Scholarly article proves earliest Muslims only did salat twice per day!
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I read u were saying 5 salat with a verse, and u didn't show any verse that speaks clearly about 5 salats
the fajr and isha are mentionned by name in the quranwho did bring down the law of how many times we perform salat and how to do it ? it must be Allah , for he show us how to pray, how do we know? through his book that he sent with prophet mohamed
In the hearafter we're gonna take account about the verses of allah if we followed or abandonned, and in tthe book of god two salats are mentionned without others , who do we believe, what we found our forefathers doing or what is in the book of allah ?
By the way, many think salat is not detailed in the quran, it is actually detailed 100% , just as wudu
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Salaam all,
Abu Bakar learned salat from Prophet Muhammad. And people learned salat from him.
Who is Abu Bakar???
Salaat, the most important ritual was taught to an unknown person by Prophet Mohammed, about whom Allah did say anything? Not even took his name in AlQuraan?
But bukhari know him well I think... from where? sorry I don't know his source.
May Allah open our hearts to understand and accept the truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
peace,
I thought this is fairly well known amongst members. It's been discussed on the forum. This was actually one of the most disturbing things I have researched in my study of Islam. I recommend anyone to study up on the Kaba structure and the rituals associated with it and you may be shocked to discover they are almost entirely pagan in origin (the shape, its orientation, the cloth over it, the black stone, kissing of it, its position, its enclosure, spinning around it etc), and also the Traditional Hajj rituals. It is argued however that pagans also done them but that's because they corrupted their true meanings and practice and this was corrected/purified by Quran/Muhammad/etc.
This has largely already been done in the works of Ignaz Goldziher, Joseph Schacht, GHA Juynboll, Fazlur Rahman, John Burton, Patricia Crone, Michael Cook, John Wansbrough, William Montgomery Watt, Norman Calder, Daniel Brown, Aisha Musa, Sir Sayed Ahmed Khan, Kassim Ahmad, Parwez and many many many more. Taken collectively, these works tear into Traditional Ahadith like you would not believe and give a ton of interesting info, even I was surprised by some of it. There is so much info out there. People really need to spread it.
Here is something that might surprise people, in perhaps the most recent hadith overview book written (2009), Jonathon Brown (regarded as a Traditional Muslim scholar) states "Islamic modernism and its 'Quran only' trend have thrived among Western Muslim scholars" and I don't see that trend slowing anytime soon.
I strongly recommend you read this summary by Herbert Berg
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601291.0Make no mistake about it, this is not about Traditional Islam V Quranists, this is about Traditional Islam V Information Age. Whoever puts the most quality info out there will triumph. In the past, Saudi Arabia with its Wahabi Islam and others who relied on feeding the masses one-sided info to maintain the status quo had the great share of the ouput of info, but in the Information Age with the rise of the internet, the output is turning heavily in our favour.
That is why I urge everyone to keep spreading the info. It is really easy with my practical methods, no experience necessary, just spare-time. If you want to take action, personal message me. If you prefer pipe dreams, dont message me.
Wakas, where di you get that quote by Johnathan Brown about Quranic persuasion spreading
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I have given you the Quranic proof that clearly said Allah taught salat to Imams and we are to learn salat from the Imam. You refuse to accept Allah?s words, you are disregarding Allah?s revelation, you are not taking heed. This is your problem!!
2458 O you with trust! (Not only the "imams"...) Let those whom are under your contract and have not yet attained puberty request your permission regarding three times Before the dawn bond, and when you take off your attire from the heat of the noon, and after the evening bond. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
Why would God only mention 2 salat timings here (if there were indeed 5 enjoined on the believers per day)?
Are you saying Abu Bakar mislead us by praying different than Prophet Muhammad OR
Are you saying Uthman mislead us OR
Are you saying Uthman?s follower did it OR
Are you saying his follower did it ORAre you a follower of the quran alone for islam or a follower of Abu Bakr, a follower of a follower of Uthman, etc??!
Five salat timing and salat structure is preserved. Likewise Ramadan and other rituals are preserved as well.
Yes... that's why God bothered to tell us about salat and Ramadan in the quran..
I just identified the categories. You are the one making an issue out of it, giving people the impression that you are a bad thinker. If it does not apply to you then you should not dwell on it.
Allah seals the heart of ill thinking people so that they cannot understand the Quran.I am pretty sure that most, if not all, people here think that you are a bad thinker..
There you go again POM POM lady. I always knew who the Imams were in the verse 2173. And my writing is consistent with the verse. You did not comprehend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is your oxygen deprived brain that equated Imam to some mad man. Bukhari wins big on this one. Bukhari is proud of you. He thanks you.
Can someone create a facepalm emoticon, even if we just have to use it for guest?
Read 436, guest. -
Now available in word text file
www.islam-and-muslims.com/MORNING-EVENING-PRAYERS-EARLY-ISLAM.docx (right click, save as) -
11114 And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night For those things, that are good remove those that are evil Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember.
^^ 3 times a day.
Peace! peace
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There are three prayertimes in the Quran.
#1,#2,#3 i 011.114, 017.078
#1 i 017.079
#1, #2 i 050.039
#1, #3 i 024.058, 030.017, 024.036, 076.025
#2, #3 i 030.018, 038.018
#1, #2, #3, #1, #2 i 020.130 (#1 & #2 is repeated, notice, praise, is repeated.) -
peace HIIS, PU,
Number of salat per day and their timings have been discussed at significant length in previous threads. Most longer term members only regard it as two. Each to their own.
As shown in this thread, even in traditional Muslim history, it was twice per day originally.
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peace HIIS, PU,
Number of salat per day and their timings have been discussed at significant length in previous threads. Most longer term members only regard it as two. Each to their own.
As shown in this thread, even in traditional Muslim history, it was twice per day originally.
Yeah, well, when have traditional Muslims ever been right on everything? The Qur'an says 3 times pretty clearly
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Peace Wakas.
I am aware of this. Not that I have read all of them, or plan too, lol. I did research this on my own though, and arrived at the times I posted.
A reason why only two times are mentioned in some verses, is because recitation is going on at the times, of one of the prayers. So it doesn`t say, "pray now", but rather encourages prayers, at the other times, when recitation is not happening. And as you know, reading/reciting/listening equals prayer.
