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There is No God.

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    Abdun_Nur
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    Salaam Kaiokenred,

    the simple way to see why Allah is not a God is in direction, a God is an outside force controlling the universe, outside of us, requiring prayer, worship, adoration; while Allah manifests every atom of this reality from the inside out instant to instant, without that constant re-manifestation everything would disappear; so Allah is from the inside out, this means to pray is asking an outside force to grant your desires, for example, while Allah knows all you think, all you see, all you hear, all you feel, at every instant, closer than your jugular vein, how can it be possible for anyone worship outwardly what exists from the point of origin of their very essence.

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      Salaam Kaiokenred,

      the simple way to see why Allah is not a God is in direction, a God is an outside force controlling the universe, outside of us, requiring prayer, worship, adoration; while Allah manifests every atom of this reality from the inside out instant to instant, without that constant re-manifestation everything would disappear; so Allah is from the inside out, this means to pray is asking an outside force to grant your desires, for example, while Allah knows all you think, all you see, all you hear, all you feel, at every instant, closer than your jugular vein, how can it be possible for anyone worship outwardly what exists from the point of origin of their very essence.

      When i think of God/Allah i don't think of him as an outside force. But i think Allah is what a REAL God is, not a fake made up one, and presented just like humans think it.

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        zakeer
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        Does He who created not know, while He is the Subtle, the Acquainted?

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          unknownuser
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          ALLAH = THE God.

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            Prince
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            ALLAH = THE God.

            peace

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              unknownuser
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              I think the confusion here comes from the fact that "God" is nowadays an essentially meaningless name thrown around by everyone. With so many images/idols made about "God" there is a cloud of bullshit surrounding the term.

              However there has only ever been one "ALLAH".

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                I think the confusion here comes from the fact that "God" is nowadays an essentially meaningless name thrown around by everyone. With so many images/idols made about "God" there is a cloud of bullshit surrounding the term.

                However there has only ever been one "ALLAH".

                I think one can get so much into semantics and not realise that Allah/The God is beyond words. Even Allah can have meanings with images/idols...look at those that pray to the Kaaba revering Allah....does that mean one should not use Allah to describe The Creator?? There are arab christians that still use Allah as part of Trinity. So I still think this position of There is no God is just a game of semantics, it is essentially down to having the correct understanding and belief of our Creator rather than what to call our Creator.
                PEACE

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                  captainneckbeard
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                  I think one can get so much into semantics and not realise that Allah/The God is beyond words. Even Allah can have meanings with images/idols...look at those that pray to the Kaaba revering Allah....does that mean one should not use Allah to describe The Creator?? There are arab christians that still use Allah as part of Trinity. So I still think this position of There is no God is just a game of semantics, it is essentially down to having the correct understanding and belief of our Creator rather than what to call our Creator.
                  PEACE

                  I'm sure this may have been addressed before, but is Allah the Tao?

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                    Abdun_Nur
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                    Salaam,

                    wiki says
                    Tao or Dao is a metaphysical concept originating in Daoism that has been adopted in Confucianism, Ch?n and Zen Buddhism and more broadly in East Asian religions and ancient Chinese philosophy. While the word itself literally translates as 'way', 'path', or 'route', or sometimes more loosely as 'doctrine' or 'principle', it is generally used to signify the primordial essence or fundamental aspect of the universe. In Daoist philosophy the word Dao is not generally considered to be a 'name' for a 'thing' it is a reference to the natural order of existence, often referred to as the "eternally nameless? (Dao De Jing-32. Laozi) to distinguish it from the countless 'named' things which are considered to be its manifestations. In Buddhism and Confucianism, by contrast, Dao has come to refer to the outcome of meditative or moral practices (respectively), which is closer in meaning to the Daoist concept of De (virtue).

                    This seems to agree with the Qur'anic perspective of Allah.

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                      Religion, worship, adoration, fear of an invisible being, government, parliament, politicians, constitution, legislation, other authorities, personal ownership of resources are the main things that should disappear from this world. You cannot enforce these things.

                      Just as yourself, what is the point of worshiping an invisible being called God that tells you that he loves you, but if you don't love him back, is going to burn you forever?

                      Have some sense people.

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                        Producer
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                        6103
                        No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.

                        Allah is above comprehension, above who? Incomprehensible.

                        There Is, or There's No, Both are Incorrect. Incomprehensible, no number can acquainted Allah.

                        only proximity, approximation, closest number,

                        Between 1 and 0, 1 is Closest.

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                          ahmed_maldives
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                          Salaam Abdun Nur,

                          I have gone through this post little bit (not the whole of it).

                          What is your view on the Hereafter?

                          and who created us? and who sent the Quran?

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                            Abdun_Nur
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                            Salaam Ahmed,

                            my view of the here after is, we are in what you would consider the here after, we have never been anywhere else, it is only in what we perceive, you perceive you are in this world, you perceive a different understanding after you wake up from the sleep of this reality.

                            Some people wake up while they are in the world of the sleepers, like Muhammad, and these people can function in the same way a man who is awake can act compared to a room full of sleepers, he can see what is obvious, he can wake others, he can explain in the ears of the dreamers, and they can gain some benefit.

                            If you want to understand the concept of Allah you should read http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/1/

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                              IAMOP
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                              Peace
                              This is correct. But there is also the Last Day.

                              The nature is that we are already at judgement day. For instance now I am in the process of saying "Ah, here is my record, read it" just as people create autobiographies.

                              However there is a REAL judgement day which occurs post-death and it is every bit a grievous day as described in the quran. And then you will read my REAL holographic record which will reveal all.

                              Peace

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                                silverquin
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                                Of course there is God, cos if the world created from nothing then it only creates nothing (0=1-1, nothing will always equal to nothing). God gave proof of his existence through many things..

                                "Visible proofs have come to you from your Lord; so whoever can see, does so for himself, and whoever is blinded, does the same. I am not a watcher over you." (6104)

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                                  Abdun_Nur
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                                  That's the way to go Silverquin, make a comment solely on the title of the thread, show your depth of insight.

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                                    silverquin
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                                    lol sorry but the title's very interesting.

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                                      nurmuhammed
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                                      I will write just this
                                      It is not true, It is that simple!!!!!

                                      GLORY BE TO GOD!

                                      elektro

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                                        Abdun_Nur
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                                        Salaam nurmuhammed,

                                        could you provide the evidence to support your conclusion, have you considered all arguments and investigated all available avenues of reason that could get to the truth, or have you simply stated a bind faith based opinion, founded on the majority view, never investigated, never even considered from any perspective except simple thoughtless acceptance, and as the Qur'an wisely states the majority are at a loss.

                                        I realise you have not taken the time to read any of the thread, that would require effort, and as you express opinions without any effort, it is clear effort is not your strong point.

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                                          adjwi
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                                          Hello everyone,

                                          I can't imagine how a Godless concept could be considered by someone whose avatar is such as nurmuhammed. Is the focus presented by the image other than religious?

                                          peace,

                                          adjwi

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