non believers.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
i was doubting this, i keep saying mohamed or abraham as if they were people next door
thank u for these ayatsWhen some one reaches at the conclusion you have reached I feel extremely relieved.
mmkhan
I understand that we have to be moderate/balanced as per AlQuraan/AlKitaab. That means to me that what others do cannot be 100% wrong. But we don't have to see them as we already have AlKitaab to ponder upon. So, our practices may tally with others/non believers.
I agree with you that some practices may tally, because the source is the same, but after having Quran they have to follow it and we have to follow it, simple.
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Salaam Raaajah,
mmkhan
I agree with you that some practices may tally, because the source is the same, but after having Quran they have to follow it and we have to follow it, simple.Thanks. May Allah be praised
May Allah guide us all towards His path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam Asana,
Peace M.Khan
Could you please tell me who sends salam to Messengers/Prophets in the verses quoted in your post 498?
I?m asking you this because I disagree with your interpretation/understanding for its utterance. Thanks.
Asana
Answer to your question is already in the aayaats as
Hope you find the answer, and please let me know why you disagree and what you understand from the aayaats given.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
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Salam M.Khan
Answer to your question is already in the aayaats as
You admit that the verses are referring to God who sends Salam on His Messengers.
As I?m sure you know we are commanded to greet people/believers with Salam which is from God as stated in
2461When you enter any home, you shall greet each other a greeting from GOD that is blessed and good. GOD thus explains the revelations for you, that you may understand.
2427-O you who believe, do not enter homes other than yours without permission from their inhabitants, and without greeting them. This is better for you, that you may take heed.
486-When greeted with a greeting, you shall respond with a better greeting or at least an equal one. GOD reckons all things.
And uttering peace/salam when the ignorant speaks
2563-The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.
And proof that salam/peace is coming from God.
3658-Greetings of peace from a Most Merciful Lord.
No where in the Quran we are commanded sending peace/salam on dead people.
I know some people use the following verses to justify their utterance but the verses are not commanding us to say peace to messengers
37181-Peace be upon the messengers.
2759-Say, "Praise be to GOD and peace be upon His servants whom He chose. Is GOD better, or the idols some people set up?"
In 37181 again God sends Salam on messengers ?.And in 27181 it?s acknowledgment of peace from God on His chosen servants in light of the following verses;
2047-"Go to him and say, `We are two messengers from your Lord. Let the Children of Israel go. You must refrain from persecuting them. We bring a sign from your Lord, and peace is the lot of those who heed the guidance.
1010-Their prayer therein is "Be You glorified, our god," their greeting therein is, "Peace," and their ultimate prayer is "Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe."
Asana
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Asana
No where in the Quran we are commanded sending peace/salam on dead people.
Do you recite Quran? if you do how do you skip the verses mentioned by mmkhan? when you recite those verses you automatically say Salaam to whom you think are dead!
How can a dead body be witness to his people?
Do you understand that it is only mutation that takes place from one phase to another?
What is the day of judgment? Who will be present there?We will raise you into a form of which you have not the slightest knowledge. Surah Al-Waqiah 62
After the mutation takes place we are in different world of which we have no slightest knowledge, but some pretaining to be more knowledgeable than Allah say the Prophets are dead, In my point of view even an ordinary person is alive what to say about prophets.
Your first creation and your second creation will be identical. Surah Luqman
"Say 'The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly)
take your souls. Then shall you be brought back to your Lord."
Surah-Al-SajdahTo those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle Such is Our reward for those in sin. Al-araf
In death, the body remains in the ground while the soul is in the
inter space or Barzakh between the two worlds."Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, they
are with those whom Allah has blessed, the prophets, the sincere, the
martyrs and the righteous. Very excellent companions they are!"
(469)and what does Allah says about martyrs
?And do not term those who have been killed in the path of Allah as dead. In fact, they are living but you perceive not.? (Baqarah 153).
Do you understand Asana? you perceive not! Messengers are excellent companions along with martyrs and martyrs are not dead.
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Raaajah
,Do you recite Quran? if you do how do you skip the verses mentioned by mmkhan? when you recite those verses you automatically say Salaam to whom you think are dead!
I do recite Quran and studying it too!......In those verses it?s God who sends Salam on Messengers not prophet or you and I??.Salam is a greeting/salam/peace from God 3658 and other verses too like 2461...salam /peace is coming from God likewise Mercy ,God is the One who can have Mercy on us .
In Eyes of God dead are alive.,How can a dead body be witness to his people?
This is your misunderstanding and sorry to say that it?s idolatry too because if Prophet is alive and witnessing us if that?s what you meant then he?s god beside God and he?s present every where and can see everything/everybody .In that case God is not The Only Seer,Hearer.
?And do not term those who have been killed in the path of Allah as dead. In fact, they are living but you perceive not.? (Baqarah 153).
Do you understand Asana? you perceive not! Messengers are excellent companions along with martyrs and martyrs are not dead.
I should ask you, do you understand that they?re alive in Eyes of God not us because time doesn?t exist for God? Do you perceive that if they?re alive the way you perceive then why prophet doesn?t answer you back when you say Salam to him? Haven?t you read that God says response to Salam with the equal or better one? So where is prophet?s response?!
And please reflect on this verse3670-To preach to those who are alive, and to expose the disbelievers.
Quran is for preaching to alive people, meaning it?s for those who lives not the dead people that its teaching to be used.
And would you know why Prophet Jesus sends Salam on himself? I leave it to you to figure it up.
1933-And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."
Asana
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Salaam Asana,
This is your misunderstanding and sorry to say that it?s idolatry too because if Prophet is alive and witnessing us if that?s what you meant then he?s god beside God and he?s present every where and can see everything/everybody
In that case God is not The Only Seer,Hearer.Asana first please refer to this Ayt
How then if We brought from each people a witness, and We brought thee as a witness against these people! Surah Nisaa
Secondly if a creation of Allah has some of attributes of Allah how can he be called Allah?
Allah is "Khaliq" people invent various things everyday.
Allah is Musawar people paint.
Allah sees and hears, newly developed google satellite for military can do that, even if we are hiding in a cave.
Prophets can part the river are they Allah?
Allah knows what is in the belly of women?
Medical science can tell that through genetic engineering and ultra sound.I no where meant that the prophet is present every where and can see every thing and every body, but till the extent Allah allows.
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I didn't read this entire thread, and I'm sure someone must have mentioned it, because it must be the simplest error to put back.
"All praise is to God" - Al-Fatiha...
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Salam Rajaaah
,How then if We brought from each people a witness, and We brought thee as a witness against these people! Surah Nisaa
The whole verse is
Thus, when the day (of judgment) comes, we will call upon a witness from each community, and you (the messenger) will serve as a witness among these people.
Witnessing happens on Judgment Day and it?s not only Prophet Mohammad who would serve as witness to his people but all the messengers/prophets as the verse teaches.
The verse doesn?t teach that prophet or any other prophets for that matter would serve as a witness in what we have done in their absence. The reason they serve as witness is related to testify what they delivered to his people/ us .The point is clear in below verse;The day will come when we raise from every community a witness, then those who disbelieved will not be permitted (to speak), nor will they be excused.
Believing is in regard/related to the message of God that they were raised/chosen to deliver it not as a person?..Messengers of God without Message are an ordinary person?.the whole point of believing in them is for the messages that they carried/delivered to us??.They would testify that they only delivered what they were told by God not some thing like Hadith&sunna/man made laws etc.
Here are the verses that remind us what prophet?s mission was and for that he would testify to it as a witness
619-Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "GOD's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside GOD." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
Other verses which shed light on what was said are in below
5116-GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.
5117-"I told them only what You commanded me to say, that `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.
And following verses too confirm how prophet serves as witness on Judgment Day.
We thus made you an impartial community, that you may serve as witnesses among the people, and the messenger serves as a witness among you?.
The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.
??... Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
O prophet, we have sent you as a witness, a bearer of good news, as well as a warner.
,Secondly if a creation of Allah has some of attributes of Allah how can he be called Allah?
My impression of witnessing as you wrote was that prophet can hear you although he?s dead therefore must be every where that can .BTW what?s got witnessing to do with hearing your salam on him? Could you please explain your concept?
,I no where meant that the prophet is present every where and can see every thing and every body, but till the extent Allah allows.
Could you please quote a verse where God teaches us He has allowed prophet to be as you mean which is unclear what you mean?
And you didn?t answer to 1933?..I?m really interested to know how you understand this verse.
Asana