Why cant we scientifically prove god?
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Yes.. but he's the one who set the mathematical foundation concept and logic for this specific universe in the first place..
And 'from the looks of things' He's not to keen to override his own thingy... otherwise there will be a 'chaos'..There could be another universe where such concept of math here are not applicable there and vice-versa.
And there's no such thing as 'magic', and the conception of today's 'divine' is misleading.. Divine is actually a loan word from ancient sanskrit "Deiwos" which means 'shining', as thus 'divine being' is actually 'shining being'.
Salam / Peace
He is unable to prevent chaos caused by him?. Not Able???
Also, God is a magical being as he doesn't obey the laws of science, eg; virgin birth, resurrection of the dead, etc.. unless you are a pantheist of course.
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He is unable to prevent chaos caused by him?. Not Able???
Also, God is a magical being as he doesn't obey the laws of science, eg; virgin birth, resurrection of the dead, etc.. unless you are a pantheist of course.
"Magic" is a human terminology to label things which 'they don't understand how it could happen yet it happened'. In absolute reality there are no 'magic'.
For example Virgin Birth?? What's magical about virgin birth? We now knew how it works... -
"Magic" is a human terminology to label things which 'they don't understand how it could happen yet it happened'. In absolute reality there are no 'magic'.
For example Virgin Birth?? What's magical about virgin birth? We now knew how it works...ah yes, but isn't God able to create things without having an explanation? Is he unable to break his own "laws?"
There has been a lot of virgin birth. One was horus which preceded jesus. I wonder why the quran only mentions jesus and claims that it was a miracle.
What are miracles? Aren't they magic according to your explanation of magic?
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ah yes, but isn't God able to create things without having an explanation? Is he unable to break his own "laws?"
He can, the relatively more correct terminology will be that He 'change the law'.. in which it's 'prophesied' shall be.. and possible..
There has been a lot of virgin birth. One was horus which preceded jesus. I wonder why the quran only mentions jesus and claims that it was a miracle.
What are miracles? Aren't they magic according to your explanation of magic?
The Quran said it was a 'sign' (and not miracle).. it's a sign that you freaking apes on earth (read homo sapiens) doesn't know everything... and there is something bigger than you who are pulling the strings.. so you better watch your attitude..
Miraculous and magical lies on the eye of the beholder... Example Christiano Ronaldo (CR7) and his magical and miraculous dribble.. that's a human expression of their 'shocking' and 'awesomeness' felling on 'how could he do that?'... Yet upon the eye of his coach or trainer that's not magical at all given they knew how CR7 trained and how he developed that skill over time..
A female fertile homo sapiens being pregnant without coitus is not 'magical' or 'miraculous' for those who understand how pregnancy could take shapes. And as of today it's a 'commodity'... hardly 'magic' or 'miracles' at all.
The same thing applied on those 'magician on stage'.. the people sees it as 'magic' or 'miracle' because they do not understand on how he/she could do that.. once they knew how he does it.. they would say it's not magical at all...
Salam / Peace
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So and therefore, Harry potter was a wizard because Joanne Rowling said so..Jesus was born of a virgin because Muhammed/an impostor posing as Muhammed said so. yes
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So and therefore, Harry potter was a wizard because Joanne Rowling said so..Jesus was born of a virgin because Muhammed/an impostor posing as Muhammed said so. yes
I'm lost here.. what does this Harry Potter got to do with anything?
As for virgin birth... now any fertile female virgin who wanted to get pregnant with a son (or daughter, yes they can choose the gender as well) without coitus can do so .. hardy a magic/miracle for today... because we know how to do it.
More than that... now the fertile female virgin can stay virgin even after the birth of her child...Salam / Peace
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No there is a lie that goes around and it goes like this.
The idea that God does things without reason, that does things in "mysterious ways", all propagated by the enemies of truth who wish to do things in the name of God when it fits them. No injustice ever has a valid reason so the only rationalisation is "mysterious ways".
Nor does God "create out of nothing", we do not see that mentioned for a second in al-quran. Rather al-quran gives us the CLEAR and SELF-EVIDENT methodology of the God, the method of perfection, justice, logic, reason, peaceful analysis. 2+2=4 is not a "without reason" or "works in mysterious ways", any fool can see why it works.
Rather you are surprised, whereas they keep mocking.
And they do not understand, when explained to.
And whenever they see a sign, they mock at it.
And they say, This is nothing but clear magic.Nowhere in al-quran when God is asked "Why this" does He respond with "Because I said so." or "No reason". There is a reason, one must have the full picture to see it. And only God truly has the full picture.
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A little FYI for all my free-minds.org brothers and sisters; on August 23, a book was released by a man named David Wilcock called The Source Field Investigations The Hidden Science and Lost Civilizations behind the 2012 Prophecies.
I think we have been deceived into believing that God and science are enemies, when in fact, they are BFF.
I don't have any commentary on the book right now, as I am still reading it. But check it out.
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As a scientist I would say the science is basically learning how God set up the natural world. On the not why can't we prove God scientifically? Well science is based on only our 5 senses which God gave us. We can create instruments to measure things but only those who ultimately can be related to our 5 senses. I think God exists beyond just our 5 senses. Hence we can only see God in the reflections he casts. We can see reflections of God in nature, in scripture (writing) and in each other. We can taste reflections of God in our food. We can smell reflections of God in flowers and our trash. We can feel reflections of God in the warm hug of a parent or friend. We can hear reflections of God in what people say and in scripture. Look for the reflections of God and you will see more than you see now. If only science could measure these reflections that our 5 senses can see....
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peace
JewishDude -
Greetings and Peace, all group
As a scientist I would say the science is basically learning how God set up the natural world. On the not why can't we prove God scientifically? Well science is based on only our 5 senses which God gave us. We can create instruments to measure things but only those who ultimately can be related to our 5 senses. I think God exists beyond just our 5 senses. Hence we can only see God in the reflections he casts. We can see reflections of God in nature, in scripture (writing) and in each other. We can taste reflections of God in our food. We can smell reflections of God in flowers and our trash. We can feel reflections of God in the warm hug of a parent or friend. We can hear reflections of God in what people say and in scripture. Look for the reflections of God and you will see more than you see now. If only science could measure these reflections that our 5 senses can see....
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peace
JewishDudeTo see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.Courtesy of William Blake.
Regarding science, the scientific method works by disproving, not by proving. It is one reason why there are no scientific laws--only theory. Theories rise, fall, and are replaced with other theories.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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As a scientist I would say the science is basically learning how God set up the natural world. On the not why can't we prove God scientifically? Well science is based on only our 5 senses which God gave us. We can create instruments to measure things but only those who ultimately can be related to our 5 senses. I think God exists beyond just our 5 senses. Hence we can only see God in the reflections he casts. We can see reflections of God in nature, in scripture (writing) and in each other. We can taste reflections of God in our food. We can smell reflections of God in flowers and our trash. We can feel reflections of God in the warm hug of a parent or friend. We can hear reflections of God in what people say and in scripture. Look for the reflections of God and you will see more than you see now. If only science could measure these reflections that our 5 senses can see....
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peace
JewishDudePeace,
The reflection is everywhere but not everyone wants to look in the mirror. Who is to say though?
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I agree with you JewishDude,
and I also think, that apart from the limitations of our 5 senses, there is also a lack of cooperation between our conscience and some parts of our perception.
I mean there might be also some perception which is not covered with our conscience. -
I agree with you JewishDude,
and I also think, that apart from the limitations of our 5 senses, there is also a lack of cooperation between our conscience and some parts of our perception.
I mean there might be also some perception which is not covered with our conscience.The heart
Peace
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Yes, simple, from the nature surround you if you ask him proof he'll give you proof. I asked him for proof, suddenly i thought simply only about numbers.., but from there my faith about God existence is unbreakable.
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Thinking about proving God... it is often a thing a disbeliever would talk about being engaged in, coz he/she doesn't believe. Scientific proof are not needed to a believer... only to a person who thinks science of today is above all... sort of the religion of science.
I think we cannot prove God thru science partly because we have the wrong idea of what God is. What are we looking for? Some dude in the sky? Some other poster said that the quran seems to talk about that everyone and everything already knows God (or whatever word we should use not to get into a wrong idea)... and then goes on saying and putting emphasis on that God is one. So the quran is not mainly talking about the existance of God, but rather its oneness and how accurate our belief is. I really liked this observation, and I'm sure there are more great posts in the thread, but I really haven't gone thru the thread.
I think that it is not about to prove or fail to prove, rather everything is in plain view already... but it is WE how cannot see what is in front of us. Our vision is clouded. All creatures know their creator intimately, except for us poor human beings... coz we have minds... and our minds f**k it all up for us, as long as we are blinded by it. So the issue is not to find a single proof for all, but instead for each and every single person to clear one's own vision. Quite a different thing I must say. We are looking in the wrong place, as usual. We are looking outside, whether physically or philosophically/logically, when we should be looking inside ourselves. There are ways to do this, but little do people know. People serve the sect of science, which should be no more than a tool through which the mind handles everyday life. When did science become religion? When did it become a criterion for things it cannot handle, see or grasp?
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Peace all.
Is this not Science? Some might say where is the proof?
( GOD? Designer of the universe? Surely HE will leave some kind of proof? Sign?)
( Phi, ? constant- = 1.61803? is the creator s signature on all HIS designs i.e The golden ratio? Science has proved ? See Dr Steven Markout 25 year study- that the relative ratio 1.61803? relates to all created structure of our universe. Also the sequence 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,? ? The work of Fibonacci, also called the sequence of nature, has a connection with the golden ratio ? See science research on flowers, spirals, DNA, etc?- The golden ratio and Fibonacci sequence permeates throughout the universe in both organic and inorganic worlds and at all scales and levels to such a degree that the probability of this being chance/ coincidence is virtually impossible. Hence a Designer, Creator exist.
What is even more interesting is the connection of the natural sequence 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,? with 19 ? 19 is a special number that this Designer/ Creator uses as part of the code ? Remember the emphasis on ONE GOD- Well 19 is the geometrical value- number value- of ONE in most languages, Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic etc..( check it, Google it.. ) Here is a table showing this connection
Sequence Sequence in reverse Answer
0 + 2584 = 2584 /19= (divided by 19)= 136
1 ? 1597 = -1596 /19= -84
1 + 987 = 988 /19 52
2 ? 610 = ? 608 /19= -32
3 + 377 = 380 /19 = 20
5 ? 233 = -228 /19 = -12
8 + 144 = 152 /19= 8
13 - 89 = -76 /19 = -4
21 + 55 = 76 /19 = 4
34 - 34 = 0 /19 0
55 + 21 = 76 /19= 4
89 ? 13 = 76 /19= 4
144 + 8 = 152 /19= 8
233 ? 5 = 228 /19= 12
377 + 3 = 380 /19 = 20
610 - 2 = 608 /19 = 32
987 + 1 = 988 /19 = 52
1597 - 1 = 1596 /19= 84
2584 + 0 = 2584 /19= 136.
( Notes. The sequence tends to 1.61803? Hence adding and taking away. Number 2584 is the 19th term of the sequence ( a coincidence?) also 2+5+8+4 = 19 !( another coincidence?) 2584 is the first number in the sequence divisible by 19, 19 x 136 = 2584 ! ( and yet another coincidence? also after this if you continue the pattern, every answer is divisible by 19 !)
3027 .. HE is the one who initiates the creation ( First creation before the heavenly feud?), then repeats it ( creation for the last chance- the test!-?); This is even easier for HIM ( to summon you on the day of judgement?). To him belongs the most similitude ( all the symmetry you see) in the heavens and the earth. HE is the ALMIGHTY, the Most WISE.?
( Look at the connection of the sequence and 19, especially 34-34 =0 -There is a symmetry from that initial point,up and down looking at the answers when we divided by 19! .Is GOD drawing the attention to it? Note this verse 3027 30 + 27 = 57 ( 19 x 3 = 57 !) also more importantly this verse is the 3434 th verse from the beginning of this scripture. Let s add all the verses from chapter 1 up to chapter 3027 (up to this verse) 7 + 286+ 200+176+120+165+206+75+127+109+123
+111+43+
52+99
+128+111+110+98+135+112
+78+118+64+77+227+93+88+69+27 = 3434 !) ( Yet another coincidence?)
61 Praise be to GOD who created the heavens and the earth and made darkness and light. Yet those who disbelieve in their Lord continue to deviate.?
Peace.
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Here is an excellent information of scientific proofs of the Torah and sientific possibility of proving God
http//www.divineinformation.com/featured-videos/torah-and-science-2/
http//www.divineinformation.com/videos-english/torah-and-science-part-2/
http//www.divineinformation.com/videos-english/torah-and-science-part-3/and general issues
http//www.divineinformation.com/videos-english/general-issues-2/