Lost Salafi Here
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Well if anything you win the PXU Tastelessness award 2011.
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Jafar,
My significant other rules me autocratically by keeping yours truly on a tight, tight leash so how can I pounce on her? Do you wanna see my ten inch scars? I type this, gentle reader, from a wheelchair.
On a breezy day many winters ago, after denouncing the high gods for years without number, my flame-haired wife was struck thunderously by what's called an epiphany. "Quit your godless folly" she said, "or no copulation, no marriage, no children's visitation."
I rose up manfully and made a heroic stand for reason, but shortly therafter, tormented by the promptings of the flesh, I saw the folly of my way and bent the knee. A man does well to obey his wife. Let every man take note of the dangerous biological weapons of the Fairer Sex, their subtle designs, their cunning, their bite. For this we should stand? Bosh!
The only virtue of the beardo's creed for which I hanker is that it keeps the skirting-clutching feministas firmly in line. Stick it to 'em Mo! I wish I could pull out Sura 4 Verse 34 on the disobedient creature, but I'm afraid I'm no match for her muscle. What shall I do?
Incidentally, the Quranic passage you posted about the creation of Adam grabs my interest. It is a question I asked of Born Again, but I would like to add another element to the equation. One of the posters (I think Raging Gaijing) said that the Shaytan is a metaphor for one's ego, but this would seem to gainsay the story of Adam's expulsion from Jannah because the Quran says that Allah ejected Iblis out of the Garden when he refused to genuflect before Adam, so if Iblis can be physically thrown out of the Garden it can't be Adam's ego for Adam sinned after the Shaytan was driven out suggesting that his ego was very much inside the pearly gates.
So who precisely do you understand Iblis to be?
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How can I stop looking south of my belt when I meet a pretty young thing like you? Impossible.
Then I?ll be insulted, because you?re busy lookin? at your own thing, rather than me in the eyes. Consider the flirting a failed cause.
I was hoping we might finalise my Shahadah over a candle lit dinner washed down with a bottle of the finest red wine to ever kiss the lips of men. I'm Gutted.
?Afraid to say that I am a one-man woman. Plurality of the male species should not be mentioned in a supposedly romantic proposal.
Mistaken is the notion that I have a skewed picture of Muslims. I was jesting about the stoning as I thought was quite plain, but I suppose I will have to use emoticons from hence forward. How many do I need? Ten should do the trick.
Ah Sir, you jest at scars that never felt a wound. Jokin? about a distorted image of muslims seem pretty fun, aye? Mayhaps you need to consider how others may take such humour. That being said, I am not offended.
Since you want to use emoticons, may I suggest
http//www.railbirds.com/gallery/2007/11/7598NotWorthySmiley.gif
Before you can make this ruggedly handsome gallant your hubby the halal way I need some theological questions urgently resolved. Are you ready my sweet? Let's play.
Ruggedly handsome man? Tell me where! ?cause I ain?t seeing any!
By the way, need I reveal that I am not a sweet one. I?m rather bitter, and poisonous. And if you want me to do it the halal way, be prepared for me to slit your neck.
For one thing, if one believes in Darwinian evolution as I gather many of you heretics do, if man is not a fallen creature expelled from the shady groves of Jannah to live in weary toil for the rest of his days till his spirit takes flight, why does the Quran say that Adam?s prelapsarian existence was shattered by sin? Science maintains that man is an evolved creature and Islam that we have descended from a higher state of bliss. What is a guy to believe? Help me sister. I'm confused.
May I first assume that you read into the Adam story literally, than you interpret Adam as a name of a man, instead of the metaphor of mankind? I suggest that you read previous threads on the interpretation of the narration of Adam, before raising such question lest that the same thing be said over and over again, rather than being all geared up (or maybe not geared up after all) to verbally wrestle others. WWF style.
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Born Again
I like a fiesty girl. If I desert my wife and ten barefoot chillun can I put my lips on you? I promise not to give you syphilis.
I don't think my views on Shariah are "distorted". Quite apart from the number of highly influential Muslim countries governed by Shariah, polls have consistently shown that even among vast tracts of Western Muslims there is considerable support for Towelheadism. Not a majority by all means, but nor the piddling minority which some Muslims would like us to imagine. Setting aside polls, I know this from my own Salafi adventures.
I much rather I heard the answer about evolution from your own seductive lips, but I will settle for another's thread on the question of Adam, Eve and the whispering agent of doom.
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So who precisely do you understand Iblis to be?
Beardo, I don't know...
But let this time around, for the sake of discussion assume that Iblis is indeed a kind of 'being' who are invisible to the naked eye, who possess all of the bad/evil qualities and characters. It is saith that this invisible being are indeed the adversary (arabicShaytan) of human who made an oath to led astray the human population as much as possible...
Having said that; if I DO know PRECISELY what kind of being this IBLIS is..
He will not be much of a 'threat' would he?
Given his only advantage so far is that he posses knowledge about us while we knew nothing of him..(or her or perhaps it)Believe me I wish I (or other human being) DO know PRECISELY what kind of being this IBLIS is..
As thus we can study it, research it and eventually find it's weaknesses and can devise a 'weapon' to end it for good!But I guess that's not what God has in mind.. at least up until now..
God however did reveal regarding this Iblis characters / qualities, perhaps as a lesson for not to 'imitate' him.Truly sorry on hearing what happened between you and your wive..
Not all 'female homo sapiens' are like that.. we should not do a 'stereotyping' based on gender...
But I'm glad that you're not the one who beat her or you ever beat one of your children....Although I'm curious, why did she said 'Quit your godless folly'??
Salam / Peace
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Paradox Uncreated
A thousand apologies. I should have known better than to pass you over for another lovely. I have high standards sister. But for keeping strong in the face of countless rejections I am confident that you will be amply rewarded by a just and intelligent God.
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Not a chance, Sir. Once a man is unfaithful to a woman, then he will not stay faithful to anyone. Besides, when men are as abundant as the stars, why shall I settle for the likes of you?
I am afraid you have not encountered enough muslims in your life. Most muslims I know don't encourage the implementation of "shariah' (by shariah, I assume we are talking about inhumane laws practiced in some conservative countries under the banner of Islam). And may I remind you, that the country with the most muslim population, Indonesia, is in fact not practicing "shariah" as its legal laws except for one state? And I can say with confidence, that those muslims (whom I have interfaced) are not in support of "shariah' laws?
What I have, to convey, is not lips, but rather fingers to type. I am afraid I cannot do much to entertain your mind. I must say, I am glad you warm up to reading previous threads.
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Paradox Uncreated
A thousand apologies. I should have known better than to pass you over for another lovely. I have high standards sister. But for keeping strong in the face of countless rejections I am confident that you will be amply rewarded by a just and intelligent God.
Too bad modern law restricts us so. Apparently there is something very wrong with this mans head, and it should be amputated.
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Jafar,
I was teasing about the marital problems. My wife is a delicate flower and I am a big softie who could not wrestle a school girl to the ground.
It is true that my better half and I diverge on first and last things. After many years of training her artillery fire on the heavens she made her peace with God in recent years and now is something vageuly religious. Not in the orthodox sense of belonging to a formal creed ; she and I are agreed upon our anti-clericalism; but she lights her candle at the altar of a personal God. If that deity sounds rather much like the Deist version of a cosmic engineer who after kickstarting the universe repaired to a dignified retirement home and snoozed for the end of time you might just be right.
I bear no grudge against deism and watch the spectacle with quiet amusement.
Your theology seems like a work in progress. I would have thought you might have so fundamental a thing as the creation story smoothed out by now, but maybe that's my dogmatic Salafi alter ego talking.
Pressing question If the Eden story is just an allegory and man is a trousered ape, at what point in our slow climb out of the primordial seas did God breathe an imperishable soul into homo sapiens?
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Not a chance, Sir. Once a man is unfaithful to a woman, then he will not stay faithful to anyone. Besides, when men are as abundant as the stars, why shall I settle for the likes of you?
You misunderstand. I don't propose that you settle down with me. As you've hinted man is a creature so constructed that when the red mist of lust descends, off he goes running after the nearest skirt. You are an accomplished psychologist. I will give you that. What I propose is more sensible and practical and Islamic. Let me warehouse you in my damp basement down which my wife never goes so we might carry on a passionate amorous entanglement to shake Allah's throne.
If you behave and not make too much noise I will let you out to bathe once a month, feed you goat milk and cheese and belt you no more than twice a day according to the stipulations of the Shariah.
You must not decline this once in a lifetime offer sister.
Galloping on to more engaging themes, I'm more than happy to outfit my tiny brain with the relevant threads about the Quranist take on Creation and science. Link?
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Too bad modern law restricts us so. Apparently there is something very wrong with this mans head, and it should be amputated.
Why should biology get in the way of the love that dare not speak its name? If you let me squeeze you like a bunny, if I can mount you like a bison, I promise you'll walk funny in the morning beaming a radiant smile.
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Why should biology get in the way of the love that dare not speak its name? If you let me squeeze you like a bunny, if I can mount you like a bison, I promise you'll walk funny in the morning beaming a radiant smile.
Well if not lobotomy, he needs the treatment given any shaytan/psychopath these days. I guess we don`t decapitate them anymore, but try to cure them. Lol, our society needs more consumers after all. And what more perfect consumer than this lustful idiot, following any image of lust, like a mouse after cheese.
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^ By which Salafi were you forcibly raped as a child? Poor widdle thing.
Look, I'm sorry for the damage done to your gaping ass hole, but it's nothing to do with this old man. I'm just here to learn about your theology brother. I wish you a speedy recovery. How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to be molested!
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^ By which Salafi were you forcibly raped as a child? Poor widdle thing.
Look, I'm sorry for the damage done to your gaping ass hole, but it's nothing to do with this old man. I'm just here to learn about your theology brother. I wish you a speedy recovery. How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to be molested!
Yeah, I guessed this was about Salafi, and you thinking you were superior, just like shaytan. Therefore our women were simple devils you could have your way with.
Such thinks a devil.
Because you believe it to be a way of putting people down, don
t you? Youre a very sad man. Or is it boy. The mental development doesnt seem advanced anyway. Just you be you. Its punishment enough, I guess. -
By the rashness with which you threw yourself into a diverting conversation I expected more from your invective than the enthusiasm of a prostitute on her seventh client of the night. A pity.
I enjoyed dismembering and eating your imbecility for lunch. And with that I draw a line under this disciplinarian excercise and press on to theology. As much I would like to schoolmaster you in the elements of style and wit, I have not come here for that.
When you've nursed your wounds feel quite free to contribute meaningfully to the discussion. I belong to a generation which holds no grudges.
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Shaytan follows his desire. If anyone wanted a lesson in shaytanic behaviour, this is it. Notice that shaytan does not prefer one or another. Or what is called heterophilia or homophilia or any other -philia by psychologists. You probably understand that beardos behaviour is not about love, at all. And not about "orientation".
Psychologists are deluded in these aspects. That of following ones desire, has no preference for ANY "orientation". That he speaks of gay rape, doesn`t not mean he is gay. He simply cultivates his desire, however it may be.
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/25/43/ "Hast thou seen him who chooseth for his god his own lust?"
Well, you`ve seen him now.
A lot of sectarians are lustful, because their own teachings mentally abuse them, and it becomes satanic and sexual, in the unseen.
That`s how I percieve satanic jinn to be. When they are present, a lot of idiocy and mental abuse is present. Human nature, is defiled.
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Let me start answering with the basic rule of engagement..
My dear friend I'm not trying to 'convert' you... please please please put the sectarian conception of 'convertion' far away from your (already) exploded head..islam is not a sect or religion
islam (without the capital i) is an A-ttitude. (pronounce this as the NY black rapper said it in their coolest manner.. it's an A-ttitude bro!)
islam is an arabic word for 'submission' / 'acceptance' / 'peacefully accept', in hebrew it's 'taslam'...
when you peacefully accept any of God's will, then life will be happier and easier for you..
The only A-ttitude acceptable to God is to peacefully submit to His will... as saith in the Quran..A long haired jewish dude allegedly saith this during one of his time of anguish and despair.
"Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me but not as what I will, but as what thou wilt."That's why in the Quran, the before mentioned long haired jewish dude are being called as a 'moslem' (those who had an islam A-ttitude) and furthermore he's being mentioned as an 'example to human kind'.
Did the long haired Jewish dude ever read the Quran? did he proclaim the sunni style of shahada? did he ever do a 7 times roundabout jogging around a black cube? did he ever received an Eucharist from an authoritative priest? Nope...
This knocked me flat on my bottom. Steady, I?m just an old man whose joints are colonised by arthritis. I will report you for cyber assault. Your credo is uber sophisticated and thoughtful, but how theologically sound is it my little rabbit?
If you are convinced that my convictions will bear me aloft on the wings of the angel of death to sweat a little in the cosmic oven of Jahannam, don't you have some moral duty to set me straight on my follies?
And from a sheer survival vantage, the murderous impatience of Allah?s hang for heresy being what it is, boosting the numerical strength of your school of thought is a matter of self-preservation. Such tribal crudities might not appeal to your urbane mind; you might talk it down as the fossilised remains of the Old Time Religion better consigned to neglected obscurity, but when you live in a rough part of town it?s unwise to venture out without a stab proof vest. True or false?
Till then, I've gotta file a police report for assault.
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Plants do not have nervous systems that can register pain my cherry blossom. Only animals are sentient because pain and pleasure are the products of a brain. The notion that plants can suffer is one that is common to Muslims who don't seem to have paid much attention in anatomy class; were you flirting with the boys? I thought a Quran Aloner might know better than to recycle pre-modern ideas. Come, come, you're letting the team down.
First, I am a guy. Don't misconstrue proper grammar and sentence structure with femininity.
Second, reign in the flirting. You cross the lines of decency and modesty. You will find my tolerance for such activity to be zero.
I am a Muslim, I follow what Allah revealed, and I am very careful the company I keep."He has sent down upon you in the Book 'When you hear God's signs being disbelieved and made mock of, do not sit with them until they plunge into some other talk, or else you will surely be like to them.' God will gather the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in Gehenna." Surah 4140
As for your statement, I am taking it that it is a matter of pain then that is the issue? If the creature doesn't feel pain then it's okay to slay it? Am I understanding you correctly?
Root apices as plant command centres the unique?brain-like? status of the root apex transition zone
http//ds9.botanik.uni-bonn.de/zellbio/AG-Baluska-Volkmann/plantneuro/pdf/NeuroPlantTZ-Biologia.pdf"Although plants are generally immobile and lack the most obvious brain activities of animals and humans, they are not only able to show all the attributes of intelligent behaviour but they are also equipped with neuronal molecules, especially synaptotagmins and glutamate/glycine-gated glutamate receptors.
Recent advances in plant cell biology allowed identification of plant synapses transporting the plant-specific neurotransmitter-like molecule, auxin. This suggests that synaptic communication is not limited to animals and humans but seems to be widespread throughout plant tissues. Root apices seated at the anterior pole of the plant body show many features which allow us to
propose that they, especially their transition zones, act in some way as brainlike command centres. The opposite posterior pole harbours sexual organs
and is specialized for plant reproduction. Last but not least, we propose that vascular tissues represent highways for plant nervous activity allowing rapid exchange of information between the growing points of above-ground organs and the brain-like zones in the root apices."So, where is your proof they do not feel pain?
I'm not sure you've understood my question. To pre-empt confusion I focused my question on the ethics of animal predation. Not human suffering. And nor animal suffering caused by human agency. I know well that human suffering in mainstream Islamic theology is a trial to be patiently borne till the Last Day when the souls of men shall be judged.
My question was given that animals will face no such post-portem accounting, how is their suffering justified?
Do you have proof that they suffer or is this a hypothesis bred of vegan propaganda?
Do you not know that in moments of adrenal hyperactivity - Fight or Flight - the sense of pain is dulled if not removed altogether? Researchers say a stress hormone, noradrenaline, also known as norepinephrine, which floods the bloodstream during stressful events, numbs the brain's pain-processing pathway.Or does the Compassionate One not give a flying toss? For someone who espouses belief in evolution and that humans are late comers to the drama of the earth which was populated for eons and eons by dinosaurs and other extinct species how can you assert such an anthropomorphic view that ignores that the globe has been spinning for millions of years without humanity?
You are overlaying your ideas onto mine. You missed where I spoke of extinction events, which occurred in pre-human times. Take the focus off the ladies and pay attention. Iblis is controlling your frontal lobe and leading you to the Fire.
If Allah does not condone suffering, why did he equip sentient beings who perish in agony by the billions every year with a nervous system with pain receptors instead of making them as insentient as plants?
So you will take your hand off the stove.
Outfitting them with pain receptors is a conscious decision on his part which he did not have to do.
I'm surprised you actually asked this question, as I thought you were learned in the 'why-for' of the nervous system.
But He did give us pain receptors, so we would know when something we do is harming us. There are diseases that inhibit sense of pain, and they are disastrous to the person as they don't have the autonomic response to move/flinch/pull back when they are injuring themselves."Nociception (physiological pain) signals nerve-damage or damage to tissue. The three types of pain receptors are cutaneous (skin), somatic (joints and bones) and visceral (body organs). It was previously believed that pain was simply the overloading of pressure receptors, but research in the first half of the 20th century indicated that pain is a distinct phenomenon that intertwines with all of the other senses, including touch. Pain was once considered an entirely subjective experience, but recent studies show that pain is registered in the anterior cingulate gyrus of the brain. The main function of pain is to warn us about dangers. For example, humans avoid touching a sharp needle or hot object or extending an arm beyond a safe limit because it hurts, and thus is dangerous. Without pain, people could do many dangerous things without realizing it."
Using the stove as an example, a child when growing up is curious and gets into trouble more often than not. Child comes along and puts his hand on a hot stove, but because the All Mighty did not equip the child with pain receptors, the hand stays on the hot stove gaining a third-degree burn and scars that mangle a once-useful hand.
The skin is what holds the pain receptors, and when a third-degree burn occurs, it destroys the nerve endings; they don't return. So take note of Surah 456
"Surely those who disbelieve in Our signs -- We shall certainly roast them at a Fire; as often as their skins are wholly burned, We shall give them in exchange other skins, that they may taste the chastisement. Surely God is All-mighty, All-wise." Surah 456
This ayat is another scientific miracle, as it proves the skin is what contains the nerve endings. Something that was not discovered until the 20th Century by Spanish anatomist Santiago Ram?n y Cajal.
"The neuron's place as the primary functional unit of the nervous system was first recognized in the early 20th century through the work of the Spanish anatomist Santiago Ram?n y Cajal. Cajal proposed that neurons were discrete cells that communicated with each other via specialized junctions, or spaces, between cells. This became known as the neuron doctrine, one of the central tenets of modern neuroscience. To observe the structure of individual neurons, Cajal used a silver staining method developed by his rival, Camillo Golgi. The Golgi stain is an extremely useful method for neuroanatomical investigations because, for reasons unknown, it stains a very small percentage of cells in a tissue, so one is able to see the complete micro structure of individual neurons without much overlap from other cells in the densely packed brain."
Since you do not believe in Allah and do not submit to Him, if you continue the path you are on until your appointed term, you will have plenty of time to ponder on the 'why-for' of the nervous system in the Fire.
Peace.