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Jesus, Virgin Births, Miracles, Symbolisms.

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    Raaajah
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    The father of Isa was Unknown to the Rabbis, that is why they accused her !
    the husband of Miriam propably died, or left her , Allah knows how did it happened,

    Then What a story build on conjecture and hearsay by you!

    They are exactly the same.

    You just keep following the stories like Mary was married to Joseph the carpenter
    she was married to Joseph as a wife and after Christ he had normal relations with her and produced four sons names Jacob (called James) Judah or Jude, Simon and Joseph who was named after him. Mariam was the mother of Christ. Maria was his auntie who married Clophas. She also had a number of children including James the lesser or Little James (Jacob). They were all younger than Christ, which is the reason Mariam was placed in the care of John at the Crucifixion. Jacob called James by us wrote the book of James and chaired the Acts conference, being bishop of Jerusalem. He was martyred in 63 CE. He was succeeded by Symeon his and Christs cousin. Jude wrote the book of that name in the Bible. The story of their family is told in the paper The Virgin Mariam and the Family of Jesus Christ (No. 232).

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      Then What a story build on conjecture and hearsay by you!

      They are exactly the same.

      You just keep following the stories like Mary was married to Joseph the carpenter
      she was married to Joseph as a wife and after Christ he had normal relations with her and produced four sons names Jacob (called James) Judah or Jude, Simon and Joseph who was named after him. Mariam was the mother of Christ. Maria was his auntie who married Clophas. She also had a number of children including James the lesser or Little James (Jacob). They were all younger than Christ, which is the reason Mariam was placed in the care of John at the Crucifixion. Jacob called James by us wrote the book of James and chaired the Acts conference, being bishop of Jerusalem. He was martyred in 63 CE. He was succeeded by Symeon his and Christs cousin. Jude wrote the book of that name in the Bible. The story of their family is told in the paper The Virgin Mariam and the Family of Jesus Christ (No. 232).

      I don't believe a bit of the biography of prophet mohamed written by hearesay, and you want me to believe in the mumbo jumbo story of Jesus written also by hearesay !!!
      Isa is not Jesus , it's as simple as that.

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        Raaajah
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        Isa is not Jesus , it's as simple as that.

        Not that is not that simple at all, it needs evidence dear brother, and what you have presented are much weaker contrary to presented against you.

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          Mazhar
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          The unprecedented birth of Easa alahissalam is so unimbiguously mentioned in Grand Qur'aan that except pseudo intellectuals none misses the fact. Syeda Maryam had also the same perception and understanding that a son is born to a woman only when she "meets" a man. This is what is called the perception of causality.

          Here is the statement of Qur'aan in sequence about this epidsode, in Urdu, which I have pasted from my InPage pages.

          a sample page

          http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/URDU%20ARTICLES%20INDEX/Jesus%20Return/Virgin.gif

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            hope4
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            Selam

            You may find this thread interesting as it is related to this topic http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599509.0

            Peace

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              Raaajah
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              hope4,

              The weak edifice of pazzazu's argument is built on the conjecture that Haroon(AS) was the same Haroon(AS) who was brother of Musa (AS).
              If she was the sister of Musa(AS) why not call her sister of MUsa(AS) instead of sister of Haroon?

              Sorry but not buying this one.

              In addition to that an excellent read is the page referred by Mazhar Sahib.

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                loxbox13
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                hope4,

                The weak edifice of pazzazu's argument is built on the conjecture that Haroon(AS) was the same Haroon(AS) who was brother of Musa (AS).
                If she was the sister of Musa(AS) why not call her sister of MUsa(AS) instead of sister of Haroon?

                Sorry but not buying this one.

                In addition to that an excellent read is the page referred by Mazhar Sahib.

                Moussa was a messengerat the qge of 40 , and he prayed for his brtother to be a prophet wih him, so imagine, Haroun was older or younger than Moussa ? if al mesenger were attributed the mission at the age 40 , than Haroun must be over 40, therefore older than moussa, and of course, Miriam is sister of Haroun because he was the elder of the family.
                you are juging everyone is worong because they don't comply with your belief, and calling everyone else conjoncture, whine pretending you're the only one who is speaking with proof, even though, you can't prouve that miriam was virgin, except you interpreting therefore your conjocture
                one think is for sure, the quran didn't say Isa didn't have a biological father, and didn't say Miriam was virgine when conceived, except in interpretations.

                Allah knows best

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                  Raaajah
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                  Moussa was a messengerat the qge of 40 , and he prayed for his brtother to be a prophet wih him, so imagine, Haroun was older or younger than Moussa ? if al mesenger were attributed the mission at the age 40 , than Haroun must be over 40, therefore older than moussa, and of course, Miriam is sister of Haroun because he was the elder of the family.

                  Your above quote is great example of what I am saying?
                  Mussa (AS) = 40
                  Imagine=younger or older
                  thus Miriam is sister of Haroun

                  Hence proved. hmm

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                    shadowpuppet
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                    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestal_Virgin

                    Which sort of virgin are we talking about?

                    http//www.kornbluthphoto.com/images/Messalina.jpg
                    Messalina & Britannicus

                    http//www.commercialdivingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/dive-in-alexandria-212x300.jpg

                    (Incidentally, I think this may be a male holding the child. Of course that could very well be a lie.
                    It comes from the ruins of Alexandria, c. Cleopatra VII.)

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                      shadowpuppet
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                      Here is a symbol.

                      http//tars.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Russian/sinsav.jpg

                      It is a Hindu mudra.

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