We are certainly not equal in rank with them.
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I am reading this verse, I am not seeing anything reason to link these people to what you call "Muhammeds companions."
First of all I reject the term, and believe Mohammed acted on his own, purely doing gods will, without "companions". I don't believe in any semi-romantic relationship between Mohammed and other men. He gave orders at a purely platonic level. I don't believe in any idolization or hero-worship of Mohammed, except by the deviant. God Alone is what is to be worshipped (loved/praised). People who believe in this deviant love for Mohammed, and the companions, are astray.
To believe that a group of believers are exalted above another group of believers, for eternity, is absurd. This means the modern day gnostic, which has the highest knowledge, is suppsedly lower in rank, than a simple believer, who has no such insight. You, Mazhar, do not understand The Quran.
It's easier to embrace a teaching, after a victory in it's favour than after. Therefore the believers before the victory, talking about locally, are exalted, over those after. LOCALLY. This is not world-wide. A gnostic at the same period in say, Africa, will still have a higher level of exaltation than say, these believers, who have no such knowledge. A man of high rank, is still a man of high rank, everywhere in the world, regardless of this verse.I think you shouldn't worry too much about it, who is exalted and not. EXALTATION IS WITH GOD ALONE. It doesn't matter what you claim, but it only matters what position GOD has put you in.
And I suggest you stop being an obnoxious think-you-know something, because that will surely de-exalt you. Offensive idiots, aren't in high position.
My thinking is same.
siki
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You, Mazhar, do not understand The Quran.
Mazhar , salam
I would modify the quoted comment by paradox,
" You understand Quran in the light of Hadith stories and hence make "GROSS additions" from your own side in the translations that you create"
Thats not Good, brother.
siki
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What's even more gross, is that by his argument, companions, correctly or falsely doing or saying offensive things, in hadith, are exalted above later believers, no matter what. If that is not shaytan-cultivation.
So the next time a "companion" pisses or shits in hadith, he is your superior.
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Mazhar , salam
I would modify the quoted comment by paradox,
" You understand Quran in the light of Hadith stories and hence make "GROSS additions" from your own side in the translations that you create"
Thats not Good, brother.
siki
It seems a coverage story. The Arabic text is there and analysed word by word. If you could find some other meanings you are welcome to narrate those. "I think" sort of things are but rubbish.
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Lol, apparently analysing things to bits, isn't helping you. Actually I see that, atleast with some frequency, on this forum.
"Fill your heart with the love for Mohammed and the companions". Is what I heard on a sunni-forum.
I argued that one should worship God alone. And I was banned.Your argument seems to go in the direction that Mohammed and "his companions", or should one use a better phrase, early followers of the Quran, are somehow to be imitated, because they were superior. Just like the idolater, who wants to be like his popstar. He dresses like him, he talks like him. And the stranger would also eat with one hand, if idol did so, or even urinate or even more offensive things, as his idol.
The concept of learning to think, is not present here. If you cannot think, how can you know where transgression lies? And this is exactly the idolaters problem, he transgresses if his idol does so.
And if the hadith text depicts a deviant person, we are supposedly do "fill our hearts with love" for them? Can you not see the deviance? Tell me, what kind of people writes down texts, about a holy person like Mohammed, that contains, offensive content? Do you not know when you transgress? And this is why I say, you do not understand the Quran. The Quran read many times, and followed, can only be seen as a way of trying to inspire and learn about natural boundaries, one does not cross. Indeed, when you read about the transgressors of the Quran, who are they to you? Do you even understand the concept? Are are you just sitting there like a furnace loving "Mohammed & companions", thinking that earns you paradise, or has something to do with Islam?I could say many things about this, but I'll leave it with what comes first to mind.
Peace.
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Your argument seems to go in the direction that Mohammed and "his companions", or should one use a better phrase, early followers of the Quran, are somehow to be imitated, because they were superior. Just like the idolater, who wants to be like his popstar. He dresses like him, he talks like him. And the stranger would also eat with one hand, if idol did so, or even urinate or even more offensive things, as his idol.
It is an irrelevant talk, reflective of an agitated and scattered mind. Every person lives in time frame and obviously has the company of other people. And the people in someone's company or in the same time-frame and space are called and referred by the word "companions".
Allah, the Exalted has declared in simple words that the believers of the time before occurrence of certain event are greater than the believers in time-line after that event. This is the recognition and appreciation by Allah, the Exalted for those persons. Iblees is he who does not accept the verdict and judgment of Allah, the Exalted.
We are certainly not equal in rank with them.
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It is an irrelevant talk, reflective of an agitated and scattered mind. Every person lives in time frame and obviously has the company of other people. And the people in someone's company or in the same time-frame and space are called and referred by the word "companions".
Allah, the Exalted has declared in simple words that the believers of the time before occurrence of certain event are greater than the believers in time-line after that event. This is the recognition and appreciation by Allah, the Exalted for those persons. Iblees is he who does not accept the verdict and judgment of Allah, the Exalted.
We are certainly not equal in rank with them.
There has been believers and wars all over the world, Mazhar.
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It seems a coverage story. The Arabic text is there and analysed word by word. If you could find some other meanings you are welcome to narrate those. "I think" sort of things are but rubbish.
That is why i am asking you , there is no arabic word Mecca here in this aya, you have added it from your own side.
why?
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I gave you the link, perhaps you have not seen it. Pl see it and negate it with some argument.
2.1 Event is The Conquest of Mecca.
I had seen that, but i don't see any relevance. Nowhere in this aya Quran talks about your theory.
Kindly show me here in sura 48 what you are boasting. If God wanted to convey what you are alleging, HE could have mentioned that here in 48.
siki
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I had seen that, but i don't see any relevance. Nowhere in this aya Quran talks about your theory.
Kindly show me here in sura 48 what you are boasting. If God wanted to convey what you are alleging, HE could have mentioned that here in 48.
siki
This shows that you even did not give thought to the word irself-Al-Fathe. It denotes conquest of a particular land/city/country not abstract victory in your imagination. It refers to a hard ground reality.
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Allah, the Exalted has classified the Believers of Mohammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam and the Grand Qur'aan in two groups. The classification is with reference to the Event of the Conquest of the Sanctified City of Mecca. The Believers, men and women, of the period immediately before this Event are the First Group and are declared as the great over all others, the other Group, who became or become believers after that Event. This greatness is with reference to their elevated Rank and position over all other believers of Mohammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam and the Grand Qur'aan, in time and space.
Salaam
I have been reading this threat and couldn't help joining in as this is a very valid reference to rejection of hediths.
All profits had helper or companions for example Mosa(AS) had his brother Haroon to help him and Isa (AS) had Hawareen so did Mahmud(PBUHH). Their companion are held in high regard not because they had more intelligence than the later generation but that these people were among the first believer and it was their faith in the messenger of their time that gave support and backing to messengers.
When Quran mentions those companions that should show the later generation that those companions held high ranks, after the death of the prophet carried on with deen as taught by the prophet yet they never passed on or recorded any hediths/saying of the prophet.The object is not to narrate their stories or idolize them but to convey the message that people around prophet of their time carried on practicing according to the sunnah of the prophet. There is a huge difference between sunnah and hadith and I hope people grasp the difference.
Here on free minds people are struggling to understand message of the Quran which was made easy to us through the practice of the Prophet, as he were chosen to convey the message he had ability to apply the message in practice so Prophet Mohammad knew exactly how and when to start fasting and this tradition was followed by his close companions after his death.
Simpls
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Intelligence.. It?s strange how someone can posess the intelligence to pick apart the Quran semantically, and still not understand a word it says.
I once met a christian like this. He understood God, to the point of transcendence. However, even if the same phrases were used in the Quran, he continued claiming it was a "moon God".Just a little test for Mazhar. Who is the more exalted, companion, or noncompanion fighting a parallel war under a parallel messenger. You are aware of the quranic statement "all people have had their messengers". So who is the better? And who is the better from earlier believers, the messengers are not at odds. Say from Adams time, there were probably wars aswell then. Who are the better? What if there are wars in current time, are they below the companions?
This would explode his thinking I guess, if he were to answer right.
But all he can do is overlook it, and be annoying, and pretend it`s not there.
"Those who provoked your anger". Yes, this is provocative and pretensious behaviour. Just like imitating someone else.Imagine the grossness felt by the real early followers of the Quran, if they knew this deviant love, existed for them. Ofcourse it can barely be said that Hadith truthfully depicts anyone from that time so.. I scratch my head. Going from the excellent Quran, to rubbish writings, and not telling the difference.
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This shows that you even did not give thought to the word irself-Al-Fathe. It denotes conquest of a particular land/city/country not abstract victory in your imagination. It refers to a hard ground reality.
Mazhar , salalm.
Is the word Al fatah (conquest) only used for Fatah e Mecca in Arabic ?Brother , there couldnt be a better depiction of you than what paradox has summed up below.
Intelligence.. It?s strange how someone can posess the intelligence to pick apart the Quran semantically, and still not understand a word it says.
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Mazhar , salalm.
Is the word Al fatah (conquest) only used for Fatah e Mecca in Arabic ?Brother , there couldnt be a better depiction of you than what paradox has summed up below.
That is the fault-line which is not permitting you to perceive simple things. Al-Fateh does not mean "conquest". The word, Fateh, placed solitary in a dictionary means "victory, conquest". When it is spoken in a context with "Al" prefixed it refers and signifies only a specific event of conquest, known both to the Speaker and Listener.
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That is the fault-line which is not permitting you to perceive simple things. Al-Fateh does not mean "conquest". The word, Fateh, placed solitary in a dictionary means "victory, conquest". When it is spoken in a context with "Al" prefixed it refers and signifies only a specific event of conquest, known both to the Speaker and Listener.
I dont find " Al fatah" ( The conquest) in sura 48 in connection to Fatah e mecca anywhere, all it is saying is
we gave you victory (fatah) indeed a clear great victory (fatahan mubeena)
siki
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You made it Al fatah, i accept your logic and ask you to show me Al with fatah, you tell me 48-24,27, but i dont find it there , and ask you again , and this time you reply me with learn grammer regarding AL ???, what are you trying? brickwall
I am asking you again where is " AL" in 48-24, 27 as per your assertion, kindly post the ayas in original arabic text and show me