Jesus, Virgin Births, Miracles, Symbolisms.
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peace Mazhar,
Thanks for clarifying. I see what you are saying now. Basically, to resolve the problem/contradiction in your view you are forced to claim ""Please note in 711 presence of particle "Summa" that indicates that two initial steps of creation of him didn't need mention/reiteration-are supressed having been mentioned about us, i.e. creation and preening."
A completely made up statement. In other words, you can provide no Classical Arabic dictionary or grammar book or Quranic evidence for your view.
So, lets clarify for all readers to see
And certainly We created you (plural), thumma/thereafter We shaped you (plural), thumma/thereafter We said to the angels "Yield to Adam;" so they yielded except for Satan, he was not of those who yielded.
Mazhar claims the first "thumma" refers to us, i.e. the same event before and after first "thumma", but the second "thumma" goes back in time prior to the event just mentioned and talks about "adam" and not us.
Wakas claims "thumma" means the same thing the first time as it does the second time, showing the parable of adam is indeed representative of mankind. For discussion on the parable of adam, see chapter 10 of this book, and in my post here.
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Peace,
And We created you (plural), then We shaped you (plural), then We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Iblees, he was not of those who submitted.
Use substitution ...
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O mankind! yayyuh l-nsu indeed, We inn created you khalaqnkum from min a male dhakarin and female wa-unth711
We created you khalaqnkum (from a male and a female), furthermore We fashioned you, furthermore We said to the malikati "usjud to Adam."Not a chronological sequence of events;
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First to understand the story of Jesus, his normal birth like everyone else, there is key words that were distorted from their original meaning, they modified the lmeaning of the word using hadiths
first , we study the word ROOH, what does it mean? does it mean a spirit in the judeo-christian meaning, or is it something else
so we first study the word rooh before we go into the subject. and some other sentences , what do they mean now and what do they mean in the quran.The first , they translate the verse 1785, and the answer is as if god is saying it's none of your business, but in reality, what comes after that question, is exactly the answer of what Roouh is!
in this case, Rouh is the Quran. the commands in it.And they ask you concerning the Rooh. Say Rooh is from the command of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little. And if We wished, We would take away that which We have inspired to you. Then you would not find for yourself with it against Us a caretaker. 1785-86
The command of God will come, so do not hasten it. Be He glorified and exalted above the partners they set up.
He sends down the angels with the Rooh by His command upon whom He wishes of His servants That you shall warn that there is no god except I, so be aware of Me 161-3And thus, We inspired to you a Rooh of Our command. You did not know what was the Book, nor what was faith. Yet, We made this a light to guide whoever We wish from among Our servants. Surely, you guide to a straight path. 4252
Say The Holy Rooh has brought it down from your Lord with the truth, so that those who believe will be strengthened, and as a guidance and good news for those who have submitted 16102
God makes firm those who believe with firm sayings in the worldly life, and in the Hereafter. And God misguides the wicked, and God does what He wishes. 1427
It was sent down with the trusted Rooh.
Upon your heart, so that you would be of the warners.. 26193-194Possessor of the highest ranks, the One with the Throne. He sends the Spirit with His command upon whom He wills from His servants, that they may warn of the Day of Summoning.. 4015
The angels and the Rooh come down in it with the permission of their Lord to carry out every matter. 974
let's study how god create with the Rooh
Initiator of the heavens and the earth, when He decrees a command, He merely says to it Be, and it is. 2117
God was to enforce a command that was already done 842.
It is thus that God creates what He wills, when He decrees a command, He merely says to it Be, and it is 347
God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a command, then He simply says to it Be, and it is. 1935
He is the One who gives life and death. And when He decides upon anything, He simply says to it Be, and it is. 4068
What does NAFAKH FIHI mean ?
And He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth with the truth, and the day He says Be, then it is! His saying is truth; and to Him is the sovereignty the Day the trumpet is blown. Knower of the unseen and the seen; He is the Wise, the Expert. 673
God doesn't say words like US, that is why he says Nafakh min Rohihi( and explain it to us in other verses , as he says be and it is )
So when I evolve him, and blow from My Rooh in him, you shall yield to him 1529
And We left them until that day to surge like waves on one another. And the horn was blown so We gathered them together.1599
Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful. 329
let's go to Miriam
So her Lord accepted her a good acceptance, and made her grow into a good growth, and charged Zachariah 369
The book of Zakariah
Zakariah gave the news to Miriam of Her son a prophet the massih, it's not her who received this revelation, but zakariah, and she received the news from zakariah. for the angels spoke to zakariah.So the angels called to him while he was standing, making contact, in the temple enclosure God gives you glad tidings of John, authenticating the word from God, and a master, and steadfast, and a prophet from the upright 339
And the angels said O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over all the women of the worlds.342
O Mary, be dutiful to your Lord and prostrate and kneel with those who kneel.
And the angels said O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary. Honorable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close 345
Zakariah giving the news and presenting her her husband
And relate in the Book, Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east. 1916
So she took a barrier to separate her from them, so We sent Our Spirit to her, and he took on the shape of a human being in all similarity. 1917
She said I seek refuge with the Almighty from you if you are righteous 1918
He said It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for the people and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained. 1919
She said How can I have a son when no human being has been with me, nor have I desired such? 1920
He said It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for the people and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained. 1921
(Lam Yamssassni Bashar), meaning sexual touching by husband to his wife after marriage
Those who had estranged their women, then they retracted what they had said, they shall free a slave before they have sexual contact between them. 583
If he cannot find any, then he shall fast two consecutive months before any sexual contact between them 584
O you who believe, if you marry the believing females, then divorce them before having intercourse with them, 3349
(Wa Lam Akou Baghiya)meaning Sexe outside of marriage
And do not force your young women to prostitution they have desired to be married 2433
The marriage of Miriam
And Mary, daughter of Imran, who maintained the chastity of her private part, so We blew into it from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Books; and she was of those who were dutiful. 6612 , 2191
Ahsanat , comes from the word fortress, Hosn, it is fortress through Wedlock, she locked her chastity. for women who guard their chastity, in general for married and unmarried men and women, allah use the word HAFADH, exemple
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts, for that is better for them. God is fully aware of what you do. 2430
As for AHSANAT? is always protecting chastity through wedlock.
exempleAnd those who accuse the married women, then they do not bring forth four witnesses, you shall lash them with eighty lashes, and do not accept their testimony ever; and those are the wicked. 244
Surely, those who accuse the married innocent believing women, they will be cursed in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have a painful retribution. 2423
And let those who are not able to marry continue to be chaste until God enriches them of His Bounty. And if those who are maintained by your oaths seek to consummate the marriage, then document it with them if you find that they are ready, and give them from the wealth of God which He has bestowed upon you. And do not force your young women to prostitution if they have desired to be married, in order that you may make a gain in the goods of this worldly life. And if anyone has compelled them, then for their compulsion, God is Forgiving, Merciful.. 2433
You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their dowries in kindness; to be independent, not for illicit sex or taking lovers. When they become married, then any of them who come with lewdness shall have half of what is the punishment for those independent wives. This is for those who are concerned about deviating from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful. 425
AS u can see , Miriam get married to get the child according to the rules of Allah.
How did god create men
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The One who perfected everything He created and He began the creation of man from clay. Then He made his offspring from a structure derived from a lowly liquid. Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful. 327-9
O people, if you are in doubt as to the resurrection, then We have created you from dust, then from a seed, then from an embryo, then from a fetus developed and undeveloped so that We make it clear to you. And We settle in the wombs what We wish to an appointed time, then We bring you out a child 225
And God created you from dust, then from a seed 3511
As you can see, we all come from the acids and minerals that are in the tilth, that get absorbed by plants , and aten by our fathers, to get into his bloodstream to go and form a sperm that goes into the womb etc... until we're born
same thing for jesus, just like same thing for adam.The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him Be and he was.359
here you can see that Jesus came from Tourab ( earth ) and passed by the whole proces before getting born
vERSES? EVIDENCE OF NO VIRGIN BIRTH
There is no changing in the creation of God. 3030
This is the way of God with those who have passed away before, and you will not find any change in the way of God.. 3362
You will not find any change in the way of God, and you will not find any bypass to the way of God. 3543
Such is the way of God with those who have passed away before, and you will not find any change in the way of God. 4823
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All messengers before Mohamed had been married and had children.included Jesus.
And We have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and offspring 1338
All messengers before mohamed, had familys, mothers and fathers, included Jesus
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And such was Our argument that We gave Abraham over his people We raise the degree of whom We please. Your Lord is Wise, Knowledgeable.
And We granted him Isaac and Jacob, both of whom We guided and Noah We guided from before
and from his progeny is David, and Solomon, and Job, and Joseph, and Moses, and Aaron. It is such that We recompense the good doers.
And Zachariah and John, and Jesus, and Elias all were from the upright.
And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot; and each We have preferred over the worlds.
And from their fathers and their progeny and their brothers We have also chosen; and We guided them to a straight path.
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As you can see in the above post, everything is clear that jesus was born through a naturel marriage, except confusion in thses verses 1916-21 , because of the meaning of the word Rooh concept.And relate in the Book, Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east. 1916
So she took a barrier to separate her from them, so We sent Our Spirit to her, and he took on the shape of a human being in all similarity. 1917
We sent he our command ( the command was sent by the one who KAFALAH, as allah already said who was charged with her, it was Zakariah
The commmand sent with Zakariah to present for her her husband, who was not from the synagogue, for Miriam was bond to celibacy, and was frightenend from the Rabbis who abused all girls. see 1916
The messenger is Zakariah who gave her the news, he said that i am a messenger, meaning, bringing you a message from god, about a child
here she was amazed of these good news, and questioned what shall be done.
Here Zakariah telling her that it is a command from god, and it sall be done.
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peace loxbox13,
It is a pity you spent time making the above post when it contains no credible points, nothing that I would call evidence and certainly not "clear" as you claimed.
Each to their own.
sorry about it, i am convinced that Jesus was orn as naturel as anybody else, and these verses , contains key words
I admit that I am no expert and far from been good at explaining a point of view, for I am no teacher and don't have the gift to teach.
What I suggest is, study the word Rooh, and you will find out it doesn't mean spirit. at least not in the sens of christians and jews. study the word Ahsanat , for it doesn't mean freed, but married, study the word Lams , it doesn't mean sex, butlegal sex, etc...the story is veiled behind misconception of words, that beeen modified in the meaning with ahadiths etc...
If you like, I can post all the verses that contain the word rooh, and we keep this word transliterated with out translating it , so we can get to the true meaning of this word, and than we post the verses about Lams ..etc
it is not easy to see it, took me 4 months, when i saw it clearly, i was amazed, how hadiths are simply magic that play on the mind of people.
sorry if you didn't grasp it, but , can u point to what is unclear ?
salam bro
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Rouh is the Quran. the commands in it.
Peace loxbox13, your post is all over the place and contradicting every other sentence; don't really know where begin and suggest bringing one concise thought at a time and throughly resolving instead of plastering verses. Example, you wrote "Rouh is the Quran. the commands in it" which is contradicting ...
16102 Say, "Has brought it down ru l-qudusi (masculine noun) from your Lord
Thus cannot be "it" or Qur'an has brought down Qur'an?
Another example... You wrote "Zakariah giving the news and presenting her her husband"
342 And when said the angels, "O Maryam!...
Was it the angels and ruh or Zakariah who gave the news?
1917 Then We sent to her ran then he assumed for her the likeness (of) a man well-proportioned.
Was it ruhana or as you claim Zakariah or as you claim Qur'an assumed the likeness of a man?
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sorry if you didn't grasp it, but , can u point to what is unclear ?
Try bringing your strongest point forward, i.e. pick one word that does not mean what many think it to mean, according to you, and present your strongest evidence for it.
So we can see the strength/quality of your argument.
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Try bringing your strongest point forward, i.e. pick one word that does not mean what many think it to mean, according to you, and present your strongest evidence for it.
So we can see the strength/quality of your argument.
I will, gimme time to phrase my words correctly
exemple, i will bring the Evidence that Miriam didn't hear any angels in her life, not did she speak to any holy spirit. in other words, Miriam only received the news from Zakariah, and never received any revelation directly to her
the misconceptions are hereMiriam didn't receive any revelation
Miriam said i am not married nor doing anything Illegally
The answer for this, was it is easy for allah. therefore it is not talking about the foetus, but the command of all the process of her marriage to the conception.I will redo, but first, we have to clear the meaning of Rooh, so I will post the study of the word Rouh , and even Nafs, wich doesn't mean spirit, nor Soul. and than it become easy to see clear.
first attempt , i thaught it will be convincing , but my bet. i guess it is not clear, and it has to be clearer than this , because, the RIJSS on us is too big, and it was the works of centuries.
peace.
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Salaaman LB13, Wakas, all,
It is a pity you spent time making the above post when it contains no credible points, nothing that I would call evidence and certainly not "clear" as you claimed.
I have to agree with Wakas. Do not mix up everything together, lets analyse 359-60 now.
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359 The example of Jesus with Allah is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him Be and he was.
You missed the point here brother. With Allah Eisa (AS) is similar to Adam. Why Allah compared Eisa (AS) with Adam and why not with others, what is the exact similarity between them?
The explanation is in the same aayat
1- He created HIM from dust.
2- THEN He said to HIM be and he was.None of the creation fall under this procedure, look at how others are created
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225 O people, if you are in doubt as to the resurrection, then We have created you from dust, then from a seed, then from an embryo, then from a fetus developed and undeveloped so that We make it clear to you. And We settle in the wombs what We wish to an appointed time, then We bring you out a child, then you reach your maturity, and of you are those who will pass away, and of you are those who are sent to an old age where he will not be able to learn any new knowledge after what he already has. And you see the land still, but when We send down the water
Do you see the difference brother? After creating from dust "SUMMA" the procedure changed.
So, Allah said in the next aayat
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360 The truth is from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt.
Another evidence of similarity between Eisa (AS) and Adam is the Rooh was blown to give both life.
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1529 So when I evolve him, and blow from My Rooh in him, you shall yield to him.
The Rooh was blown to give Adam life.
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2191 And the one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her from Our Rooh, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
The Rooh was blown to give Eisa (AS) life.
InshaAllah, we will discuss other points also.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
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Loxbox, don't start with a conclusion i.e rooh means this, or rooh doesn't mean this. It's a trap. You'll end up seeing what you want to see.
- He created HIM from dust.
2- THEN He said to HIM be and he was.
None of the creation fall under this procedure, look at how others are created
False. We're all created 'from dust'. See 3020.
- He created HIM from dust.
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Salaam Jack,
Loxbox, don't start with a conclusion i.e rooh means this, or rooh doesn't mean this. It's a trap. You'll end up seeing what you want to see.
False. We're all created 'from dust'. See 3020.
Wow! You were suggesting Loxbox to not conclude anything, and you came up with the conclusion 'False' about my post? Good! Now please go through my post again. ;D
May Allah open our hearts to understand the truth pr
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Peace loxbox13, your post is all over the place and contradicting every other sentence; don't really know where begin and suggest bringing one concise thought at a time and throughly resolving instead of plastering verses. Example, you wrote "Rouh is the Quran. the commands in it" which is contradicting ...
16102 Say, "Has brought it down ru l-qudusi (masculine noun) from your Lord
Thus cannot be "it" or Qur'an has brought down Qur'an?
Another example... You wrote "Zakariah giving the news and presenting her her husband"
342 And when said the angels, "O Maryam!...
Was it the angels and ruh or Zakariah who gave the news?
1917 Then We sent to her ran then he assumed for her the likeness (of) a man well-proportioned.
Was it ruhana or as you claim Zakariah or as you claim Qur'an assumed the likeness of a man?
Salam brother
if you feel the quran isn't Rouh , than how do you explain this verse?And thus, We inspired to you a Rooh of Our command. You did not know what was the Book, nor what was faith. Yet, We made this a light to guide whoever We wish from among Our servants. Surely, you guide to a straight path. 4252
I didn't say the quran is THE rouh, but it is a Rooh , Actually it is not me who is saying it, it is verses 4252 and 1785 , and the other verses i posted under the Quran is rooh.
here is why the quran isn't The Rooh , but only a Rooh.
And they ask you concerning the Rooh. Say Rooh is from the command of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little. And if We wished, We would take away that which We have inspired to you. Then you would not find for yourself with it against Us a caretaker. 1785-86
The blue colered text, is the limits of the Quran, as a rooh, compared to the rooh
we have to study the word Rooh, there is nothing wrong with it, rooh is a word that is in the quran, and it is used everywhere, and even the quran is rooh , so to understand the birth of jesus, you have to realise that Rouh is the command , and it is not the rooh that looked like a man, the rooh is the command that was delievered by the messenger Zakariah.
the angels didn't speak to Miriam, if you read the verses of the angels giving news to miriam, it was when Zakariah was doing salat, re read again and you will realise that it was Zakariah who received this revelation , not Miriam, and Zakariah delivered the news to Miriam.
there is one more thing, the quran never said that jesus was born of a virgin , never, and never said he didn't have a father, it is only our interpretations, with influence of christians.through hadith
show me where god told us that miriam was virgin and never had sex marriage in the conception of jesus
it is contrary, in the arabic language, Ahsanat or Ahsana means marriage.( ( (
It was sent down with it the trusted Rooh. Upon your heart, so that you would be of the warners.. 26193-194
if you read this verse without anything in mind, any concept, you can see clearly that the quran is the trusted Rooh. that descended on the prophet's heart. if you can't see it, read it again. because you still thing that rouh is a spirit in the judeo-christian-hadiths concept.Possessor of the highest ranks, the One with the Throne. He sends the Rooh with His command upon whom He wills from His servants, that they may warn of the Day of Summoning.. 4015
As you see here, he's speaking about revelation to whom he choses as his messengers/prophets. in our case, God sent the quran to mohamed, because this Rouh they warn with it. and we know they warn with the book.
The angels and the Rooh come down in it with the permission of their Lord to carry out every command. 974
As you see this verse about the night of decree, we all know it tals about the quran, and rouh come down in the angels to the hearts of the messengers. many people here say how come Gabriel in the angels !!!! well, the quran comes down in the angels
The rouh Qudus , is the higest rank than the Quran, the Rooh Qudus is different,
for the roouh Qudus , make the believers steadfast, the rouh Qudus in the FIRM WORD OF ALLAH
Say The Rooh Qudus has brought it down from your Lord with the truth, so that God makes firm those who believe, and as a guidance and good news for those who have submitted 16102
compare with this verse
God makes firm those who believe with firm word in the worldly life, and in the Hereafter. And God misguides the wicked, and God does what He wishes. 1427
The quran is Rooh from Allah to guide us.
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And thus, We inspired to you a Rooh of Our command.
is the object of verb. Min does not connect with it. It connects with the elided adjective of the object. And elision is for reason of evident mention of it in the adjacent context.
And in the same manner We have communicated to you, the Messenger the Essence as verbal narration of Our Will/Decision/Command-the Book/Grand Qur'aan.
You were not in your past life in the habit of pursuing/wishing/inquisitive as to what is The Book and nor for acknowledging it.
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Say Rooh is from the command of my Lord
The above partial translation is some vague meanings of individual words and not of the Arabic sentence over it.
The first word is the subject and the later part is about the elided verb/predicate.
You, the Messenger pronounce, "The "Soul" is a blowing of the partial aspect/part from the Will of my Sustainer Lord".
"" -blowing, yields life.
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The above partial translation is some vague meanings of individual words and not of the Arabic sentence over it.
The first word is the subject and the later part is about the elided verb/predicate.
You, the Messenger pronounce, "The "Soul" is a blowing of the partial aspect/part from the Will of my Sustainer Lord".
"" -blowing, yields life.
But why do you translate Rouh to Soul ?
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peace loxbox13,
It is a pity you spent time making the above post when it contains no credible points, nothing that I would call evidence and certainly not "clear" as you claimed.
Each to their own.
still working on it , but i prefer to post verses so i continu while people correct me, instead of finishing the whole thing and no one reads it
anyway, here is what I believe, so you know where i'm going with all this.
not only Isa wasn't born of a virgin, we even know his father's name, and his brother.Miriam was at Risk, stresed because she was bond to Nunhood, and the Rabbis took advantage from this invention in religion, so they did what they want with the girls in the synagogue, while Miriam mission was to abolish the celibacy rule invented by the rabbis for their Lust.that is why God gave her to Zakariah .
This is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not with them when they drew straws as to which one of them will be charged with Mary; you were not with them when they disputed. 344
the proof that miriam didn't receive revelation, is that she received words of god and not Wahy, just like we receive the quran, but only mohamed received it as wahy , so miriam received the words of God and believed, through Zakariah.
And Mary, daughter of Imran, who locked her private part, so We blew into it from Our rooh, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Books; and she was of those who were dutiful. 6612 , 2191
So her Lord accepted her a good acceptance, and made her grow into a good growth, and charged Zachariah 369
The revelation Zakariah received , the announce of Yahya, and the announce that Miriam is gonna have Isa the massih and most of all Zakariah became a messenger of God
Zakariah received this verse first, as a messenger .
So the angels called to him while he was standing, making contact, in the temple enclosure God gives you glad tidings of John, authenticating the word from God, and a master, and steadfast, and a prophet from the upright 339
zakariah received this verse
And the angels said O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over all the women of the worlds. O Mary, be dutiful to your Lord and prostrate and kneel with those who kneel. 342-43
zakariah received this verse
And the angels said O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary. Honorable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close 345
And relate in the Book, Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east. 1916
God sent his command (rooh) with Zakariah, and she was afraid of him, for Zakariah was dressed nice and looking good. and because she didn't know yet that he became a messenger of god,
So she took a barrier to separate her from them, so We sent Our command to her, and he appeard as man in all respect 1917
She was afraid, and she seeked refuge from ALRAHMAN , and didn't say Allah, for she was speaking with a man who know god.
She said I seek refuge with AlRahman from you if you are righteous 1918
He announced to her that he is a messenger from god, after getting the announce himself, The only messenger in that time was Zakariah
He said I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you the gift of a pure son. 1919
Amazed at this news of a baby, and she says that how come , she is not married nor she's unchaste .
She said How can I have a son when no human being has been with me, nor have I desired such? 1920
He told her about the revelation, of the Lord.and the whole process will be done.
He said It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for the people and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained. 1921
It looks that Isa was the son of Zakariah, and he was the brother of Yahya, that is why yahya and Isa had the same caracteristics. the marriage of Zakariah to Miriam, is a test for bani Israel Rabbis.
Zakariah was the leader, and prayed for someone to inherit him, and it was Isa who inherited the leadership.
it even look like yahya was a minister for Isa just like Haroun was for Moses. for he was a prophet and not a messenger.
God gives you glad tidings of Yahya, authenticating the word from God, and a master, and steadfast, and a prophet from the upright 339
To all those who get deep feeling and belief in virgin birth, the quran didn't say anything like that at all. didn't mention the word virgin , no did he say she conceived while she was virgin, to the contrary , after the messenger of god told her that he was gonna make a baby for her , and it is through marriage of course, that is why the quran say Ahsanat farajaha , meaning she locked her chastity , or protected herself through WedLock.
Zakariah assisted at Yahya birth, and propably didn't assist Isa birth, that is why he wasn't there to protect her from the rabbis when they disputed with Miriam about the baby. therefore Isa is a test and his mother, do u believe he was a regular normal man, or a fatherless man therefore avey hypothesis is possible. ( she abolished sisterhood, and Isa abolish all religions based on virgin birth , once you realise he wasn't born of a virgin )
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And Zachariah when he called out to his Lord My Lord, do not leave me without an heir, and You are the best inheritor.
2190 So We responded to him, and We granted him Yahya, and We cured his wife. They used to hasten to do good, and they would call to Us in joy and in fear. And of Us they were reverent. And the one who locked her chastity, so We blew into her from Our rooh, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds. 2190-91
