A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
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Please folks...Stop the idol worship!
Only God is worthy of our praise and worship...Be He glorified.
3144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. And God will recompense the thankful.
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Salaam Asana and mm khan
I need not to answer for those who got irritated whenever the name Muhammad Peace is upon him is used, Quran answers for itself they "have to wait for Allah's decision/command"
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http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/009.%20At%20Tauba/9.24c.gifYou, the Messenger pronounce, "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brothers, and your spouses and your clans;and the wealth that you have acquired, and the business you people fear recession in it and the residences you are delighted with are more attractive and dearer to you people than Allah and His Messenger and endeavoring/exerting utmost with wealth and bodily/physically for His cause/path then wait until such time Allah proclaims His decision/command.
Those who try to bring Nafaaq in the Ummah by pronouncing different numbers of prayers and make their own Salaat, Quran answers to them, those who follow false prophets and make separate Masjid quran answer to those
As for those who have set up a mosque, causing harm and out of disbelief, to create division between the believers, and in readiness for those who previously made war on Allah and His Messenger, they will swear, "We only desired the best." But Allah bears witness that they are truly liars. Do not ever stand in it. A mosque founded on fear of Allah from the first day has a greater right for you to stand in it. In it there are men who love to purify themselves. Allah loves those who purify themselves. Who is better someone who founds his building on fear of Allah and His good pleasure, or someone who founds his building on the brink of a crumbling precipice so that it collapses with him into the Fire of Hell? Allah does not love wrongdoers. The buildings they have built will not cease to be a bone of contention in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to shreds. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. (Surat at-Tawba, 107-110
Muhammad has not been the father of single one from amongst your men, and he in fact is the Final Messenger of Allah and The Finalizer of the series of Distinct, Elevated and Chosen Ones of Allah And Allah is Ever All-Knower/Aware of each and everything.
and no matter how jealous one must feel Allah says
and We have since raised high for you the mention/remembrance/repute of you .
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Layth
Please folks...Stop the idol worship!
Only God is worthy of our praise and worship...Be He glorified.
3144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have passed before him. Please folks...Stop the idol worship!Only God is worthy of our praise and worship...Be He glorified.
3144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. And God will recompense the thankful.
This ayat is totally out of context of what is being discussed.
"Muhammad is but a messenger" Yes he is
"Like many messengers who have passed before him" True
"If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least" Very true
"And God will recompense the thankful" No doubtBut where does this ayat says that we should not love Muhammad peace is upon him? it even never goes near it, this ayat in-fact confirms the status of Muhammad Peace is upon him as a messenger.
So who are those passed away messengers Allah is comparing him
"O Maryam! indeed Allah gives you the good news of the son named Meseiha, Easa son of Maryam, with this word/promise from Him that he will be respectable and honorable in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be amongst the near-ones of Allah;
for Ibraheem (As) he said
His Sustainer Lord said "I declare you as Imam/Leader for people."We elevate the ranks for whom We so will.
Indeed your Sustainer Lord is eternally and intrinsically The Wise, The All Knower of apparent and invisible/ secreted/infolded And to him We gifted Ies'hauqe and Ya'qoob All of them We guided. And We guided Noah in aforetime And guided in his posterity Da'ued, and Sulie'maan, and Ayub and Yusuf and Musa and Haroon.And in this way We reward those who conduct moderately, gracefully and generously And guided Zakariyya, and Yahya and Easa and Ilyas; each and every one of them was amongst righteous/perfectionists..And Iesma'eile and Al-Yasa'a and Yunus and Lut . And We gave all of them over and above the entire humanity the uniqueness/sanctity/individuality/distinctionDid you see brother Layth what was the status of these messengers
Therefore when Allah says he is But a messenger like those who passed away it is meant he is with those who are not ordinary but with those who are chosen/selected/distinct/unique.
And Muhammad peace is upon him is no doubt unique.
Layth
Only God is worthy of our praise and worship...Be He glorified.That is the message of Muhammad peace is upon him.
But Allah praises Muhammad Peace is upon himMay be it is near that your Sustainer Lord may revive/return you to the original Place/Abode of Glory and Praise.
Secondly this verse is during the war of Uhud when Muslims were defeated. Muslims left the battle field as soon as they hear the Prophet Muhammad peace is upon him has been killed, therefore they suffered a humiliating defeat, lots of close companions of Prophet left the battle field in this time. Thus the Ayat was revealed; Allah questioning those who left the battle field after hearing the rumor of death of Prophet, What if prophet dies a natural death or is killed will the Muslims turn away? and then warns them if they will turn away, they will be losers themselves.
Later in next verses Allah tells that a time is destined for every one written in the book.Allah Ho Akbar!
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Salaam Asana,
They are trying to make Prophet Mohammed (AS) above the other messengers of Allah? nope
But they are trying make him sit beside Allah. Don't you agree with me? Look below
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Salam Raaajah,Well done. May Allah and he be pleased with you.
Words with us will always fall short to praise him, his granedur is above our capability to define and express it equal to that. Only Allah can and has described his greatness, in the Grand Qur'aan.
When I was reading the above highlighted part from last para, I was having an expression that it was talking about Allah but .... &
Cause those words ONLY suite Allah.
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2165 And from among the people are some who take other than Allah as equals to Him, they love them as they love Allah; but those who believe love Allah more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to Allah, and that Allah is severe in retribution.
May Allah guide us all towards HIS path and make us free from idol worshiping pr
Mohammed M. Khanis plural, and the pronoun referring to them is also plural . This Ayat has nothing to do with the Messengers of Allah, they are not idols.
Allah quotes the Messengers alongwith/besides His Own Self.
Paradise is only for those who believed in Allah and His Messengers. People Believing in Allah alone are NOT entitled for the Paradise.
For read part of my quote
and if, when they people did wrong themselves, they had come to you, the Messenger then sought forgiveness of Allah and for them The Messenger sought forgiveness for them thereby surely they would have found Allah paying attention mercifully.
Those who are under a sekf deceiving thought of loving Allah vehementally conveniently forget this that to get reciprocal love of Allah is now conditional
You the Messenger, pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then consciously incline yourselves to follow me, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will in response love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings"
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peace loxbox
Would you think defending monotheistic ideology through message of God means feeling insecurity?
Making distinction among the messengers of God is what Raaajah is doing here plus making an idol beside God. I wonder if he would pay the same kind of tribute to other messengers of God.
He is trying to make a point that Prophet Mohammad is above the other messengers of God and should be praised for it.
God has already told us in the Quran that messenger sets a good example .Why God didn?t use the word of Prophet there?It wasn?t Mohammad who achieved what he achieved in his life to be praised for now. It was God and His Message that he followed .God supported him to win the battles and God guided him all the way till his death?.His mission was to deliver the message not that achieving what he wanted to do in his private life in order to become an idol beside God to be praised .
Those thinkers praised him but I wonder which one of them truly became a Muslim in Eyes of God by accepting/believing in One god and His message that Mohammad fought and lived for it as they don't praise him for that now.
There is nothing wrong in remembering who messengers of God were. As a matter of fact it?s beneficial remembering in what they did in the cause of God by setting a good example but not in that extend to make them god beside God to rival Him like praising Prophet day and night by taking the beads in hand counting the number of Salawat on him instead of glorifying God and commemorating God through His message.
Yes you?re right God advise us to search the earth and study it like archeology to get to know who God the Creator is and what His message is all about and why worshiping Him alone is necessary. He doesn?t ask us to study them in order making an idol out of His Creatures beside Him like what Raaajah meant in doing so here.
He keeps emphasizing on 1779 to remind us the status of prophet that he should be praised. That was all his point by writing such a thread??.In no where in his thread he praised God for the blessing that He sent on us by sending Mohammad as a messenger to save our souls??.
Please reread his thread and see who the center of focus is by him and those thinkers, is it God and His message that deserved to be praised at the end or Mohammad as a human being who without God?s message and support was nobody?Please pay attention to how he finishes his message too.
All messengers of God lived and died for God's message and Him Alone to be praised but human beings try to shift the focus on God to His powerless creatures by the name of messengers and Saints to be praised too?..This was the hidden message of Raaajah?s thread.
All praises due to God
Asana
To tell you the truth, I see nothing wrong to study a prophete, any prophet's history, but it will always be innacurate
and one point, I don't celebrate the Mawlid ( birthday of mohamed ) and I don't believe in this holiday for only one reason, I don't see anywahere in the Quran Mohamed celebrating it, so it is a religious invention , therefore it's a celebration against mohamed's will himself. I don't believe prophet mohamed or his companions cared about their legacy, or about been mentioned in history, because they knew what is life all about.
One thing I believe, all these people who worship mohamed , are actually worshiping an imaginary mohamed, because we know nothing about mohamed except what is in the quran, nothing, everyone know that mohamed didn't write his teachings nor his companions, ecept 200 years after that, they invented all kinds of stories about him. because those who wrote Ahadiths, are liars, they lied about the religion of god, what make us know they say the truth when they said that mohamed was 2 centuries before them ?
I believe all we know about mohamed in only what's in the quran, we don't know more about him of what we know about abraham or moses , maybe if they open that grave in Median ,they won't find no mohamed nor abu bakr, wich might be 2 persons fiiction. god only knows where mohamed was buried, and where other prophets were buried .
so don't worry , those who worship mohamed, are worshiping a fake story and an imaginary mohamed. same as jesus, god only knows when jesus was and where he is buried. god didn't leuave his chosen pious people to be worshiped
if we want to know about mohamed, or jesus or moses, we have to start digging in archeology, and I am sure if people do, the world will be shocked for we will find totally different people than what we imagine.remember, people believe there is a Peter, and he was in Rome.
worship is a pagan word, that is not supposed to be in Islam, We Serve God.Have you noticed where Islamic history came from ?
TABARI
and Tabari used subliminal messages to influence and take the religion ashtray, satanic way
You read his narrators, and see
one of his narrators is named AL Bezi , if you read it in arabic in reverse, it means penis
one of his main narrators is called Sudey, if you read it in reverse, it means yaduss, meaning satanic insertion.
he invented the name Abu Bakr, Siddiq , they say the prophet married Aysha the only Bekr, if you notcie, this personnage Abu Bekr, means father of the virgin, so no one knows this name
so in reality, Islamic history is a fabrication of Tabari, and those followed like bukhari etc...
no one knows mohamed, just like no one knows moses or abaraham, except what we have in the quran.
satan worked hard, the influence is deeper than we think. takes a while, maybe another generation, our kids who will have a naturel coranic education, maybe they will know the way more than we do.
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Please folks...Stop the idol worship!
Only God is worthy of our praise and worship...Be He glorified.
3144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. And God will recompense the thankful.
bravo
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i dont think praising somebody means your worshiping them. i praise my friends who do something admirable, my mother, my grandfather....and i think Muhammad deserves praise...and we should find out more about him..his life etc..from history as well as the quran...same goes for abraham, moses, noah...all the prophets...they were great people who all deserve acknowledgment and praise, and are role models for muslims.
praising someone is very different from worshiping them...follow the quran only, but acknowledge the person who had the strength and wisdom to deliver it.
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christians celebrate the birth of jesus. it is only befitting that hadith followers celebrate the birth of muhammad.
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salam Raaajah
,Those who try to bring Nafaaq in the Ummah by pronouncing different numbers of prayers and make their own Salaat, Quran answers to them, those who follow false prophets and make separate Masjid quran answer to those
What about those who utter the false Shahada, doesn?t God call them Hypocrite and liars? 631
Those who praise anybody beside God day and night are Idol worshipers .They commit an unforgivable sin.,As for those who have set up a mosque, causing harm and out of disbelief, to create division between the believers, and in readiness for those who previously made war on Allah and His Messenger, they will swear, "We only desired the best." But Allah bears witness that they are truly liars.
You with your false Shahada by following other source beside Quran build a Mosque which is not established on righteousness and God is asking me not to worship Him in your Mosque
9108 You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. GOD loves those who purify themselves.
9109 Is one who establishes his building on the basis of reverencing GOD and to gain His approval better, or one who establishes his building on the brink of a crumbling cliff, that falls down with him into the fire of Hell? GOD does not guide the transgressing people.
,You, the Messenger pronounce, "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brothers, and your spouses and your clans;and the wealth that you have acquired, and the business you people fear recession in it and the residences you are delighted with are more attractive and dearer to you people than Allah and His Messenger
Why do you inject your idolization into the verse/Word of God ? Where about God mentions salawaat on him in His words that each time you quote a verse with prophet?s name or messenger you praise him there?Where is God's salawat on him in those verses?
In above verse God doesn?t even use the word of Prophet or Mohammad but messenger and you write those words there?
You do not distinguish why God uses the Messengers in most verses instead of prophet.,and We have since raised high for you the mention/remembrance/repute of you .
The translation that you?re using is wrong.
maqman mamdan is the station that is unknown to us .Whatever it is ,it?s a high rank which take place for prophet in Hereafter/Paradise???.Please reflect on the verse .God is asking prophet to meditate during night in order to attain that station??God doesn?t surely tell him to meditate on Him to be praised in this world by people??.If you praise Mohammad 24/7 doesn?t have any effect on his soul because it is God who bestows on him that station due to his meditation done on this earth . This alone nullifies your interpretation and understanding.
If you are after that since he attained that station then you should praise him day and night, mentioning his name in your Salat, testifying a false Shahada and making distinction among God's messengers then you are not following him through the message that he lived and fought for. Prophet never sat there watching people counting the beads in their hands by sending salawaat on him?prophet didn?t ask to testify to his messngership because he delivered the message that people must believe in him ?Prophet never meditated on God that later on people praise him for day and night . He did it to attain that station promised by God?And you?re insulting him by keep quoting 1779 in a way that he meditated for receiving adoration in people?s eyes. What you do is misusing and abusing that verse.
Asana
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Peace rraza
praising someone is very different from worshiping them...
Admiring someone by keep repeating some fixed words for him/her day and night ,uttering the same fixed words for the person each time mentioning his/her name if not committing sin plus remembering the person beside God is worshiping.
Asana
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George Romero would be proud.
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Each and every person is born on any given day, and to say that specific day is his birth day; is any thing wrong in it?
Just can't understand the fuss that is tried to be created. No one is telling any one to celebrate anything, did some one? it is only the guilt that is causing the problems.rraza
praising someone is very different from worshiping them...follow the quran only, but acknowledge the person who had the strength and wisdom to deliver it.
Exactly!
As we know to Admire/praise some one,and to Worship some one are two different things, and how can one worship and make partner with Allah the person who himself was one of the BEST MONOTHEIST; this would be totally against the teachings of the person whom we admire .Therefore it is only the Jealousy against the Man who changed the life of Billions.
The thread mentions some Ayats of Quran about this great messenger/prophet, and remarks of different intellectuals about this great Man, but few cannot even digest this.Jack
George Romero would be proud.he should be, he made the dead alive, at least in movies.
but remember Muhammad Peace is upon him is not dead, that was a fiction this is a reality!
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Salaam Asana
What I can say in response to your posts is please re read the Quran with out the influence of false prophet Rashad Khalifa. Until the time you are under influence of this false prophet you can't do justice to your thoughts you are hypnotized so I need not answer you.
bravo
please read the reply above to this post by me. Reply #15.
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,You, the Messenger pronounce, "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brothers, and your spouses and your clans;and the wealth that you have acquired, and the business you people fear recession in it and the residences you are delighted with are more attractive and dearer to you people than Allah and His MessengerWhy do you inject your idolization into the verse/Word of God ? Where about God mentions salawaat on him in His words that each time you quote a verse with prophet?s name or messenger you praise him there?Where is God's salawat on him in those verses?
In above verse God doesn?t even use the word of Prophet or Mohammad but messenger and you write those words there?
You do not distinguish why God uses the Messengers in most verses instead of prophet.Translation of a speech is its version in another language. And a good translation is the one which conveys a version as nearest to the original speech as is possible through the medium of another language.
I hope you know that the Arabic word "Qul" denotes a dialogue between two. One is commanding/asking another person to do/initiate an act of telling/pronouncing a statement. Therefore while translating into English/Urdu I try to convey to the reader the essence of the Arabic word by naming the person who is being asked to pronounce to the people the following quote.
As regards the praise within parentheses, that is done in compliance to a separate order of Allah given to believers, and Alhamdo LiAllah I am a believer.
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As far as I know, the exact birthday of Mohammad is not mentionned in the Qur'an. So I can't commerate his birthday, neither can I from the other prophets. But my head is spinning reading this topic. There surely is a difference between paying respect to all the messengers, praising them or making idols of them, worshipping them. I totally agree, this isn't the same thing. Don't we all have to pay respect for our parents? This is not the same as worshipping them! Young children may be do this for a while, but growing up they understand that there parents aren't 'perfect'... So they love their parents and respect them without worshipping them. Same for the messengers. Even the messengers were not perfect, why should Allah, swt, mention in the Qur'an that He forgaves the prophet past sin and the sins in the futur (during his life on earth) if he was perfect?? So we can read in the Qur'an that even Mohammed was not without sins. And Allah, swt, is the most mercifull. Does this mean that we can't praise (be thankfull, remember) Mohammed ? NO... we can praise him and all the other messengers, we can be thankfull that they devoted their life to bring us Allah's message. People who believe in Allah alone What are you trying to prove with this sentence? I am sure that every individual who in this times hear and know about Allah,swt, does this through hearing, reading about one or another messenger. All here who say they believe and follow the Qur'an, are indirectly saying that they believe the person who brought this Qur'an..... indirectly they believe that Mohammed was speaking the truth. If you don't believe a person is speaking the truth you won't believe his message or book or whatever... So I really don't see what you wanna prove with this sentence. But again, believing someone is not the same as worshipping that person! 3079-081 It is not for a human that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah," but , "Be pious scholars of the Lord because of what you have taught of the Scripture and because of what you have studied." Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims? And , when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, , "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you believe in him and support him." said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." Support them, this is only possible during the lifetime of the prophet. But otherwise, when defending the Qur'an now in this times, indirectly they defend and support the messenger of the Qur'an.
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Peace rraza
Admiring someone by keep repeating some fixed words for him/her day and night ,uttering the same fixed words for the person each time mentioning his/her name if not committing sin plus remembering the person beside God is worshiping.
Asana
If that is what it is for you, I think you should not do it.
For other people i may be a reminder that God did address to us, that He, Most Merciful, manifested His Mercy on us, sending us His messengers with His message, that we are acknowledging that God does speak to us, His humble servants and cares for us. There is a relationship with God. We Muslims do not have alters, have the whole universe as an altar as a praying rug for all all the time. God is not far away or in any place special, we remember He does speak to us and tells us things, we salute and ask for His blessings on the messengers, on the message. Everything is a message from God, we must know. Everyone acknowledges as he or she thinks or feels best.
Salaam
Salaam
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If that is what it is for you, I think you should not do it.
For other people i may be a reminder that God did address to us, that He, Most Merciful, manifested His Mercy on us, sending us His messengers with His message, that we are acknowledging that God does speak to us, His humble servants and cares for us. There is a relationship with God. We Muslims do not have alters, have the whole universe as an altar as a praying rug for all all the time. God is not far away or in any place special, we remember He does speak to us and tells us things, we salute and ask for His blessings on the messengers, on the message. Everything is a message from God, we must know. Everyone acknowledges as he or she thinks or feels best.
Salaam
Salaam
bravo
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Admiring someone by keep repeating some fixed words for him/her day and night ,uttering the same fixed words for the person each time mentioning his/her name if not committing sin plus remembering the person beside God is worshiping.
true. but thats not what this thread is about. I praise the Prophet, just as i admire the rest of them...i read the bible to get any true glimpse of Jesus...i read the quran to get to know more about Muhammad, Abraham, Jesus, Moses...and i pray to be guided like they were. I appreciate them, and i dont see any signs of idol worship on this thread, so i think that your argument doesnt apply in this case.
