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    Raaajah
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    mmkhan

    Mohammed (AS) with "peace is upon him"

    Ibrahim (AS) Huh?

    Thanks for pointing that out, actually Mazhar had once guided me to use a tab for this so I don't have to retype it again and again, which I was unable to, may be it gives me pleasure to retype every time I use name of Muhammad peace is upon him..
    But be sure dear that it is not because of disrespect of some one, When ever I talk about Hazrat Ibraheem it is with respect as Quran has told us to, will take care next time.

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      mmkhan
      Thanks for pointing that out, actually Mazhar had once guided me to use a tab for this so I don't have to retype it again and again, which I was unable to, may be it gives me pleasure to retype every time I use name of Muhammad peace is upon him..
      But be sure dear that it is not because of disrespect of some one, When ever I talk about Hazrat Ibraheem it is with respect as Quran has told us to, will take care next time.

      You are welcome

      Muhammad peace is upon him..

      Hazrat Ibraheem ???

      This really shows your love towards Mohammed (AS) only.

      2136

      2136 Say We believe in Allah and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.

      2285

      2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in Allah, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers; and they said We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny.

      4152

      4152 And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them, We will give them their recompense. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

      May Allah guide us all to the path of the Truth pr
      Mohammed M. Khan

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        mmkhan
        Thanks for pointing that out, actually Mazhar had once guided me to use a tab for this so I don't have to retype it again and again, which I was unable to, may be it gives me pleasure to retype every time I use name of Muhammad peace is upon him..
        But be sure dear that it is not because of disrespect of some one, When ever I talk about Hazrat Ibraheem it is with respect as Quran has told us to, will take care next time.

        classic example of personality cult devotee !!
        Good for you, specially after you have taken Mazhar as your "guide" !!!

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          Mazhar
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          Raaaja salam,

          It is a good read.
          ?

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            Raaaja salam,

            It is a good read.
            ?

            Why don't you dare writing your DOGS story in English? This is not an Urdu forum.

            So, I understand now that you not only take Bukhari, Muslim, ....... but you also take "Qudrat Shahaab" also for your guidance, MashaAllah.

            May Allah give you THE BEST REWARD for the same and guide us to His path. pr

            Mohammed M. Khan

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              We Quran alone muslims have no issues with dogs, so I don't mind being called one. But Mazhar, your etiquette are "commendable".

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                Mazhar
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                Do you understand what Shahab had said?

                There are many who just see a word in a text and start perceiving things and feel satisfied that they have understood what is stated therein.

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                  Mazhar

                  Do you understand what Shahab had said?

                  There are many who just see a word in a text and start perceiving things and feel satisfied that they have understood what is stated therein.

                  off course that is the difference, which makes Qudarat Ullah Shahab different from those so called Intellectuals
                  (Danishwers). If only they would have understood!
                  As I said before it only happens when a transition takes place, we start reading beneath the words.

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                    Raaajah
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                    mmkhan

                    You are welcome
                    Muhammad peace is upon him..
                    Hazrat Ibraheem Huh?

                    This really shows your love towards Mohammed (AS) only.

                    2136
                    2136 Say We believe in Allah and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.
                    2285
                    2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in Allah, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers; and they said We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny.
                    4152
                    4152 And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them, We will give them their recompense. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
                    May Allah guide us all to the path of the Truth pray
                    Mohammed M. Khan

                    You are just trying to make a storm in cup of tea! One who reads Quran is very well aware of the status of prophets.
                    Regarding ayats of Surah Nisaa read it from 50 on wards. It tells us to believe in all prophets not in some, as Jews and Christians do, but we should believe in all prophets.
                    The same message is in Surah baqra, read from 235...

                    and 2285
                    The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction between one and another of His messengers." And they say "We hear, and we obey Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.

                    Off course followers of Muhammad peace is upon him are different from Jews and Christians, one of them call Issa Peace is upon him son of a whore, and other call Muhammad peace is upon him a pedophile.
                    To us all the prophets/messengers are from Allah and Allah has raised status of some prophets over others as mentioned in Quran.

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                      To us all the prophets/messengers are from Allah and Allah has raised status of some prophets over others as mentioned in Quran.
                      Raaaja

                      Not only that, all Messengers were under an obligation to have faith in ONE Messenger of the future and were bound as per their own committment to submit to him whose qualitative trait was mentioned as being the one who would authenticate all that which was given to all of them in time and space. He is the Great in rank. Till his arrival all the humanity was under an obligation-pledge to believe in him whenever he arrives. He was the Last so the humanity is no more under any obligation to have faith in any one except him and he asked to believe in all the Messengers of the past times and spaces. Peoples of the Book, both Jews and Christians were under a pledge to believe in him. No pledge is upon us to believe in anyone after having believed in him.

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                        Raaaja

                        Not only that, all Messengers were under an obligation to have faith in ONE Messenger of the future and were bound as per their own committment to submit to him whose qualitative trait was mentioned as being the one who would authenticate all that which was given to all of them in time and space. He is the Great in rank. Till his arrival all the humanity was under an obligation-pledge to believe in him whenever he arrives. He was the Last so the humanity is no more under any obligation to have faith in any one except him and he asked to believe in all the Messengers of the past times and spaces. Peoples of the Book, both Jews and Christians were under a pledge to believe in him. No pledge is upon us to believe in anyone after having believed in him.

                        Say "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma`il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah submit." 384

                        This messenger is adressed directly to confirme the quran SAY and speak on every one, no more after him, the covenant that confirm all covenants, he is the last messenger according to this verse, for he speaks on behalf of everybody, and he confirmes all messenger by names and prophets with no names.
                        when it says SAY the verse is adressed to mohamed directly, and because we follow mohamed , so we read it as adresing us.

                        There is anopther verse that speak to us in pluriel, we are all supposed to believe in the quran theefore, we are all confirmers of the covenant

                        Say ye ( pluriel) "We believe, in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma`il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)." 2136

                        the one last messenger is important because of the eternel message, the covenant, the quran, the last message. therefore , every sect or religion following any prophet now , has to believe in the quran. therefore, the last mesenger
                        believing, is confirming

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                          Mazhar
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                          we start reading beneath the words

                          I think not beneath the words, but we should read the words of a speech with their complete perspective. Words emerge the things of beneath upon the surface for the reader and listener.

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                            Rajah, what does praising Muhammad mean to you? and how do you suppose we obey and praise Muhammad?

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                              I think that when we salute the Prophet, we salute ALL MESSENGERS AND PROPHETS, it is for something that he is called khatm annabiyin, those through whom God made a present to us of His remembrance of us, of His love and tenderness for us. Salaaming and saluting Muhammad, means NECESSARILY saluting all messengers and prophets. Prophecy is one, just as God is one. We may think and ponder and consider in particular any particular prophet, known or unknown at any given time, and for whatever reason, but inevitably if we salute Muhammad, we are saluting the seal of prophets, all of them with him, and we must not forget, he, as any other Prophet, was not a chief, but a servant of Humanity, for the sake of God, the same as all the Prophets, and being a servant is the highest spiritual standing anybody can attain, so we should feel moved, when considering him or any other Prophet, to serve, to put ourselves first and foremost at God's service, therefore at the service of His creation. It is not salute and salaam to put distance between us and the Prophets, it is salute and salaam so that we may be his companions in service. For me it is very significant that the followers of Muhammad in fact were not called followers or disciples or any other appelative implying grade, but were called companions. That is what we should always attempt, to be companions of the prophets, servants of all Humanity, even through the ages.

                              We cannot obey the Prophet, he is dead, but we can be his spiritual compannions, aspire to be that, and compannions of all the just and faithful people that went before us and attempt to be ourselves the best we can as examples for others who may come after. Why does the honourable Quran give us so many examples of good people and their struggle? That we may be inspired and moved from our hearts to be their companions. It is a beautiful inspiration. We should avail ourselves from it.

                              I must say that I find this hair splitting about the Prophet, neccessary I suppose, but like a problem that is somewhat contrived. I do not think that traditional muslims, those who do, are all that much taken in by the Prophet, I feel that more than that they are hypnotised into a fixed set of rules that find their legitimity in invoking the Prophet and think that trespassing is blasphemy and that something is going to break, but not so much for love of the Prophet but for fear of loosing the ground under their feet, because in fact they do not know the Prophet, they fear doing something that they have been conditioned, hypnotised into equeating with damnation. It is superstition as I see it, but they are not conscious that that is what it is. In a sense Muhammad is made an alibi for spiritual and moral laziness. That is my impression.

                              Salaam

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                                I think that when we salute the Prophet, we salute ALL MESSENGERS AND PROPHETS, it is for something that he is called khatm annabiyin, those through whom God made a present to us of His remembrance of us, of His love and tenderness for us. Salaaming and saluting Muhammad, means NECESSARILY saluting all messengers and prophets. Prophecy is one, just as God is one. We may think and ponder and consider in particular any particular prophet, known or unknown at any given time, and for whatever reason, but inevitably if we salute Muhammad, we are saluting the seal of prophets, all of them with him,and we must not forget, he, as any other Prophet, was not a chief, but a servant of Humanity, for the sake of God, the same as all the Prophets, and being a servant is the highest spiritual standing anybody can attain, so we should feel moved, when considering him or any other Prophet, to serve, to put ourselves first and foremost at God's service, therefore at the service of His creation. It is not salute and salaam to put distance between us and the Prophets, it is salute and salaam so that we may be his companions in service. For me it is very significant that the followers of Muhammad in fact were not called followers or disciples or any other appelative implying grade, but were called companions. That is what we should always attempt, to be companions of the prophets, servants of all Humanity, even through the ages.

                                I will only tackle the red part as it is not according to Quran; the Quran says

                                And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled He said "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers.

                                So we should know the meaning of Imam, before reaching any conclusion.

                                Go on further

                                o Dawood! surely We have made you a Khalifa in the land; so judge between men with justice and do not follow desire, lest it should lead you astray from the path of Allah; (as for) those who go astray from the path of Allah, they shall surely have a severe punishment because they forgot the day of reckoning.

                                So we should know the meaning of Khalifa

                                and further

                                O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day That is best, and most suitable for final determination.

                                The matters of dispute are brought to some one who is in authority who is a leader!

                                We cannot obey the Prophet, he is dead, but we can be his spiritual compannions, aspire to be that, and compannions of all the just and faithful people that went before us and attempt to be ourselves the best we can as examples for others who may come after. Why does the honourable Quran give us so many examples of good people and their struggle? That we may be inspired and moved from our hearts to be their companions. It is a beautiful inspiration. We should avail ourselves from it.

                                Prophet is not dead! Every soul including prophets have to taste the death, death of their body, try to understand this

                                "Truly thou wilt die , and truly they will die ."
                                Surah Al Zumar (3930)

                                Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others for a specified term. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.

                                Those souls are with Allah, the bodies are left in this world and those bodies will be returned to the soul on the day of judgment.

                                Every soul shall have taste of death;[/b.....
                                .(Surah Al-'Ankabut The Spider 2957)

                                How can a soul taste the death when it is dead? The angel takes soul to Barzakh, where it is till the final day,

                                Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.

                                Allah Ho Akbar

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                                  rajaah,

                                  ok, the prophet is not dead and is in this Barzakh till the final day. So, how do you suppose we obey the prophet now that his soul is in Barzakh?

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                                    @ Raaajah

                                    Salaam;

                                    Remember it was clearer at the time (amongst the people) for the Qur?an to say ?Obey Allah and His Messenger? than to simply say ?Obey Allah? or ?Obey what Muhammad follows?. The first is confusing without needing to explain why, and the second is silly because Muhammad (SAW) was divulging the Qur?an and thus he might be following himself! It would be redundant to say ?Obey what the Messenger follows? because the Message was being delivered by a person, and therefore we have to obey that person anyway (again he might be following himself). The Qur?an might have said ?Obey the Message? but then luckily Muhammad (SAW) is instructed to do only that in 543-50 and many other places (e.g. 7203, 1015). It is after all necessary to know exactly where that Message is coming from (saying ?Messenger? instead of ?Message? clarifies this). Ayat such as 758 explain that the Qur?an repeats ayat to help us understand it.

                                    ?O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.?

                                    59

                                    If Allah (SWT) is represented by the Qur?an and the Messenger by his interpretation of the Qur?an (ahadith), is Islam a religion authored by at least three different sources? However, after consulting those in authority we are instructed to refer disagreements to Allah and His Messenger. Thus, ?Obey Allah and obey the Messenger? must necessarily reference one source. For further information on ayat 59-65, see the notes for 2124. See also 4238 for an ayah involving community consultation. Also remember it was necessary for Allah (SWT) to specify ?obey the Messenger? so that people would know how to obey Allah (SWT) (see 480 and notes). There were at the time more ayat to come, and thus people were instructed (to be ready) to obey them (confirmed by 161). See also the notes for 331-32.

                                    To get the references, see the commentaries in my signature.

                                    Peace.

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                                      Raaajah
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                                      justamuslim

                                      Rajah, what does praising Muhammad mean to you? and how do you suppose we obey and praise Muhammad?

                                      rajaah,
                                      ok, the prophet is not dead and is in this Barzakh till the final day. So, how do you suppose we obey the prophet now that his soul is in Barzakh?

                                      We praise him day and night who ever recites Quran with understanding praises him day and night, Quran is full of that, here are few verses, it is not me, you Layth or Asana it is Allah acknowledging his moral character, raising his status, calling him best example for others.

                                      Al-Quran
                                      And indeed, you are of a great moral character.

                                      There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful.

                                      ?Soon your Lord will raise you to Mukam e Mehmood?

                                      One who obeys the Messenger has certainly obeyed God. You have not been sent to watch over those who turn away from you.

                                      The Messenger of God is certainly a good example for those of you who have hope in God and in the Day of Judgment and who remember God very often.

                                      Al-Quran (translation From Haqeeqat.org of Mazhar sahib)
                                      And when Allah obtained a pledge/oath of the Chosen/Elevated/Selected Persons,
                                      "For reason what I have given you from the Book and Wisdom/knowledge of invisible/secreted/in-folded things,
                                      thereafter lapse of time there comes the Messenger as the one who certifies/sanctifies/affirms what is with you people,
                                      it will be binding for you to believe and help him".
                                      Allah asked them, "Do you consent/pledge/agree to stay by it and you undertake upon yourselves My this assignment".
                                      They responded, "We solemnly undertake".
                                      Allah said, "for this you people record/testify/witness and I am with you from amongst witnesses ".

                                      How we obey him? through his message, through his life, through his moral and exemplary character!

                                      Allah Ho Akbar!

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                                        Soon your Lord will raise you to Mukam e Mehmood?

                                        Permit me a little correction. The above gives an impression as if he will be hereafter elevated. On the contrary the verb means to revive to his orginal place

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.79a.gif
                                        May be it is near that your Sustainer Lord may revive/return you to the original Place/Abode of Glory and Praise.

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.85.gif
                                        Certainly the One Who has time-bound assigned you the Qur'aan, shall surely return you, the Messenger honorably to the original Abode

                                        In Urdu you may like to read about it here

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/book%20tafseer/055/TAFSEER%20001/slides/38.html

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                                          justamuslim
                                          We praise him day and night who ever recites Quran with understanding praises him day and night, Quran is full of that, here are few verses, it is not me, you Layth or Asana it is Allah acknowledging his moral character, raising his status, calling him best example for others.

                                          Al-Quran
                                          And indeed, you are of a great moral character.

                                          There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful.

                                          ?Soon your Lord will raise you to Mukam e Mehmood?

                                          One who obeys the Messenger has certainly obeyed God. You have not been sent to watch over those who turn away from you.

                                          The Messenger of God is certainly a good example for those of you who have hope in God and in the Day of Judgment and who remember God very often.

                                          Al-Quran (translation From Haqeeqat.org of Mazhar sahib)
                                          And when Allah obtained a pledge/oath of the Chosen/Elevated/Selected Persons,
                                          "For reason what I have given you from the Book and Wisdom/knowledge of invisible/secreted/in-folded things,
                                          thereafter lapse of time there comes the Messenger as the one who certifies/sanctifies/affirms what is with you people,
                                          it will be binding for you to believe and help him".
                                          Allah asked them, "Do you consent/pledge/agree to stay by it and you undertake upon yourselves My this assignment".
                                          They responded, "We solemnly undertake".
                                          Allah said, "for this you people record/testify/witness and I am with you from amongst witnesses ".

                                          How we obey him? through his message, through his life, through his moral and exemplary character!

                                          Allah Ho Akbar!

                                          Brother

                                          Assalamu Alaikum. Nice reply.

                                          bravo bravo bravo

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