Masturbation
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Peace Mouad;
"Say My Lord has only prohibited indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed..."
Qur'an 733
Obviously only do it when you really need to. If one's faith and remembrance is strong enough to quell all but the more potent urges, that is good. When you do so, you should do it for the sole purpose of release and not for enjoyment. Perhaps if you are married and you think just of your wife... Anyway there is no punishment against it (just like alcohol, it is between the person and Allah (SWT)).
Thinking ISNT Haram, nor masturbating, nor masturbating while thinking for someone you're not married to, you dont get accounted for what you think, and you can also do it for enjoyment, no where in Quran it tells us to never do anything enjoyable.
example thinking of sex with someone you're not married to while masturbating, even if you're doing it for enjoyment isn't haram, as long as it wasn't your intention to do what you thought If you could do that thing but you was just thinking Ahh, what if... would be amazing if it wasn't haram ( and i could do it).
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exegetical masturbation beware ...
(hey what's that search button for again?)
rotfl dw youll get your memory back in a while laugh
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Thinking ISNT Haram, nor masturbating, nor masturbating while thinking for someone you're not married to, you dont get accounted for what you think, and you can also do it for enjoyment, no where in Quran it tells us to never do anything enjoyable.
example thinking of sex with someone you're not married to while masturbating, even if you're doing it for enjoyment isn't haram, as long as it wasn't your intention to do what you thought If you could do that thing but you was just thinking Ahh, what if... would be amazing if it wasn't haram ( and i could do it).
"Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then He will forgive whom He pleases and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things."
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"Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then He will forgive whom He pleases and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things."
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That doesn't mean thinking is haram, im not sure which verse but when i read the Quran one day i saw that after Muhammad's ummah told him that they will go to hell because they can't keep their thinking, an ayah came down that made thinking unaccountable, you don't get accounted for what you think, that verse ment like if you've done a haram(with actions not thinking) and kept it in your mind and you hided it from others, you will still be accounted for it because you cannot hide from Allah.
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That doesn't mean thinking is haram, im not sure which verse but when i read the Quran one day i saw that after Muhammad's ummah told him that they will go to hell because they can't keep their thinking, an ayah came down that made thinking unaccountable, you don't get accounted for what you think, that verse ment like if you've done a haram(with actions not thinking) and kept it in your mind and you hided it from others, you will still be accounted for it because you cannot hide from Allah.
You are perhaps thinking of verse 2286?
Regardless, the thought is a part of the masturbation, and as a whole it is a deed (because you let yourself think it and encourage yourself via volunteering the act). The companions of the Prophet (SAW) were not worrying about their thoughts during this act were they? In essence you would be giving yourself the desire, and arguably the thought itself (prohibited or not) is what would make the act "lewd".
Finally, we should not judge by ahadith. Find the verse if you can.
AllahHafiz
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I should ask this
What is the acceptable limit of masturbation per day/week/month etc. according to your understanding (considering that you may think of anyone)? I provided my own.
"Surely Allah will make those who believe and do good enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; and those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as the beasts eat, and the fire is their abode."
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Anyway peace.
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I should ask this
What is the acceptable limit of masturbation per day/week/month etc. according to your understanding (considering that you may think of anyone)? I provided my own.
"Surely Allah will make those who believe and do good enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; and those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as the beasts eat, and the fire is their abode."
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Anyway peace.
Once in two weeks or more if you can't keep your desires.
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You are perhaps thinking of verse 2286?
Regardless, the thought is a part of the masturbation, and as a whole it is a deed (because you let yourself think it and encourage yourself via volunteering the act). The companions of the Prophet (SAW) were not worrying about their thoughts during this act were they? In essence you would be giving yourself the desire, and arguably the thought itself (prohibited or not) is what would make the act "lewd".
Finally, we should not judge by ahadith. Find the verse if you can.
AllahHafiz
Nowhere in Quran thinking bad stuff is mentioned to be haram, it is a natural, if it was haram everyone would go to hell, its EXTREMELY hard trying to not think about haram, and you're alone there in a room, if you're close to "lewdness" what are you gonna do? Have sex with the couch?
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Two comments
1.) Notice that almost all the comments are from men? o I am sure women masturbate too. o The sex toy industry (which is in the billions) counts on those women. o
2.) If it were explicitly haram then the Quran would say so, explicitly. For example, pork is haram because it explicitly says don't eat it. However masturbation is already associated with a lot of guilt for many reasons. But I don't think it is haram. Besides it can serve a good purpose. It can keep you from becoming so frustrated that you lash out at people or take desires too far. I guess some people think that masturbation increases your desire to do something haram. I think masturbation reduces those desires since you have an outlet for those desires. And as an added benefit it harms no one.
In Judaism any thoughts are not a sin. Only carrying out those thoughts may be sinful, but the thought is not a sin. And if it doesn't hurt anyone or cause any loss to anyone I can't imagine Allah would have it high on his list of sins. Besides if it were on the top of the list of sins, then the Quran would explicitly say it.
Just my thoughts.
JewishDude
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peace -
Two comments
1.) Notice that almost all the comments are from men? I am sure women masturbate too. The sex toy industry (which is in the billions) counts on those women.
2.) If it were explicitly haram then the Quran would say so, explicitly. For example, pork is haram because it explicitly says don't eat it. However masturbation is already associated with a lot of guilt for many reasons. But I don't think it is haram. Besides it can serve a good purpose. It can keep you from becoming so frustrated that you lash out at people or take desires too far. I guess some people think that masturbation increases your desire to do something haram. I think masturbation reduces those desires since you have an outlet for those desires. And as an added benefit it harms no one.
In Judaism any thoughts are not a sin. Only carrying out those thoughts may be sinful, but the thought is not a sin. And if it doesn't hurt anyone or cause any loss to anyone I can't imagine Allah would have it high on his list of sins. Besides if it were on the top of the list of sins, then the Quran would explicitly say it.
Just my thoughts.
JewishDude
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peaceI agree, but i don't find it reasonable for thinking to be haram and its not Quran prohibited so yeah
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Although I am unsure where you found the 1 week in the Qur'an?
If thinking is not an accountable action, are hypocrites/pretenders going to Heaven?
Peace.
Thats a different case, you see, hypocrites and pretenders have the intention to damage a particular thing, but most persons get horny and its a natural thing so thinking about it is not haram, its your fantasies.
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Salam all
alhamdulillah to be back. Layth thank you for resetting my password.
Now to the issue on masturbation.
You really can't find any verse that says in no uncertain tems that masturbation is forbidden, but we should be guided by al qur'an's 2187
2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to
approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and
you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray
your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you;
now you may approach them and seek what God has written for
you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct
from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast
until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in
the temples. These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress
them. It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people
who they may be righteous.I'd like to draw your attention to the line "now you may approach them and seek what God has written for
you."Isn't it clear and detailed enough that God wants us to approach our wife to seek what He has written for us?
Doesn't it breeds hypocrisy towards this verse (thus towards God) if one uses a condom, have sex with one's pregnant wife, have anal sex, and/or masturbate? Perhaps, I don't need to add having sex with animals because clearly sexual intercourse is for procreation. Masturbation does not serve procreation.
But what about those who are single? Let us hear and obey God
2432 And marry off those among you that are single, and the good
from among your male and female servants. If they are poor, then
God will grant them from His grace. And God is Encompassing,
Knowledgeable.
2433 And let those who are not able to marry continue to be chaste
until God enriches them of His Bounty. And if those who are
maintained by your oaths seek to consummate the marriage, then
document it with them if you find that they are ready, and give
them from the wealth of God which He has bestowed upon you.
And do not force your young women to need if they have desired
to be independent, in order that you may make a gain in the goods
of this worldly life. And if anyone has compelled them, then for
their compulsion, God is Forgiving, Merciful.I have underlined the line that matters.
Indeed, salat and patience is the key.
244 Do you exhort the people to do good, but forget yourselves, while
you are reciting the Book? Do you not comprehend?
245 And seek help through patience and through the salat.
It is a difficult thing, but not so for the humble.
246 The ones who conceive that they will meet their Lord and that to
Him they will return.Ramon
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Salam all
alhamdulillah to be back. Layth thank you for resetting my password.
Now to the issue on masturbation.
You really can't find any verse that says in no uncertain tems that masturbation is forbidden, but we should be guided by al qur'an's 2187
2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to
approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and
you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray
your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you;
now you may approach them and seek what God has written for
you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct
from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast
until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in
the temples. These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress
them. It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people
who they may be righteous.I'd like to draw your attention to the line "now you may approach them and seek what God has written for
you."Isn't it clear and detailed enough that God wants us to approach our wife to seek what He has written for us?
Doesn't it breeds hypocrisy towards this verse (thus towards God) if one uses a condom, have sex with one's pregnant wife, have anal sex, and/or masturbate? Perhaps, I don't need to add having sex with animals because clearly sexual intercourse is for procreation. Masturbation does not serve procreation.
But what about those who are single? Let us hear and obey God
2432 And marry off those among you that are single, and the good
from among your male and female servants. If they are poor, then
God will grant them from His grace. And God is Encompassing,
Knowledgeable.
2433 And let those who are not able to marry continue to be chaste
until God enriches them of His Bounty. And if those who are
maintained by your oaths seek to consummate the marriage, then
document it with them if you find that they are ready, and give
them from the wealth of God which He has bestowed upon you.
And do not force your young women to need if they have desired
to be independent, in order that you may make a gain in the goods
of this worldly life. And if anyone has compelled them, then for
their compulsion, God is Forgiving, Merciful.I have underlined the line that matters.
Indeed, salat and patience is the key.
244 Do you exhort the people to do good, but forget yourselves, while
you are reciting the Book? Do you not comprehend?
245 And seek help through patience and through the salat.
It is a difficult thing, but not so for the humble.
246 The ones who conceive that they will meet their Lord and that to
Him they will return.Ramon
Masturbating is not discontinuing to be chaste. And the verse about wifes was that you can approach them after you got "married" to them, there's no point for masturbating to be haram unless you overdo it and damage your body by loosing zinc. And salat cant solve everything, anyway masturbating isn't haram, infact in my opinion is halal because it removes your horniness, its also part of your body, you can do anything with it as long as you don't damage it for a reason or show it to others that aren't your spouse. Argue to seek the truth, not just for the sake of argument, using verses that have nothing to do with this case.
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Masturbating is not discontinuing to be chaste. And the verse about wifes was that you can approach them after you got "married" to them, there's no point for masturbating to be haram unless you overdo it and damage your body by loosing zinc. And salat cant solve everything, anyway masturbating isn't haram, infact in my opinion is halal because it removes your horniness, its also part of your body, you can do anything with it as long as you don't damage it for a reason or show it to others that aren't your spouse. Argue to seek the truth, not just for the sake of argument, using verses that have nothing to do with this case.
With all respect I do not think any serious Muslim will take this seriously. Firstly you cannot justify why you picked once per week as the minimum rate of masturbation, secondly you are saying that intentional lewd thoughts with people to whom you have no relation are not haram and thirdly you are saying that not only is masturbation for the sake of pleasure not haram, it is halal. Please read the first ayah that I posted again and tell me seriously that masturbation and not only that but with intentional carnal thoughts is not prohibited? Unintentional and brief thoughts are forgiveable, but intentional carnal thoughts which can otherwise be quelled by salaat and REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH (SWT) are not in any way Islamic (nor have you provided any proof).
You say hypocrites are different, but Allah (SWT) warns us against being sluggish in prayer and I see no difference between being sluggish in avoiding what you label halal (i.e. masturbation) and that.
Finally you agreed that we should only do it when when we absolutely have to, but unless you can justify why one week is allowable, there is no argument.
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Salaam.
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With all respect I do not think any serious Muslim will take this seriously. Firstly you cannot justify why you picked once per week as the minimum rate of masturbation, secondly you are saying that intentional lewd thoughts with people to whom you have no relation are not haram and thirdly you are saying that not only is masturbation for the sake of pleasure not haram, it is halal. Please read the first ayah that I posted again and tell me seriously that masturbation and not only that but with intentional carnal thoughts is not prohibited? Unintentional and brief thoughts are forgiveable, but intentional carnal thoughts which can otherwise be quelled by salaat and REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH (SWT) are not in any way Islamic (nor have you provided any proof).
You say hypocrites are different, but Allah (SWT) warns us against being sluggish in prayer and I see no difference between being sluggish in avoiding what you label halal (i.e. masturbation) and that.
Finally you agreed that we should only do it when when we absolutely have to, but unless you can justify why one week is allowable, there is no argument.
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Salaam.
Give me the verse where masturbation is prohibited? IF it isnt prohibited in Quran its not haram, and i said once in 2 weeks, because i saw in a place scientists say so and naturally in wed dreams you get 1 in 2 weeks, and it can be done for pleasure its no harm to anyone and no reason to be haram.
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This is the first verse you posted i think
"Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then He will forgive whom He pleases and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things."
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Ill give you an example of this
Guy number 1 kills Guy number 2, but nobody knows that he did it except himself and Allah, so he is hiding it from others on his mind, he knows he did it, but he will get accounted for it because Allah knows everything, whats in hearts and ALL, EVERYTHING. That in no freaking way means fantasies are haram. If you're really still thinking different you must be clearly freaking stupid, anyway im done with this topic, its making me mad talking to someone who cant even logic well also there are other Masturbation topics clarified why masturbation isn't haram. And a tip do not prohibit what Allah hasn't and logic a little, don't argue just because you want to win in the end. I'm tired and frustrated explaining that imaginations aren't haram but the act, OOOH, just a sec... if i imagine myself doing good deeds for 300 years will that count!?!??!? Just the thought that thoughts are haram is stupid, nonsense and baseless, I'm suprised how can anyone be so hardcore to think that, this is more hardcore then salafi opinions about what is haram and halal and obligatory. I've also seen in one place that people think once in 15 seconds about sex, in that case we're all doomed to hell, nobody can control his thought, its preety hard to. You seem nice and all i just find that the idea of thinking to be haram very lame.
Peace.