The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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,In the meantime, please check out these two breathtaking videos
The first from the documentary show "Ushuaia" describing the architecture of Yemen, and the famous trade routes of Arabia. It's called "Perfumes of Happy Arabia" (unfortunately, it's in French).
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1M6lmBEeP4&feature=related
The Second "Hadaramawt Land of Dreams" (This is the same "Hazaramaveth" which appears in the Torah).
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW7GVS-Jx0M&feature=related
Enjoy...
To Be Continued?
Salaam
Thank you Pazazu for the videos above; it seems they were done professionally, but with the mix of arabic and french commentary it was not easily understood. I hope one day we'll be able to see a full documentary on this captivating subject.
I think it's good that you are having to face so many questions about the valididity of your findings as this must pave the way for a thorougly reaserched book on the subject, hopefully authored by you.
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Shoukran Pazuzu D
i apreciatte your invitation and i will join if i find something usefull to complete this "issue" or others in forum, D , but in fact me and most of people here should/must give you your time to finish to explain your wellfounded and solid conclusion, so now is time for us to learn and check our conclusions, so im following each post very coriously, has i said before I NEED to now the rest(we all know in our Hearts) but i now you, us together will put all the picture so perfectly that will rest no doubt
As-Salamu Aleykum
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Thank you Pazuzu for your topic and interesting information, I admire your patience with all the questioners.
I am very eager, and a bit impatient, to read your post which announced about the Hebrew language!
For me that subject is extremely important, especially for the claims the Jewish tradition has, that God looked into the Torah and the Hebrew letters to create the world!
And that the Torah, with the Sacred Hebrew Language, was created even before the world!Please continue, thank you.
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Hello,
If I was fluent in English, I may join the discussion and put some thoughts as well. If I have to say in short, I just say that I totally disagree with Pazuzu in thread. In simple, all of those claims so weak and don't fit a bit. Traditional Islamic History regarding to Mohammad is rational and more accurate than any other claims in my opinion. The actual ambiguity is related with Abraham, Samuel, Jacob and his ancestors.. not related with Mohammad.
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Thank you Pazazu for the videos above; it seems they were done professionally, but with the mix of arabic and french commentary it was not easily understood. I hope one day we'll be able to see a full documentary on this captivating subject.
You're welcome. They are both almost the same. The first video is higher reolution, contains speech, and is slower to download. The second is lower resolution, and is just images and music, without speech, and downloads faster.
I think it's good that you are having to face so many questions about the valididity of your findings as this must pave the way for a thorougly reaserched book on the subject, hopefully authored by you.
I serioulsy doubt I can contribute anymore to this subject than what has already been written on it.
For me that subject is extremely important, especially for the claims the Jewish tradition has, that God looked into the Torah and the Hebrew letters to create the world!
And that the Torah, with the Sacred Hebrew Language, was created even before the world!LIES.
This is no different than the Shia Muslims' claim that their imams were born before the universe. That the names Ali, Hassan, Fatima, and Hussein were the names Allah gave to Adam, and that those "Infallibles" were the light from which teh Universe was created.
Can you see the pattern here? Same kind of corruption, with the same motive POLITICAL MANIPULATION.
What if I proved to you that there was never such thing as a "Hebrew" language? What if I proved to you that the language being spoken by the Jews in so-called "Israel" today, was invented by the Zionists in the late 19th Century, and is nothing more than a perverted version of Aramaic, mixed with an old German dialect?
What will your reaction be?
Traditional Islamic History regarding to Mohammad is rational and more accurate than any other claims in my opinion.
Traditional Islamic history is 90% garbage and only 10% truth.
The thing that annoys me about some FM members is how they are always so eager to disprove the historicity of Mecca. They will go to any length to prove that "Mecca didn't exist before so and so period" or that "It wasn't on any trade toute".
However, when they are presented with evidence concerning Palestine and Jerusalem; when they are shown solid archeoligical proof that the Jerusalem of Palestine didn't even exist before 600 BC, and that there is no trace of Solomon's temple there, they turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to it.
Why is that so? Why the double standard?
Pelase think and reflect on this...
I will continue this thread on the week-end.
Peace...
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As a reader in my childhood of the bible, I do have an impressi?n of it which is enduring. And nothing fits it better that its comparison with hadith. There are truths in the bible, whether revealed or not is left to perossonal opinion in each case, but it is an error to take it as a unit. The bible, the same has hadith, is a haphazard collection of narrations in which the best is mixed up with the worst, and with all in between. I remember still the distate with which, being a child, I read some passages. The arbitrariness of many things, shocking with it being considered a sacred book and particularly shocking to the mind of a child.
And that is what has always bothered me since childhood, the dutiful sacralisation of a history, of a people, of a land... Not to say that I would have them demonized, of course not, neither the one nor the other. All lands are sacred, all histories are sacred all people are sacred, because all belongs to God and God has not given anybody or any people an exclusive, or has a privileged private relation with God that is not given to others. God hos not done that, and it is on that pressumptions that all the "exceptionallity" of the Bible and the people and history told therein are sacralised, as if they were specislly sacred and therefore entitled to special regard. The Bible must be subjected to exactly the same rules as other books, other peoples other lands.
But THEY WERE THERE BEFORE AND TOOK THE BEST SEATS. But most of what has been seeped into our culture relies comes from everything being arranged so that it fits the bible and not taking as a prime consideration that everthing fits with prooved facts.It is true how poeple do not flinch at Jerusalem being taken as holy and can be revolted because Meka being taken as such. Couldn't we be a little more sober?
Jarusalem, as far as I am concerned, right now the "sacred" thing about it is the human and rightful ressistance of the Palestinian population to being treated has garbage for the benefit of some legends. Real people paying in blood to some old myths which as a principle sacralise one people to the detriment other people. And myths is what we would consider the bible narrations if we came from another culture not already impregnated by Judeochristian presettings, for instance Japan, simple myths, as such deserving scrupulous study to see how they formed and what comes from real events and what comes from other arrangements or sources.
But we have grown with that, just as we have grown on a soil. If the soil is withdrawn we cannot walk, if the ideological ground we are grounded in is withdrawn, we are lost.
But the belief in Jerusalem and the biblical myths is no more deserving of respect than any hadith or myth and belief in Mekka.
And it is not a football match either, that if one looses the other wins. May be they both win, may be they both lose, but it must rest on something else than presumptions, or, as some have said, default settings.
Salaam
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Peace everyone peace
I just read the article "Where Was Mohammed?" http//free-minds.org/where-was-mohammed
And now i am to say convinced by it that the real pilgramage is to jerusalem, and not to mecca!!!
Also, God Almighty Prophecised in the Quran that the children of Israel were going to occupy the Masjid!
Now To Pazuzu, Let me ask this, which place did/are the Children Of Israel currently occupying???
Unless you believe that the children of Israel are going to change their mind and occupy Yemen, then the Masjid refered in the Quran in sura 17, has to be around the occupied land, more likely the city of Jerusalem.
Also, what about Jesus, Was he not sent to the children of Israel in Jerusalem, and around that area? hmm
I think that article "Where Was Mohammed?" shedds much light )
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I just read the article "Where Was Mohammed?" http//free-minds.org/where-was-mohammed
And now i am to say convinced by it that the real pilgramage is to jerusalem, and not to mecca!!!That article was written by someone who had the pre-conceived notion that Palestine was the Holy Land promised to the Israelites. Because he didn't find any evidence that Mecca existed before the 3rd Century A.D, nor was it on any trade route, (and I agree fully with hin on this), he immediately shifted his attention north towards Jerusalem and became convinced that it was destination of the Patriarch Abraham (P).
He completely dismissed the possibilty of turning southwards towards Asir and Yemen. That possibility just didn't occur to him. He fell into the Zionist trap.
Despite the staggering evidence which has emerged from beneath the earth of Palestine, a spot of land that the Zionist archeologists have been turning inside out for over 80 years. They have not found a single BRICK to prove any Jewish presence there before 600 B.C.
And yet, you people still insist.
Now To Pazuzu, Let me ask this, which place did/are the Children Of Israel currently occupying???
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They are currently occupying NOTHING. The Children of Israel don't exist anymore. The Children of Israel were ancient tribes from the distant childhood of Arabia. They have vanished and long gone.
The occupiers of Palestine today are KHAZARI and EUROPEAN JEWS. They have NOTHING to do with Bani Israel. These crooks have taken the Torah, whose passages describe events which took place in South West Arabia, and claimed it as their own history.
The fact that you can't distinguish between Bani Israel and JEWS is truly sad. Bani Israel were the children of a man whom the Quran names Israel. He was a PERSON. They existed centuries before Judaism even appeared. Later on in their history, some of the Israelites embraced Judaism, while others embraced the Nasarene Creed. SOme even reverted to idol worship, as the Torah clearly states. Bani Israel were a TRIBE. Judasim is a RELIGION. For GOD'S SAKE!! Is it so hard to understand?
Tell me something do you know the difference between Quraish and Islam? Are they synonymous? Let's say a German man embraces Islam today (a religion which originated in Arabia). Does this mean that he becomes, by default, a descendant of Quraish, and has the rightful inheritance to thir land? Do we invite all German Muslims to come and occupy Arabia just because they embraced a religion that was born there?
By the EXACT SAME logic, the Jews who occupy Palestine today are Europeans and Khazars, who just happened to embrace Judaism, a religion which also was born in Arabia, as I have proved, and will continue to prove. So does this mean that they automatically become the rightful heirs of Bani Israel (an ancient Arab tribe) and are therefore entitled to come an occupy Yemen?
What is wrong with you, man? Is it so hard to understand?
THE JEWS WHO OCCUPY PALESTINE TODAY ARE NOT THE BANI-ISRAEL WHO ARE MENTIONED IN THE QURAN.
And by claiming that they are, you are unknowingly ACKNOWLEDGING them the right to occupy an Arab land.
Also, what about Jesus, Was he not sent to the children of Israel in Jerusalem, and around that area?
The Quran does not mention Jesus (Yeshua). It mentions Isa (Esau). These are two completely different names of tow completely different people, who have nothing to do with each other, not in time nor in place.
But that's a totally different subject which I will not disscuss here.
Peace..
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[They are currently occupying NOTHING. The Children of Israel don't exist anymore. The Children of Israel were ancient tribes from the distant childhood of Arabia. They have vanished and long gone.[/color
Qur'aan calls addressing these vanished and long gone people by name while Qur'aan is not for dead people.
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Peace Pazuzu peace
The children of Israel are not vanished, they are alive and thriving. They have to be alive as to conform their prophecy in Sura 17.
Now I will not dismiss Jesus, because he was sent to the children of Israel, which were by the Jerusalem area. Clearly if you read the Gospels' account of Jesus and the account of Esa in the Quran, you will see that they are the same people, just different spelling. Who was the Messiah? Who brought the Gospels? Was it not Jesus?
Let me state that Jesus's name was not "Jesus", but more likely the Hebrew Yeshua, which is a shortened form of the Hebrew Name Yahushua (~"God's Salvation". This name in arabic is put as 'esa in the Quran.
I will also cite Elijah, who in the original Hebrew is called Eli-YAHU, but in both the NT and the Quran, He is Called Elyas, does that mean that Eli-YAHU is not the same as the arabic ElYAS?.Another Point i want to mention is that it really does not matter where solomon's and David's kingdom were, because the original Promised land was from the brook of egypt (i.e Wadi el-Arish) to the north-eastern euphrates river (Gen 151. Thus his is where God Almighty will Bring the Children of Israel to, as per Quranic Prophecy in Sura 17. This Prophecy has already been taking place.
~Peace peace
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Qur'aan calls addressing these vanished and long gone people by name while Qur'aan is not for dead people.
Well, Mr. Mazhar, would you care to tell us where the Children of Israel are right now? Can you identify them?
If you think that the Ashkinazi Jews ( the Europeans and Khazars who are occupying Palestine right now) are the Children of Israel, then I weep for you. You are marketting Zionist propaganda without even being aware of yourself.
Take a look at the following photo
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Netanyahu.jpg
Now tell me. Does that man, whose parents imigrated to Palestine from POLAND, look Semitic to you?
Does he bear any relation whatsoever to the Children of Israel?The truth is that this man is of European descent. And if you trace his ancestry back deep enough, you will find them to be KHAZAR JEWS. Claiming that this man is Semitic is an insult to Semitism and an insult to humanity itself. To claim that he is from Bani Israel is a vile corruption of history itself.
Now look at this next photo
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Cute.jpg
That little fellow (a Yemeni Jew), has more Israeli blood coursing through his veins than all the Jews of occupied Palestine put together. And reading about him and the plight of his people will make your heart ache.
The Children of Israel do not exist anymore. They have scattered and mixed with the other races and peoples of the world.
Please wake up.
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Well, Mr. Mazhar, would you care to tell us where the Children of Israel are right now? Can you identify them?
If you think that the Ashkinazi Jews ( the Europeans and Khazars who are occupying Palestine right now) are the Children of Israel, then I weep for you. You are marketting Zionist propaganda without even being aware of yourself.
Take a look at the following photo
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Netanyahu.jpg
Now tell me. Does that man, whose parents imigrated to Palestine from POLAND, look Semitic to you?
Does he bear any relation whatsoever to the Children of Israel?The truth is that this man is of European descent. And if you trace his ancestry back deep enough, you will find them to be KHAZAR JEWS. Claiming that this man is Semitic is an insult to Semitism and an insult to humanity itself. To claim that he is from Bani Israel is a vile corruption of history itself.
Now look at this next photo
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Cute.jpg
That little fellow (a Yemeni Jew), has more Israeli blood coursing through his veins than all the Jews of occupied Palestine put together. And reading about him and the plight of his people will make your heart ache.
The Children of Israel do not exist anymore. They have scattered and mixed with the other races and peoples of the world.
Please wake up.
The Children of Israel are defined as those who follow the Torah and the old scriptures of the Bible and it is not based on blood lines!!!!!! It is based on the fact that they followed the same creed of Israel , Issac and Abraham (monotheism) !
What sort of nonsense are you propagating on this forum brother. Anyone who tries to claim that they know who is related to Abraham and who isn't is surely a deluded person!!!! No one has proof of such evidence!!! And if you say you have proof then bring your proof and don't make assumptions. This is what happens you stray from the Quran.
616 When Jesus, son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, I am God's messenger to you, authenticating what is present with me of the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose name will be ?most acclaimed.'" But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said, ?This is clearly magic.'
393 All the food used to be lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was sent down. Say, "Bring the Torah and recite it if you are truthful."
3223 We have given Moses the book. So do not be in any doubt about his encounter. We made it a guide for the Children of Israel.
The Children of Israel were those who followed the previous scriptures of the Book and the creed of Israel/Jacob and his fathers and not based on blood lines!
Peace,
Kevin
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You're welcome. They are both almost the same. The first video is higher reolution, contains speech, and is slower to download. The second is lower resolution, and is just images and music, without speech, and downloads faster.
I serioulsy doubt I can contribute anymore to this subject than what has already been written on it.
LIES.
This is no different than the Shia Muslims' claim that their imams were born before the universe. That the names Ali, Hassan, Fatima, and Hussein were the names Allah gave to Adam, and that those "Infallibles" were the light from which teh Universe was created.
Can you see the pattern here? Same kind of corruption, with the same motive POLITICAL MANIPULATION.
What if I proved to you that there was never such thing as a "Hebrew" language? What if I proved to you that the language being spoken by the Jews in so-called "Israel" today, was invented by the Zionists in the late 19th Century, and is nothing more than a perverted version of Aramaic, mixed with an old German dialect?
What will your reaction be?
Traditional Islamic history is 90% garbage and only 10% truth.
The thing that annoys me about some FM members is how they are always so eager to disprove the historicity of Mecca. They will go to any length to prove that "Mecca didn't exist before so and so period" or that "It wasn't on any trade toute".
However, when they are presented with evidence concerning Palestine and Jerusalem; when they are shown solid archeoligical proof that the Jerusalem of Palestine didn't even exist before 600 BC, and that there is no trace of Solomon's temple there, they turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to it.
Why is that so? Why the double standard?
Pelase think and reflect on this...
I will continue this thread on the week-end.
Peace...
Pazuzu, please do continue!
There are serious people like myself who do care about knowledge and information.
I am extremely interested in your opinion about Hebrew Language because I feel what you say might be the truth.
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Peace Pazuzu peace
Yes, there are proselyt "non-israelit" Jews out there, but the stipulation was put on those who Followed the Children of Israel's foot steps.Genesis 1712 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. NKJV
Circumcision was Abraham's Covenent, and to his descendents (i.e be circumcised and you will have inherited the land. BUT if you are not, then you are not entiteled the promised land, even if you're descended from Abraham Himself!)
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Pazuzu please respond to my last post (Who was the pharaoh of Moses) since you seem to alluded all of the points I made.
Brother let me say this again since you seem not to understand my last post.
The Egyptians built bricks/stones out of mud(clay) and reeds baked in the sun (or heated). The same thing which is said in the Quran
http//www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/building/
"Built of sun baked bricks made of Nile mud and straw, houses, palaces and city walls crumbled when they stopped being looked after"
This fact can be found on other websites. So the fact that you say the Egyptians built there temples, and pyramids out of solid rock and say nothing of how they were made says to me that you're trying to hide the truth.
This same fact is found in the Quran.....
2838 Pharaoh said, "O commanders, I have not known of any god for you other than me. Therefore, O Haman, fire up(fa-awqid) the bricks (l-ni means clay) and build me a platform, so perhaps I may take a look at the god of Moses! I am certain he is a liar."
So again I say WHERE IS THE INCONSISTENCY
"The earliest instance where pr-`3 is used specifically to address the ruler is in a letter to Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten), who reigned c. 1353 - 1336 BC, which is addressed to 'Pharaoh, all life, prosperity, and health!. During the eighteenth dynasty (sixteenth to fourteenth centuries BC) the title pharaoh was employed as a reverential designation of the ruler. About the late twenty-first dynasty (tenth century BC), however, instead of being used alone as before, it began to be added to the other titles before the ruler's name, and from the twenty-fifth dynasty (eighth to seventh centuries BC) it was, at least in ordinary usage, the only epithet prefixed to the royal appellative."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh
I feel sorry for those who listen to this nonsense. It is quite clear to me that they don't read enough. People have to understand that they were other civilizations that existed during the rule of the Egyptians. To say that Arabs did have the word "Pharaoh" (Fir'awn in arabic) which sounds similar is clear twisting/distortion of the truth.
Also Egyptian history is consistent with the Quran...The term 'Pharaoh' was only used for kings that existed during the New Kingdom. During the old kingdom they were called Kings as can be seen in the story of Joseph.
1243 The King said, "I continue to dream of seven fat cows which are being eaten by seven thin ones, and seven green pods and others which are dry. O you chiefs, tell me what my vision means if you are able to interpret the visions."
Brother why are you bringing up the Bible in this? I'm taking about the proofs in the Quran to prove that Fir'awn was from Egypt. Also again why are you surprised that there is no records of the exodus in Egypt. If I was Pharaoh of Egypt I personally would have gotten rid of any trace of the Children of Israel history since it's a shameful history to remember or record for an empire. A single man with a walking stick with no weapons , no artillery defeats a great Egyptian army!!! Wouldn't you call that brother a shameful piece of history???
Peace,
Kevin
Peace,Kevin.
In one of your post you said that the Children of Israel inherited the lands of the Pharaoh. When I showed you the proof that it wasn't so you didn't say anything
7137 We let the people who were oppressed inherit the east and the west of the land which We have blessed, and good word of your Lord was completed towards the Children of Israel. For they were patient, and We destroyed what Pharaoh and his people were doing, and what they contrived.
The Children of Israel never inherited the lands of the Pharaohs (or as you call it the land of there oppressors). They went to another land or area to worship God. The land of there forefathers (Abraham , Issac and Jacob) This is implied in the story in Sura 5
520 Moses said to his people, "My people, remember God's favor upon you that he made amongst you prophets, and made you sovereigns, and he gave you what He had not given any from the worlds."
521 "O my people, enter the holy land that God Has decreed for you, and do not turn your backs, or you will become losers."
522 They said, "O Moses, in it are a mighty people, and we will not enter it until they leave. So when they leave, then we will enter it."
523 Among those who were afraid, two men whom God had blessed, said, "Enter upon them through the gate; when you enter it then you will be the victors. You shall put your trust in God if you had acknowledged."
524 They said, "O Moses, we will never enter it as long as they are in it, so go you and your Lord and fight, we will stay right here!" ( The land which they eventually inherited had MIGHTY PEOPLE. Which would imply that they may have to fight in order to obtain the land)
525 He said, "My Lord, I do not control except myself and my brother, so separate between us and between the wicked people."
526 He said, "Then it has become forbidden for them for forty years, and they will be lost in the land." Do not be sorrowful over the wicked people.
The proofs are there in the Quran.
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Peace Pazuzu peace
Yes, there are proselyt "non-israelit" Jews out there, but the stipulation was put on those who Followed the Children of Israel's foot steps.Genesis 1712 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. NKJV
Circumcision was Abraham's Covenent, and to his descendents (i.e be circumcised and you will have inherited the land. BUT if you are not, then you are not entiteled the promised land, even if you're descended from Abraham Himself!)
Good response brother Youssef. This is what i was trying to point out. The definition of the Children of Israel is not based on bloodlines it is based on beliefs.
Peace,
Kevin
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I feel sorry for those who listen to this nonsense. It is quite clear to me that they don't read enough. People have to understand that they were other civilizations that existed during the rule of the Egyptians. To say that Arabs did have the word "Pharaoh" (Fir'awn in arabic) which sounds similar is clear twisting/distortion of the truth.
Thanks. It is great to have a saviour, but do not over do it, one doesn't have to be dumb ALL the time.
Also Egyptian history is consistent with the Quran...The term 'Pharaoh' was only used for kings that existed during the New Kingdom. During the old kingdom they were called Kings as can be seen in the story of Joseph.
You pretend to use as proof the very thing that is being contested.
Brother why are you bringing up the Bible in this? I'm taking about the proofs in the Quran to prove that Fir'awn was from Egypt. Also again why are you surprised that there is no records of the exodus in Egypt. If I was Pharaoh of Egypt I personally would have gotten rid of any trace of the Children of Israel history since it's a shameful history to remember or record for an empire. A single man with a walking stick with no weapons , no artillery defeats a great Egyptian army!!! Wouldn't you call that brother a shameful piece of history???
That is pure conjecture of the undiluted kind and no proof of anything whatsoever, except that you do not indeed have any real proof, because if you did have it, you would not resort to YOUR OWN conjecture.
In one of your post you said that the Children of Israel inherited the lands of the Pharaoh. When I showed you the proof that it wasn't so you didn't say anything
Again you are using as proof the very question that is being contested.
Salaam
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Salaam
I also agree that the majority of nowadays Jews are Europeans and Khazars. The reason for this is that during the Holocaust Zionist Jews had an understanding with the Nazis that they would be saved and they were given the posts as 'Kapos' (sub guards) in the concentration camps and were the last to be selected for "treatment" (killing), if at all later using that propoganda in return they wanted safe place/Jerusalem.
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KDC501
Thanks. It is great to have a saviour, but do not over do it, one doesn't have to be dumb ALL the time.You pretend to use as proof the very thing that is being contested.
That is pure conjecture of the undiluted kind and no proof of anything whatsoever, except that you do not indeed have any real proof, because if you did have it, you would not resort to YOUR OWN conjecture.
Again you are using as proof the very question that is being contested.
Salaam
My proof is from the previous scriptures and the Quran . Are you blatantly going to deny the Quran and what it says?
370 O people of the book, why do you reject God's signs while you are bearing witness?
371 O people of the book, why do you dress the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?
447 O you who have received the book(Jews and the Christians), acknowledge what We have sent down authenticating what is with you, before We cast down faces and turn them on their backs or curse them as the people of the Sabbath were cursed. God's will is always done.
2947 Similarly, We have sent down to you the Book. Thus, those whom We have given the book will acknowledge it.(Jews and the Christians) Also, some of your people will acknowledge it. The only ones who mock Our signs are the ingrates.
If you believe that every part of the Bible is false then it is quite clear to me that you don?t read the Quran carefully. How can any group of people bear witness to something they do not know?
Even God told Muhammad that if he was unsure of anything that was sent down to ask the people of book!
1094 If you are in doubt regarding what We have sent down to you, then ask those who have been studying the book from before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt.
If there wasn't any truth in the Bible then why would God ask the Jews and the Christians to judge by was sent them. Doesn't this imply that the Bible has the truth in it. Common sense.
543 How can they make you their judge when they have the Torah, containing God's judgment; then they turn away after that. They do not acknowledge.
544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is guidance and a light; the prophets who have peacefully surrendered judged with it for those who are Jews, as well as the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of God's book, and they were witness over it. So do not revere the people but revere Me; and do not purchase with My signs a cheap price. Whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the ingrates.
547 Let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. Whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.
Regarding the rest of my previous post you and no one else has answered my questions. There is more than sufficient proof in the Quran to proof to everyone that Egypt was the place were the Children of Israel resided and that Pharaoh was the Pharaoh of Egypt. So you show to me your proof using the Quran and I will show you mines. Your belief's and Pazuzu are the ones that hold no weight since there is ZERO proof of it in the previous scriptures. Plus the Pharaoh of Egypt story is completely consistent with the Quran!!!!Please tell me which person among the Children of Israel would bear witness to your assumptions???? The answer Absolutely none.
Peace,
Kevin