Sinning because of Someone else
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Peace,
Glad you have found rest! Investigate further as always. God doesn't force us to remain for prolonged periods in situations where we are forced to commit evil. Sometimes we have to give up all that we think we have; friends, family, wealth, limbs.
We all have our place in the here and now. How did we get to here, now? Our past caused it. Not just you but you as the sum of your ancestry all the good combined, all the evil combined, this commanded your feet to plant themselves right here, right now. Remember that always!
Very true, I do wholly think it is my past with the passion of knowing the truth that lead me here in the end and for that I prayed to God to lead me to such things, thus here Thank you brother ^_^
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Also... you know now that I think about it, I find it quite sad that there are people who will believe literally anything that comes from someone as being legal such as members of Al Qaeda who believe and agree with the head of that group that it is okay to kill all these innocent people. It's quite interesting how these so called "muslims" fight as mushirks when a believing soldier of the Syrian army that knows he is sinning by killing but following orders cause is a better person in the end (even though he is heavily sinning)
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Indeed Aryan Warrior!
People have sometimes commited horrendous crimes, all because they were ordered to do so!
Sometimes it was either "kill or be killed". Sadly some/most(?) of these people did the wrong choice by taking action against others. There is obviously some psychology behind this "obedience to authority". There was the Stanford Prison Experiment, where normal people were picked and put into playing the role of prisoner/guard.
Basically the expirement showed how normal people can turn into savages and commit horrendous crimes against their own mankind. The sad thing however, is that God states that no soul bears the sins of another. Thus the crimes that the followers made per stance of their rulers are actually against themselves.May the Lord God protect us from Oppression and injustice!
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Indeed Aryan Warrior!
People have sometimes commited horrendous crimes, all because they were ordered to do so!
Sometimes it was either "kill or be killed". Sadly some/most(?) of these people did the wrong choice by taking action against others. There is obviously some psychology behind this "obedience to authority". There was the Stanford Prison Experiment, where normal people were picked and put into playing the role of prisoner/guard.
Basically the expirement showed how normal people can turn into savages and commit horrendous crimes against their own mankind. The sad thing however, is that God states that no soul bears the sins of another. Thus the crimes that the followers made per stance of their rulers are actually against themselves.May the Lord God protect us from Oppression and injustice!
~peace peaceWell I agree with God will judging them there for murder. I myself would let myself die than commit such a sin as murder if I wasn't being attacked first.
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Also... you know now that I think about it, I find it quite sad that there are people who will believe literally anything that comes from someone as being legal such as members of Al Qaeda who believe and agree with the head of that group that it is okay to kill all these innocent people. It's quite interesting how these so called "muslims" fight as mushirks when a believing soldier of the Syrian army that knows he is sinning by killing but following orders cause is a better person in the end (even though he is heavily sinning)
Salaam
Giving in to pressure, and knowingly committing wrong, I believe comes under shirk as the person under pressure has given the status of god to other than Almighty God. Today such pressure is responsible for much wrongs and ?fassad? in this world. Take for example countries with advanced technology and military power; they will bully small countries into doing whatever they wish, with the threat of otherwise bombing them into the stone age. It?s this fear of being destroyed by "super powers" that cause many to give them god like status and to, often knowingly, commit wrong which includes handing over innocent men and women as terrorists. This has been happening now all the time and is the cause of lawlessness in today?s world, where mafia style practices have taken over.Al Qaeda is a code name for evil doers they are not Muslim, they do the dirty job for the fassadies, do not be mislead just becasue they chant Allah ho akbar they are knowingly commiting sin on the instruction of so called super powers and that is SHIRK in all three monotheist relegions.
peace
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Salaam
Giving in to pressure, and knowingly committing wrong, I believe comes under shirk as the person under pressure has given the status of god to other than Almighty God. Today such pressure is responsible for much wrongs and ?fassad? in this world. Take for example countries with advanced technology and military power; they will bully small countries into doing whatever they wish, with the threat of otherwise bombing them into the stone age. It?s this fear of being destroyed by "super powers" that cause many to give them god like status and to, often knowingly, commit wrong which includes handing over innocent men and women as terrorists. This has been happening now all the time and is the cause of lawlessness in today?s world, where mafia style practices have taken over.Al Qaeda is a code name for evil doers they are not Muslim, they do the dirty job for the fassadies, do not be mislead just becasue they chant Allah ho akbar they are knowingly commiting sin on the instruction of so called super powers and that is SHIRK in all three monotheist relegions.
peace
I gotta disagree here. Shirk is a form of kufr which is disbelief. If the person believes it is a sin and does it anyways, it is simply a sin and not shirk. Al Qaeda disbelieve the idea of not killing innocent people by giving their superiors in that group the power to make what is haram into halal. Thus they believe it is halal and therefore are kaffirs as they than disbelieve the Quran and Mushirks by disbelief through believing what another person's words as making that law now halal.
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But those who break the Covenant of Allah, after having plighted their word thereto, and cut asunder those things which Allah has commanded to be joined, and work mischief in the land;- on them is the curse; for them is the terrible home!{2912}
And the Unbelievers say to those who believe "Follow our path, and we will bear (the consequences) of your faults." Never in the least will they bear their faults in fact they are liars!
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They will bear their own burdens, and (other) burdens along with their own, and on the Day of Judgments they will be called to account for their falsehoods.The message is clear.
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But those who break the Covenant of Allah, after having plighted their word thereto, and cut asunder those things which Allah has commanded to be joined, and work mischief in the land;- on them is the curse; for them is the terrible home!{2912}
And the Unbelievers say to those who believe "Follow our path, and we will bear (the consequences) of your faults." Never in the least will they bear their faults in fact they are liars!
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They will bear their own burdens, and (other) burdens along with their own, and on the Day of Judgments they will be called to account for their falsehoods.The message is clear.
Pretty much. Also these good quotes that reflects that they won't be on the pales of Islam if they sin cause of others but they will treated as sinners under their own burden.
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Peace all,
I believe that the Shirk is associating to God what He did not allow (i.e., what He did not reveal in His Books).
Salaam
There are two unforgiveable sins; one is shirk and the other is munfiq. In one Surah in the Qur?an we read ?all will be forgiven except the munafiqeen and then it?s been quoted several times that the sin of shirk will not be forgiven. If we consider the matter carefully we realize that a munafiq puts up a false appearance to the world. S/he may even know that God exists, but to the munafiq the ?gods? of this world are of greater importance.
The same is true for s/he who assumes that anyone other than God has the power to provide a better life and therefore succumbs to other than god and thus commits shirk.
Any who try to replace God, either themselves, by super-imposing their own agenda on the message of Allah, or by assuming that anyone other than God has the power to harm or benefit them, are all mushrikeen
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Salaam
There are two unforgiveable sins; one is shirk and the other is munfiq. In one Surah in the Qur?an we read ?all will be forgiven except the munafiqeen and then it?s been quoted several times that the sin of shirk will not be forgiven. If we consider the matter carefully we realize that a munafiq puts up a false appearance to the world. S/he may even know that God exists, but to the munafiq the ?gods? of this world are of greater importance.
The same is true for s/he who assumes that anyone other than God has the power to provide a better life and therefore succumbs to other than god and thus commits shirk.
Any who try to replace God, either themselves, by super-imposing their own agenda on the message of Allah, or by assuming that anyone other than God has the power to harm or benefit them, are all mushrikeen
peaceThat definition of a Munafiq is quite very wrong actually. A Munafiq remember is a HYPOCRITE. A Hypocrite by the meaning that they pretend that they are Muslims but really they are Kaffirs. There were many many examples of them during Muhammad's era where people would only side with him cause he is of the winning team when in fact they disbelieved what Muhammad said or the man who was pretending to be Muhammad's subordinate and even made a mosque but was trying to backstab him cause he wanted power.
Don't confuse the definition of a Munafiq with a simple Kaffir who doesn't believe the words of the Quran or only chooses parts that benefit him.
Though you are correct about the the definition of Shirk down there in that anyone who believes (yes i'm gonna bold these cause people miss the importance of the word believe) that others can provide what God can whether it be law or destiny. A person who sins whether for himself or for others while believing God is correct with his laws and controls their destinties wouldn't be a mushirk though, but rather one who has chose to sin.
Just remember both Munafiq and Shirk fit under the catagory of Kufr which means disbelief, whether that disbelief be in terms of God or his Quran. So if one believes in God and all that the Quran says can't be a Kaffir, but they could be sinners and quite big ones too if they choose until the day the repent.
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That definition of a Munafiq is quite very wrong actually. A Munafiq remember is a HYPOCRITE. A Hypocrite by the meaning that they pretend that they are Muslims but really they are Kaffirs. There were many many examples of them during Muhammad's era where people would only side with him cause he is of the winning team when in fact they disbelieved what Muhammad said or the man who was pretending to be Muhammad's subordinate and even made a mosque but was trying to backstab him cause he wanted power.
Don't confuse the definition of a Munafiq with a simple Kaffir who doesn't believe the words of the Quran or only chooses parts that benefit him.
Though you are correct about the the definition of Shirk down there in that anyone who believes (yes i'm gonna bold these cause people miss the importance of the word believe) that others can provide what God can whether it be law or destiny. A person who sins whether for himself or for others while believing God is correct with his laws and controls their destinties wouldn't be a mushirk though, but rather one who has chose to sin.
Just remember both Munafiq and Shirk fit under the catagory of Kufr which means disbelief, whether that disbelief be in terms of God or his Quran. So if one believes in God and all that the Quran says can't be a Kaffir, but they could be sinners and quite big ones too if they choose until the day the repent.
Salaam
Where did you see me using work Kafir?
Pls read carefuly what I have written and then reflect, remember that hypocrites are not same as Munafiqeen. Al-Qaida are actully munafiq of our time so stop following mass media and reflect on what I said instead of rushing to protect what you beleive is the right approach.
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Salaam
Where did you see me using work Kafir?
Pls read carefuly what I have written and then reflect, remember that hypocrites are not same as Munafiqeen. Al-Qaida are actully munafiq of our time so stop following mass media and reflect on what I said instead of rushing to protect what you beleive is the right approach.
peaceThe defintion you just gave was one that would describe a kaffir and not a Munafiq. and yes Hypocrites ARE the same as Munafiqs. That is literally what Munafiq translates to even. In terms of Al Qaeda, a regular soldier of it wouldn't be a Munafiq as he isn't lying about his beliefs while the upper heads might very well be and thus using religion as a tool to do their biddings thus what makes them hypocrites.
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This is a very complex issue.
We must be aware of one thing first and foremost, that no human knows the secrets of another human's heart. And that ALLAH alone encompasses all of our hearts.
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This is a very complex issue.
We must be aware of one thing first and foremost, that no human knows the secrets of another human's heart. And that ALLAH alone encompasses all of our hearts.
Salaam
Exactly and when it came to munafiqun even prophet Mohammad could not recognize them and he was informed by God not to be swayed by the speech of a munafiq, whereas some people seem to know from medi hype the secrets of Al-Qaida, a group invented by Mossad/CIA whose members are mercenaries trained to do the dirty job. Despite being warned in the Quran to be aware of the munafiq and to investigagte news before accepting them as true many just swallow whatever media throws at them. Sad state of affairs brickwall -
This is a very complex issue.
We must be aware of one thing first and foremost, that no human knows the secrets of another human's heart. And that ALLAH alone encompasses all of our hearts.
Very true, thus why we are basically assuming as it has been stating before that the Munafiq is very dangerous as he pretends to be a full muslim but in reality he is a kaffir. Thus it is only a theory of the leader of Al Qaeda being a Munafiq by saying we fight for Islam but he really being a Kaffir and having different plans all together.
Salaam
Exactly and when it came to munafiqun even prophet Mohammad could not recognize them and he was informed by God not to be swayed by the speech of a munafiq, whereas some people seem to know from medi hype the secrets of Al-Qaida, a group invented by Mossad/CIA whose members are mercenaries trained to do the dirty job. Despite being warned in the Quran to be aware of the munafiq and to investigagte news before accepting them as true many just swallow whatever media throws at them. Sad state of affairs brickwallNow now don't bring up controversial matters like the group Al Qaeda being invented by the CIA. peace Regardless we don't know if they truly are Munafiqs or not. They could just be very radically interpreting things as the Wahabi's that they are. Thus they believe, but are quite astray as a result.
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Now now don't bring up controversial matters like the group Al Qaeda being invented by the CIA. peace Regardless we don't know if they truly are Munafiqs or not. They could just be very radically interpreting things as the Wahabi's that they are. Thus they believe, but are quite astray as a result.
We have all know about Taliban and so called mujahideen, jamat Isalami and other once called fundamentilist but when did you first hear about Al-Qaida and how many member of Al-Qaida were know to you prior to 9/11?
If you follow Quran only then did you investigate about origin, ideology and member of Al-Qaida before you stated talking about them if not then don't repeat what you only learn from mass media. OK -
We have all know about Taliban and so called mujahideen, jamat Isalami and other once called fundamentilist but when did you first hear about Al-Qaida and how many member of Al-Qaida were know to you prior to 9/11?
If you follow Quran only then did you investigate about origin, ideology and member of Al-Qaida before you stated talking about them if not then don't repeat what you only learn from mass media. OKI'm just saying don't bring in controversial matters as there is facts for both sides of the argument
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I'm just saying don't bring in controversial matters as there is facts for both sides of the argument
You started talking about Al-Qaida in reply 13 above but when questioned about your knowledge you called it a controversial matter &
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You started talking about Al-Qaida in reply 13 above but when questioned about your knowledge you called it a controversial matter &
Are you scared of upsetting someone much powerfull than God?O_o you are bringing in a political matter of CIA being in charge of Al Qaeda. I was simply referring to the possibility of the leaders actually be Kaffirs or Munafiqs.
Geez calm yourself dude, we are talking religion not politics