Does anyone know where I can find a Suni?
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Help is needed in this debate;
http//www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?79213-Why-do-you-believe-in-hadith
Wrong start..
Why don't you start another topic of discussion around
- How should we recite the Shahada'?
- What are the implication for those who did not properly recite the Shahada?
- Does Shahada required in order to be Muslim?
- How does the His Majesty Messenger Of God Muhammad pbuh (Sayiddina Muhammad Rasullulah Salllalhu Allaihi Wassalam) recite his Shahada?
- How does the previous prophets recite their Shahada?
Post the point above once at a time, take it gently.. Improvise your own..
Remember.. people will only value their own opinion.. do not jump into conclusion too quickly.. let them think on their own...
Salam / Peace
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Hey guys! Been gone for awhile, but back. Missed you all
I love the comment about if it is a tradition from a non-muslim country.... WTH.
No offense to anyone, but I have seen some Egyptian traditions that make my head spin. So if a Muslim country has Mother's day like Egypt then it is okay? but not in a western culture.. ..lol
I hate how ppl think Islam is crawling under a rock. But nice topics, I am enjoying and wonder how did I ever manage being a sunni??? I guess when you convert it takes awile to get your feet wet.
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Hey guys! Been gone for awhile, but back. Missed you all )
I love the comment about if it is a tradition from a non-muslim country.... WTH.
No offense to anyone, but I have seen some Egyptian traditions that make my head spin. So if a Muslim country has Mother's day like Egypt then it is okay? but not in a western culture.. ..lol
I hate how ppl think Islam is crawling under a rock. But nice topics, I am enjoying and wonder how did I ever manage being a sunni??? I guess when you convert it takes awile to get your feet wet.
Welcome back...I was away myself for a while busy with Egyptian Sunis who were trying to hijack the country.
Being arround free-minds is fun but I strongly believe we all need to be out there debating in the Suni forums so we can expose them to their readers.
Peace
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Guess I should not show up there and tell them the kids and I are going trick or treating! &
My kids and I go out, greet our neighbors and ask them if they need anything, not just take candy and run. My kids get to know the community. Then when they get home we keep some of the candy and donate the rest to the Ronald MacDonald House. They give the candy to the children staying there.
Through this process... My sunni hubby has a litter of kittens. Any one want a kitten just contact me.
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The thing that gets under my skin is the statement that crops up time and time again on the sunni forums
"science of the hadith
Are they for real? Apparently a body of contradictory laws and an amalgam of personal stories that were collated centuries after the event and passed on through chains of people is science apparently.
It's interesting. After CERN posted their findings on the neutrino being faster than the speed of light, they had their results tested agin and again, and then tested once more by peer review. THAT is science.
I know it's different and the analogy is tenuous, but there is a point there. Science is not Oh yeah, that dude said this and he heard it from that other dude and I know that guy, he's chill, so I'm pretty sure it's all good.
Have you guys heard of the "story" that sunni's tell when asked about the "science of hadith"? Bukhari once went to interview a man about a particular hadith. He saw him in the distance wrestling with his horse, who was being stubborn. In order to entice the horse, the man pretended to take an apple from his bag and managed to get the horse to calm down a bit. There was no apple. Bukhari saw this 'lie' and therefore knew that the man was not trustworthy enough to interview. Thus science o (apparently)
(This story was told to me by a classmate who was taking all science subjects and studying to be a doctor. He too, was under the belief that this act was equal to some kind of "science"
Bukhari, not Muhammad, has become the "messenger" to too many people.
End rant.
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Ok that thread is doing my head in. brick wall
S.S94, I'm coming in!
Apologies in advance if I say something stupid ha.
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It's interesting. After CERN posted their findings on the neutrino being faster than the speed of light, they had their results tested agin and again, and then tested once more by peer review. THAT is science.
And CERN's scientists never label anyone who disagree or challenge their findings as KUFFAR!! INFIDEL!! APOSTATE!!
THAT'S SCIENCE!!I know it's different and the analogy is tenuous, but there is a point there. Science is not Oh yeah, that dude said this and he heard it from that other dude and I know that guy, he's chill, so I'm pretty sure it's all good.
Correction It's actually
That dude said he heard it from 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) who heard it from another 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) who heard it from another 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) who heard it from another 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) that one of Mohammad (May God Bless His Soul)'s companion named 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) said...I'm amazed how does Bukhari mantain the integrity of narration to (so many) dead people.
Answer He must have an ability to communicate with the dead..Have you guys heard of the "story" that sunni's tell when asked about the "science of hadith"? Bukhari once went to interview a man about a particular hadith. He saw him in the distance wrestling with his horse, who was being stubborn. In order to entice the horse, the man pretended to take an apple from his bag and managed to get the horse to calm down a bit. There was no apple. Bukhari saw this 'lie' and therefore knew that the man was not trustworthy enough to interview. Thus science o (apparently)
(This story was told to me by a classmate who was taking all science subjects and studying to be a doctor. He too, was under the belief that this act was equal to some kind of "science"Yup.. it's a hadith about the one who collected the hadith..
You should ask your classmate regarding the chain of narration of that hadith about the one who collected the hadith.Bukhari, not Muhammad, has become the "messenger" to too many people.
We don't know for sure whether it's actually Bukhari who wrote all that junk..
We even don't know whether the 'hadith' as we have today is the same 'hadith' within the lifetime of Bukhari.
Who knows along the way some 'creative' scholars injected their own ideas into the hadith and claim it with Bukhari name.Salam / Peace
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Correction It's actually
That dude said he heard it from 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) who heard it from another 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) who heard it from another 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) who heard it from another 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) that one of Mohammad (May God Bless His Soul)'s companion named 'fulan' (May God Bless His Soul) said...rotfl rotfl
Yup.. it's a hadith about the one who collected the hadith..
You should ask your classmate regarding the chain of narration of that hadith about the one who collected the hadith.INCEPTION o A dream within a dream...
The question that comes up again and again (and on the sunni forum that is heating up now) is that soooo many scholars have come to the conclusion about the hadiths legitimacy. How can so many scholars be wrong?
To be honest, this baffles me too. How can so many people not have seen the most obvious thing. (occams razor).
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I think they are getting alarmed because so many of us are causing lots of dameges to their arrguments. Thank you to everyone supporting this effort.
Trust me, every thing we post in their website are read by others whom God wants to guide.Belh I'm meant to be doing my work! I have an assignment tomorrow and it's 2am! haha, I just have to keep checking that forum. Looks like we can't post though, they're getting suspicious about the number of new members.
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Belh I'm meant to be doing my work! I have an assignment tomorrow and it's 2am! haha, I just have to keep checking that forum. Looks like we can't post though, they're getting suspicious about the number of new members.
Thank you brother. It does not metter if they kick us out. we can join using different emails. I will not give up the fight. peace
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http//www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?79284-Shortening-Eyebrow-Hair/page1
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QUOTE OF THE DAY
"however there is a difference in opinion in this regard. speak to a scholar in you area. but Nabi SAWS did curse the one who plucks." -
http//www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?79284-Shortening-Eyebrow-Hair/page1
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QUOTE OF THE DAY
"however there is a difference in opinion in this regard. speak to a scholar in you area. but Nabi SAWS did curse the one who plucks."Advise them to be consistent with their doctrine
Advise them to release a bundled book containing "Quran + Shahih Hadiths" and name it "Yet Another New Testament" or "New Testament 2.0". And proclaim to all of the member of their sect (release a new 'fatwa ulema' that all 'believers' must believe in all of things written in this book otherwise they are not "Muslim" and shall be burned in hell for all eternity.
I bet at least 98% of this 'bundled book' contain explanations of 'petty stuff' and 'things which doesn't matter'.
PS If you want to have 'fun', ask them how to properly do the 'attahiyat', is it with index finger straight and hold it firm? or we can 'rotate' our index finger as thus making a circle? Or perhaps we can also use our 'middle finger' or 'pinky' instead? This kind of thing might trigger a 'hot debate' between them.
Salam / Peace
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haha how about this gem that I was just replied with
"As for your question, you are ignorant of how the hadeeth were preserved- ignorant of the glorious memory of the Arabs, ignorant all the way through- indeed, your compound ignorance is quite disconcerting."
The glorious memory...over two+ centuries. Over many generations. Over the very minutiae of personal life.
I do not think it is possible to get through to people so entrenched in their views. However, like belh said, we can hope to at least open the minds of some people stalking the forums who are on the fence.
Jafar, I don't think I could ask them that question, it might get too heated!
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haha how about this gem that I was just replied with
"As for your question, you are ignorant of how the hadeeth were preserved- ignorant of the glorious memory of the Arabs, ignorant all the way through- indeed, your compound ignorance is quite disconcerting."
The glorious memory...over two+ centuries. Over many generations. Over the very minutiae of personal life.
I do not think it is possible to get through to people so entrenched in their views. However, like belh said, we can hope to at least open the minds of some people stalking the forums who are on the fence.
Jafar, I don't think I could ask them that question, it might get too heated!
That, is why mind trick is an interesting method, when all methods fail. Mind trick is like a gun, use either for Evil or Good.
Don't loose hope, Allah is all Knowing.
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Thank you brother. It does not metter if they kick us out. we can join using different emails. I will not give up the fight. peace
Salaam Brother BelH,
In this thread you are defending the killing rule from Quran perspective.
http//www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?79213-Why-do-you-believe-in-hadith/page19You made a good point but I just want to say that you didn?t have to look that far.
Please read chapter 9 carefully, it?s from the beginning all ready understood to who this chapter is referring but I think that verse 913 is very clear to who this ?killing rule? is referring.913
Pickthall Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers