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Ar'Reh'maan is the Personal Name of Allah, and NOT attributive name/description

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    Paradox_Uncreated
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    I do not believe Allah is named, in such a way. Allah is not born, and thus unnamed, by human standards. Allah is completely transcendent. Some use the expression "nameless" about this. He is without a name/definition. However as we know, The Quran uses the expression "All the most beautiful names belong to him." And we know that, as we praise our Lord, we give him truthfully the best of attributes/names.

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      Peace,

      I do not believe Allah is named, in such a way.

      It is clearly written "in name" Allah

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        Fascinating! Thank you! I do have one question though. . . in an earlier part of your writing in this post you talk about how names are neither male or female and later you say that this name can't be feminized. Is it then male? Or is Ar'Reh'maan gender neutral? (Sorry, but I don't know Arabic very well at all!) )
        Thanks!
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          Mazhar
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          Fascinating! Thank you! I do have one question though. . . in an earlier part of your writing in this post you talk about how names are neither male or female and later you say that this name can't be feminized. Is it then male? Or is Ar'Reh'maan gender neutral? (Sorry, but I don't know Arabic very well at all!) )
          Thanks!
          sun

          Adjectives, participles are also nouns in Arabic. is masculine. To make it feminine we will make it . What I stated is that Personal Nouns/Names are not processed for making them feminine or from feminine making them masculine. A masculine name will always remain masculine. I hope Sisiter it clarifies.

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            Mazhar
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            Thanks. After I posted, I was also thinking about "rabb" like Raaajah.

            But rabb is so often used with a possessive pronoun like "your Lord" - is it ever used as "THE Lord" in the Qur'an like it is in the Bible? Except in direct connection with the word Allah Allah ir-Rabbil 'alameen.

            The issue is rather, do we find "Ar-Rabb" by itself as a subject? In any case, I'm siding with Mazhar that Ar-Rahman is the most intimate/personal name of all the names.

            God bless you.

            "Rabb" is not a personal name. It is a noun of relationship. Therefore it has a suffixed possessive pronoun or a separate possessive noun in genitive construction. And is a verbal noun. Personal Name is exclusive to the Self/Being/Personality.

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              loxbox13
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              First time I feel this translation after reading all thses

              I believe ALLAH=The God is the wrong translation , in arabic is the god = Al-Ileh , just like God=Ileh , and The God isn't Allah. but Al-Ileh

              In the name of The Divinity, Alrahman the merciful

              Sounds more personnel message

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                "Rabb" is not a personal name. It is a noun of relationship. Therefore it has a suffixed possessive pronoun or a separate possessive noun in genitive construction. And is a verbal noun. Personal Name is exclusive to the Self/Being/Personality.

                So true.... First, He/Allah/That-which-is-beyond-being CREATED (by his infinite grace/mercy/rahmah independent/samad), then he told the creation, "Am I not your RABB?" - thereby establishing the relationship. (AQ 7.172) Before there was a creation, there had to be Ar-Rahman projecting ruh/being/primordial-substance outward in the direction of nothingness.

                This is perfectly in line with traditional metaphysics, by the way.

                But why did you call nabi Muhammad (a.s.) "our Guide Lord" in the first post? (7th paragraph) We are commanded not to take prophets as lords. That's what Christians and Buddhists do.

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                  But why did you call nabi Muhammad (a.s.) "our Guide Lord" in the first post? (7th paragraph) We are commanded not to take prophets as lords. That's what Christians and Buddhists do.

                  Guide

                  1. vti show somebody the way to lead somebody in the right direction

                  2. vt advise or influence somebody to advise or counsel somebody, or influence the way somebody behaves or acts

                  3. vt help somebody learn something to teach somebody,

                  4. vt steer something

                  Lord

                  a man who is a member of the nobility,

                  . powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

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                    Rahman sounds like Amon RA in reverse

                    maybe the god of the Egyptians was called Rahman

                    the eye of RA is not an eye symbol, but that's how to write AmonRa

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                      Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

                      I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

                      Thus We send thee unto a nation, before whom other nations have passed away, that thou mayst recite unto them that which We have inspired in thee, while they are disbelievers in AlRahman. Say He is my Lord; there is no God save Him. In Him do I put my trust and unto Him is my recourse 1330

                      Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                      She said Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing 1718

                      So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say Lo! I have vowed a fast unto AlRahman, and may not speak this day to any mortal 1926

                      O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto AlRahman1944

                      my father! Lo! I fear lest a punishment from AlRahman overtake thee so that thou become a comrade of the devil 1945

                      These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of AlRahman were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping 1858

                      Gardens of Eden, which AlRahman hath promised to His slaves in the unseen. Lo! His promise is ever sure of fulfilment 1961

                      And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell. (6 Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to AlRahman 1969

                      Say As for him who is in error, AlRahman will verily prolong his span of life until, when they behold that which they were promised, whether it be punishment (in the world), or the Hour (of doom), they will know who is worse in position and who is weaker as an army. 1975

                      Hath he perused the Unseen, or hath he made a pact with AlRahman? 1978

                      On the day when We shall gather the righteous unto AlRahman, a goodly company 1985

                      They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with AlRahman. 1987

                      And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son 1988

                      That ye ascribe unto AlRahman a son,1991

                      When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) AlRahman that He should choose a son 1992

                      There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto AlRahman as a slave. 1993

                      Lo! those who believe and do good works, AlRahman will appoint for them love. 1996

                      AlRahman, Who is established on the Throne 205

                      And Aaron indeed had told them beforehand O my people! Ye are but being seduced therewith, for lo! your Lord is AlRahman, so follow me and obey my order 2090

                      On that day they follow the summoner who deceiveth not, and voices are hushed for AlRahman, and thou hearest but a faint murmur. 20108

                      On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom AlRahman hath given leave and whose word He accepteth 20109

                      And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves 2126

                      And when those who disbelieve behold thee, they but choose thee out for mockery, (saying) Is this he who maketh mention of your gods? And they would deny all mention of AlRahman 2136

                      Say Who guardeth you in the night or in the day from AlRahman? Nay, but they turn away from mention of their Lord! 2142

                      He saith My Lord! Judge Thou with truth. Our Lord is AlRahman, Whose help is to be implored against that which ye ascribe 21112

                      The Sovereignty on that day will be the True (Sovereignty) belonging to AlRahman, and it will be a hard day for disbelievers 2526

                      Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days, then He mounted the Throne. AlRahman! Ask anyone informed concerning Him 2559

                      And when it is said unto them Adore AlRahman! they say And what is the Beneficent? Are we to adore to whatever thou (Muhammad) biddest us? And it increaseth aversion in them 2560

                      The (faithful) slaves of AlRahman are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace 2563

                      Never cometh there unto them a fresh reminder from AlRahman, but they turn away from it. 265

                      Thou warnest only him who followeth the Reminder and feareth AlRahman in secret. To him bear tidings of forgiveness and a rich reward 3611

                      They said Ye are but mortals like unto us. AlRahman hath naught revealed. Ye do but lie! 3615

                      Shall I take (other) gods in place of Him when, if AlRahman should wish me any harm, their intercession will avail me naught, nor can they save? 3623

                      Crying Woe upon us! Who hath raised us from our place of sleep? This is that which the Beneficent did promise, and the messengers spoke truth 3652

                      And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage 4316

                      And they make the angels, who are the slaves of AlRahman, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned 4319

                      And they say If the AlRahman had (so) willed, we should not have worshipped them. They have no knowledge whatsoever of that. They do but guess. 4320

                      And were it not that mankind would have become one community, We might well have appointed, for those who disbelieve in AlRahman, roofs of silver for their houses and stairs (of silver) whereby to mount 4333

                      And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of AlRahman, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade 4336

                      And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped beside AlRahman 4345

                      Say If AlRahman hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers 4381

                      Who feareth AlRahman in secret and cometh with a contrite heart 5033

                      (&#65279 (&#65279 (&#65279
                      AlRahman (1) Hath made known the Qur'an. (2) He hath created man. (3) He hath taught him utterance 551-4

                      He is The God, than Whom there is no other God, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is AlRahman, Merciful 5822

                      Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in AlRahman's creation; then look again Canst thou see any rifts? 673

                      Have they not seen the birds above them spreading out their wings and closing them? Naught upholdeth them save AlRahman. Lo! He is Seer of all things 6719

                      Or who is he that will be an army unto you to help you instead of AlRahman? The disbelievers are in naught but illusion 6720

                      Say He is AlRahman. In Him we believe and in Him we put our trust. And ye will soon know who it is that is in error manifest 6729

                      Lord of the heavens and the earth, and (all) that is between them, AlRahman with Whom none can converse 7837

                      On the day when the angels and the Spirit stand arrayed, they speak not, saving him whom AlRahman alloweth and who speaketh right 7838

                      All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
                      but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman
                      maybe AmonRa is the Rahman , the god of the Egyptians, they kidnapped the history of Egypt between an elite heritage, so no one will know that the Egyptians kings were the messengers of Allah.

                      we only know what they told us about the history of Egypt.

                      The Rahman knows best

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                        I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
                        -What is "Personal Name"?
                        -And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
                        -Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?

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                          Salaaman LB13,

                          Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

                          I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

                          All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
                          but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman

                          Attributes ???

                          7180

                          7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

                          "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

                          1965

                          1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

                          Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

                          Raheem = Attribute
                          Al + Raheem = Name

                          Khaliq = Attribute
                          Al + Khaliq = Name

                          Malik = Attribute
                          Al + Malik = Name

                          Rubb = Attribute

                          Al + Rahmaan = Name

                          This is how I understand.

                          May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
                          Mohammed M. Khan

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                            loxbox13
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                            Salaaman LB13,

                            Attributes ???

                            7180

                            7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

                            "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

                            1965

                            1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

                            Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

                            Raheem = Attribute
                            Al + Raheem = Name

                            Khaliq = Attribute
                            Al + Khaliq = Name

                            Malik = Attribute
                            Al + Malik = Name

                            Rubb = Attribute

                            Al + Rahmaan = Name

                            This is how I understand.

                            May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
                            Mohammed M. Khan

                            Salam brother khan

                            Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                            notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

                            If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
                            , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts
                            This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
                            so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

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                              Lord
                              a man who is a member of the nobility, powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

                              OK, brother, I was pretty sure you weren't committing shirk, but still, it's a loaded word in English with heavy religious overtones, so why not just say noble, powerful man in the future to avoid confusion? We always need to be very careful with language.

                              @loxbox13 Thanks for the ayat compilation. Good work.

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                                Salaaman LB13,

                                Salam brother khan

                                Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                                notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

                                If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
                                , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts

                                You missed "Kuma" after "Quloob" brother. "Kuma" is referring to TWO. Same as in 37114-119

                                37114
                                37115
                                37116
                                37117
                                37118
                                37119

                                37114 And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
                                37115 And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
                                37116 And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
                                37117 And We gave both the clear Book.
                                37118 And We guided them to the straight path.
                                37119 And We kept their history for those who came later.

                                It talks about only two but the problem is in English "Them" and "Their".

                                This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
                                so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

                                5924

                                5924 He is Allah; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.

                                I believe that names should not be translated, the above aayat should be like "He is Allah; AlKaaliq, AlBaariu, AlMusawwairu, etc...

                                May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                                Mohammed M. Khan

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                                  ?Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.? (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 13.

                                  mmkhan
                                  I would like to comment on your post but will be great full if you comment on this quote first.

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                                    Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact.

                                    What a stupid assertion!!

                                    Qur'aan quotes it that they adopt other miscellaneous gods by imaginative names besides Allah, i.e. in addition to Him.

                                    And when confronted they, the idol worshippers, name only Allah with reference to questions relating to creation etc.

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                                      mmkhan
                                      I would like to comment on your post but will be great full if you comment on this quote first.

                                      Sorry Raaajah, no comments on that -X as I don't have any knowledge.

                                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                                        Sorry Raaajah, no comments on that Lips Sealed as I don't have any knowledge.

                                        Mohammed M. Khan

                                        then pray this often

                                        http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/20_114.png

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                                          I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
                                          -What is "Personal Name"?
                                          -And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
                                          -Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?

                                          The problem is the concept of the name Rahman, it is the only name special to allah and it is not used as an attribute
                                          even Allah, it is used for shirk, Alihatakoum
                                          but Rahman never beign used by any polytheist
                                          it is a name that Mohamed Preached, and zoroastrians veiled it with hadiths inserting it with the attributes

                                          Rahman means simply INFINITE MERCY
                                          they kept mistranslating it because they think it'a an attribute, a thing Allah does, but they didn't think it's a desciption og the merciful, it means Ifinite mercy
                                          Rahma ascending, Rahman

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