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Ar'Reh'maan is the Personal Name of Allah, and NOT attributive name/description

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    captainneckbeard
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    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/096.%20Al%20Alq/96.1.gif

    You read with the Name of your Sustainer Lord, the One Who created .

    And the Messenger started reading the Book pronouncing;
    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/001.%20Al%20Fateha/1.01a.gif

    Allah is great

    Sorry Raaajah, what is the translation of the arabic displayed in your post?

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      Raaajah
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      Beginning is with Allah's personal name Ar'Reh'maan Who is The Fountain of Infinite Mercy.

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        Mazhar
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        as-salamu `alaykum

        This is so interesting! I am thinking of surah #55 "Ar-Rahman * has taught the Qur'an"...

        Is there any other place in the Qur'an where a divine name/attribute is used as the subject of a sentence by itself like this? If not, then that would further strengthen your position.

        I also like the idea you present of Allah as the outer name and Ar-Rahman as the inner name.

        An excellent observation for cross check. I have related with reference to the subject of verbs, like creation, appointing, promise, teaching. Ar Rehman is used as subject of verb. That will be uploaded shortely, InshaAllah. The work suggested by you is quite voluminous. I have started checking it. Ar Rahim, Rahim is not used as subject of a nominal sentence and also not as subject of a verb.

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          An excellent observation for cross check.

          Thanks. After I posted, I was also thinking about "rabb" like Raaajah.

          But rabb is so often used with a possessive pronoun like "your Lord" - is it ever used as "THE Lord" in the Qur'an like it is in the Bible? Except in direct connection with the word Allah Allah ir-Rabbil 'alameen.

          The issue is rather, do we find "Ar-Rabb" by itself as a subject? In any case, I'm siding with Mazhar that Ar-Rahman is the most intimate/personal name of all the names.

          God bless you.

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            I do not believe Allah is named, in such a way. Allah is not born, and thus unnamed, by human standards. Allah is completely transcendent. Some use the expression "nameless" about this. He is without a name/definition. However as we know, The Quran uses the expression "All the most beautiful names belong to him." And we know that, as we praise our Lord, we give him truthfully the best of attributes/names.

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              Peace,

              I do not believe Allah is named, in such a way.

              It is clearly written "in name" Allah

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                Fascinating! Thank you! I do have one question though. . . in an earlier part of your writing in this post you talk about how names are neither male or female and later you say that this name can't be feminized. Is it then male? Or is Ar'Reh'maan gender neutral? (Sorry, but I don't know Arabic very well at all!) )
                Thanks!
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                  Mazhar
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                  Fascinating! Thank you! I do have one question though. . . in an earlier part of your writing in this post you talk about how names are neither male or female and later you say that this name can't be feminized. Is it then male? Or is Ar'Reh'maan gender neutral? (Sorry, but I don't know Arabic very well at all!) )
                  Thanks!
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                  Adjectives, participles are also nouns in Arabic. is masculine. To make it feminine we will make it . What I stated is that Personal Nouns/Names are not processed for making them feminine or from feminine making them masculine. A masculine name will always remain masculine. I hope Sisiter it clarifies.

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                    Mazhar
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                    Thanks. After I posted, I was also thinking about "rabb" like Raaajah.

                    But rabb is so often used with a possessive pronoun like "your Lord" - is it ever used as "THE Lord" in the Qur'an like it is in the Bible? Except in direct connection with the word Allah Allah ir-Rabbil 'alameen.

                    The issue is rather, do we find "Ar-Rabb" by itself as a subject? In any case, I'm siding with Mazhar that Ar-Rahman is the most intimate/personal name of all the names.

                    God bless you.

                    "Rabb" is not a personal name. It is a noun of relationship. Therefore it has a suffixed possessive pronoun or a separate possessive noun in genitive construction. And is a verbal noun. Personal Name is exclusive to the Self/Being/Personality.

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                      First time I feel this translation after reading all thses

                      I believe ALLAH=The God is the wrong translation , in arabic is the god = Al-Ileh , just like God=Ileh , and The God isn't Allah. but Al-Ileh

                      In the name of The Divinity, Alrahman the merciful

                      Sounds more personnel message

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                        "Rabb" is not a personal name. It is a noun of relationship. Therefore it has a suffixed possessive pronoun or a separate possessive noun in genitive construction. And is a verbal noun. Personal Name is exclusive to the Self/Being/Personality.

                        So true.... First, He/Allah/That-which-is-beyond-being CREATED (by his infinite grace/mercy/rahmah independent/samad), then he told the creation, "Am I not your RABB?" - thereby establishing the relationship. (AQ 7.172) Before there was a creation, there had to be Ar-Rahman projecting ruh/being/primordial-substance outward in the direction of nothingness.

                        This is perfectly in line with traditional metaphysics, by the way.

                        But why did you call nabi Muhammad (a.s.) "our Guide Lord" in the first post? (7th paragraph) We are commanded not to take prophets as lords. That's what Christians and Buddhists do.

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                          Mazhar
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                          But why did you call nabi Muhammad (a.s.) "our Guide Lord" in the first post? (7th paragraph) We are commanded not to take prophets as lords. That's what Christians and Buddhists do.

                          Guide

                          1. vti show somebody the way to lead somebody in the right direction

                          2. vt advise or influence somebody to advise or counsel somebody, or influence the way somebody behaves or acts

                          3. vt help somebody learn something to teach somebody,

                          4. vt steer something

                          Lord

                          a man who is a member of the nobility,

                          . powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

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                            loxbox13
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                            Rahman sounds like Amon RA in reverse

                            maybe the god of the Egyptians was called Rahman

                            the eye of RA is not an eye symbol, but that's how to write AmonRa

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                              Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

                              I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

                              Thus We send thee unto a nation, before whom other nations have passed away, that thou mayst recite unto them that which We have inspired in thee, while they are disbelievers in AlRahman. Say He is my Lord; there is no God save Him. In Him do I put my trust and unto Him is my recourse 1330

                              Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                              She said Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing 1718

                              So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say Lo! I have vowed a fast unto AlRahman, and may not speak this day to any mortal 1926

                              O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto AlRahman1944

                              my father! Lo! I fear lest a punishment from AlRahman overtake thee so that thou become a comrade of the devil 1945

                              These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of AlRahman were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping 1858

                              Gardens of Eden, which AlRahman hath promised to His slaves in the unseen. Lo! His promise is ever sure of fulfilment 1961

                              And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell. (6 Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to AlRahman 1969

                              Say As for him who is in error, AlRahman will verily prolong his span of life until, when they behold that which they were promised, whether it be punishment (in the world), or the Hour (of doom), they will know who is worse in position and who is weaker as an army. 1975

                              Hath he perused the Unseen, or hath he made a pact with AlRahman? 1978

                              On the day when We shall gather the righteous unto AlRahman, a goodly company 1985

                              They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with AlRahman. 1987

                              And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son 1988

                              That ye ascribe unto AlRahman a son,1991

                              When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) AlRahman that He should choose a son 1992

                              There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto AlRahman as a slave. 1993

                              Lo! those who believe and do good works, AlRahman will appoint for them love. 1996

                              AlRahman, Who is established on the Throne 205

                              And Aaron indeed had told them beforehand O my people! Ye are but being seduced therewith, for lo! your Lord is AlRahman, so follow me and obey my order 2090

                              On that day they follow the summoner who deceiveth not, and voices are hushed for AlRahman, and thou hearest but a faint murmur. 20108

                              On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom AlRahman hath given leave and whose word He accepteth 20109

                              And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves 2126

                              And when those who disbelieve behold thee, they but choose thee out for mockery, (saying) Is this he who maketh mention of your gods? And they would deny all mention of AlRahman 2136

                              Say Who guardeth you in the night or in the day from AlRahman? Nay, but they turn away from mention of their Lord! 2142

                              He saith My Lord! Judge Thou with truth. Our Lord is AlRahman, Whose help is to be implored against that which ye ascribe 21112

                              The Sovereignty on that day will be the True (Sovereignty) belonging to AlRahman, and it will be a hard day for disbelievers 2526

                              Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days, then He mounted the Throne. AlRahman! Ask anyone informed concerning Him 2559

                              And when it is said unto them Adore AlRahman! they say And what is the Beneficent? Are we to adore to whatever thou (Muhammad) biddest us? And it increaseth aversion in them 2560

                              The (faithful) slaves of AlRahman are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace 2563

                              Never cometh there unto them a fresh reminder from AlRahman, but they turn away from it. 265

                              Thou warnest only him who followeth the Reminder and feareth AlRahman in secret. To him bear tidings of forgiveness and a rich reward 3611

                              They said Ye are but mortals like unto us. AlRahman hath naught revealed. Ye do but lie! 3615

                              Shall I take (other) gods in place of Him when, if AlRahman should wish me any harm, their intercession will avail me naught, nor can they save? 3623

                              Crying Woe upon us! Who hath raised us from our place of sleep? This is that which the Beneficent did promise, and the messengers spoke truth 3652

                              And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage 4316

                              And they make the angels, who are the slaves of AlRahman, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned 4319

                              And they say If the AlRahman had (so) willed, we should not have worshipped them. They have no knowledge whatsoever of that. They do but guess. 4320

                              And were it not that mankind would have become one community, We might well have appointed, for those who disbelieve in AlRahman, roofs of silver for their houses and stairs (of silver) whereby to mount 4333

                              And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of AlRahman, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade 4336

                              And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped beside AlRahman 4345

                              Say If AlRahman hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers 4381

                              Who feareth AlRahman in secret and cometh with a contrite heart 5033

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                              AlRahman (1) Hath made known the Qur'an. (2) He hath created man. (3) He hath taught him utterance 551-4

                              He is The God, than Whom there is no other God, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is AlRahman, Merciful 5822

                              Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in AlRahman's creation; then look again Canst thou see any rifts? 673

                              Have they not seen the birds above them spreading out their wings and closing them? Naught upholdeth them save AlRahman. Lo! He is Seer of all things 6719

                              Or who is he that will be an army unto you to help you instead of AlRahman? The disbelievers are in naught but illusion 6720

                              Say He is AlRahman. In Him we believe and in Him we put our trust. And ye will soon know who it is that is in error manifest 6729

                              Lord of the heavens and the earth, and (all) that is between them, AlRahman with Whom none can converse 7837

                              On the day when the angels and the Spirit stand arrayed, they speak not, saving him whom AlRahman alloweth and who speaketh right 7838

                              All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
                              but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman
                              maybe AmonRa is the Rahman , the god of the Egyptians, they kidnapped the history of Egypt between an elite heritage, so no one will know that the Egyptians kings were the messengers of Allah.

                              we only know what they told us about the history of Egypt.

                              The Rahman knows best

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                                Jafar
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                                I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
                                -What is "Personal Name"?
                                -And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
                                -Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?

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                                  Salaaman LB13,

                                  Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

                                  I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

                                  All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
                                  but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman

                                  Attributes ???

                                  7180

                                  7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

                                  "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

                                  1965

                                  1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

                                  Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

                                  Raheem = Attribute
                                  Al + Raheem = Name

                                  Khaliq = Attribute
                                  Al + Khaliq = Name

                                  Malik = Attribute
                                  Al + Malik = Name

                                  Rubb = Attribute

                                  Al + Rahmaan = Name

                                  This is how I understand.

                                  May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
                                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                                    Salaaman LB13,

                                    Attributes ???

                                    7180

                                    7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

                                    "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

                                    1965

                                    1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

                                    Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

                                    Raheem = Attribute
                                    Al + Raheem = Name

                                    Khaliq = Attribute
                                    Al + Khaliq = Name

                                    Malik = Attribute
                                    Al + Malik = Name

                                    Rubb = Attribute

                                    Al + Rahmaan = Name

                                    This is how I understand.

                                    May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
                                    Mohammed M. Khan

                                    Salam brother khan

                                    Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                                    notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

                                    If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
                                    , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts
                                    This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
                                    so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

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                                      Lord
                                      a man who is a member of the nobility, powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

                                      OK, brother, I was pretty sure you weren't committing shirk, but still, it's a loaded word in English with heavy religious overtones, so why not just say noble, powerful man in the future to avoid confusion? We always need to be very careful with language.

                                      @loxbox13 Thanks for the ayat compilation. Good work.

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                                        Salaaman LB13,

                                        Salam brother khan

                                        Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                                        notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

                                        If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
                                        , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts

                                        You missed "Kuma" after "Quloob" brother. "Kuma" is referring to TWO. Same as in 37114-119

                                        37114
                                        37115
                                        37116
                                        37117
                                        37118
                                        37119

                                        37114 And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
                                        37115 And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
                                        37116 And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
                                        37117 And We gave both the clear Book.
                                        37118 And We guided them to the straight path.
                                        37119 And We kept their history for those who came later.

                                        It talks about only two but the problem is in English "Them" and "Their".

                                        This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
                                        so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

                                        5924

                                        5924 He is Allah; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.

                                        I believe that names should not be translated, the above aayat should be like "He is Allah; AlKaaliq, AlBaariu, AlMusawwairu, etc...

                                        May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                                        Mohammed M. Khan

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                                          ?Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.? (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 13.

                                          mmkhan
                                          I would like to comment on your post but will be great full if you comment on this quote first.

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