Pork & Logic
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The Qur'an says why, it is rijs. I do not like it trnaslated as pure, in the sense that it may be taken as ritually impure, and the Qur'an does not talk about impurity of that kind concerning food. It says in general that nothing that is good is forbidden. So if nothing that is good is forbidden, pig is not good for eating. And also see the company in which it appear carrion and blood, which obviously are impure, but not for any ritual reason, but simply as food for eating. It also says that if we are under need we may eat it. God does not forbid for the sake of forbidding, therefore the reason must be sanitary and as far as I can see there is not much mistery in it. Many people, who are not muslims or of jewish faith are forbidden to eat pork by their medicine doctor. That is very often. Many pregnant women are also forbidden. Metabbolisation of pig takes several months. It is a meat that is popular because economically you can get a lot of meat and other "edibles" very quickly, but not because of its quality.
Salaam
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There is no reason other than that God says don't eat it, so we obey.
What's wrong with the meat of an animal slaughtered in the name of other than God ?
Why is animal caught by a hunter dog is lawful but an animal caught by a lion is not?
If a lamb lost its leg in an accident and I immediately slaughtered it, why is it not allowed to eat its leg?
Why is it not allowed to eat animals struck by a car?
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If you are hunting, it is your dog, which you know and care and for which you can count for yourself. Of the lion, if you know that the killer is a lion, most you wouldn't know, and whatever you find, which you yourself have not killed you usually cannot answer for its sanitary condition.
As to the name of Allah that is the exception and it is not an impedimento to eat anything since you can say the name of Al-lah when you eat.
As to animal killed on the road, well, no, I do not think it is a good idea to eat them.
Of course with processed food and meat not guaranteed we may be eating many things we do not know.
As I understand it God does not prohibit the good things. Therefore pig is not, but other than that, I know that good is not good as food.
Salaam
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As I understand it God does not prohibit the good things. Therefore pig is not, but other than that, I know that good is not good as food.
Salaam
Of course I agree here. What I do not agree with is when we claim that we know what is good and speculate about health.
Other than swine and animals killed in a name other than of God, all the other animals are prohibited because they were not killed with the purpose of eating them.
In this respect, I point at the "strangled \ makhnouqa" which is not prohibited. What is prohibited is the animal that suffocates. This is the difference between makhnouqa strangled; and munkhaniqa suffocated , which is the one prohibited in the quraan.This is a higher level of good that touches the pride of the animal and which Muslims were unable to grasp.
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Pig has nothing to do with being killed one way or the other, and also in another aya we are told that we can eat the animals that feed on plants. The pig, does not feed on plants, in fact it is the animal, that does not feed on plants and that is part of ordinary diet anywhere.
As to those killed, it is logic that if you hunt with a dog, you know the og, you know what it has hunted, but if a lion has hunted you do not know anything about the lion, about what hapenned to the prey after it was killed by the lion, it is risky.
Those are preacautions, that even without the Qur'an peopla have taken, unless they were hungry to death, but then the Qur'an says to eat, but if we have a choice of what we eat, pig is not good, for eating.I come from peasant family who used to have pigs when I was a child. Nowadays they do not have animals, and they never eat pig, many times the doctor forbids pig, even in countries in which people eat a lot of it, and do not want to be forbidden that thing. If you are pregnant many obstetricians tell you not to eat pig. I see that there is a thrust today to convince that pig si perfectly okay very healthy and so on... I suppose a lot of money is at stake. Pigs are good business. They have many pieces in every delivery, reproduce wuickly get fat quickly, make money quickly. Doesn't matter if oin the process, where they are in concentration they completely spoil the soil and no other catlle does. Someone will clean up later.
Salaam
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Huruf,
if you are responding to my post, I am not saying that the way the animal is killed applies to pigs. These are examples to refute the health factor in prohibition. God gave us brains. He did not prohibit eating raw liver or raw fish, for example. Salt and fat are very harmful and so is red meat, but they are not prohibited. Bacteria and parasites in pork or any meat are destroyed by cooking fire, even preys caught by a lion. Life expectancy in the West is much higher than that in Muslim's countries. If it was for health reason, they should be absolutely prohibited, but they are not if you have hardly another choice, so you can eat them.
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With science you can prove anything bad or good. I can scientifically prove that potato chips gives us cancer
I haven't got a clue why pork is forbidden. Frankly, it doesnt matter so much to me. It's forbidden and I don't eat it.
However, the only "scientific" logical explanation I can find is population control. The pig is very easy to raise and farm, much more so than lamb or beef or poultry. Therefore pork is one major contributor why the human population has literally exploded in the last 200 or so years. I am not sure but I am not entirely refusing the thought that Allah does not find a population of anything grow so rapidly particulary good for His creation earth.
Another thing, correct me if I am wrong, but why don?t the jews eat pork? I heard is becaused they think the pig is possessed. I also remember this biblical passage where prophet Jesus healed a crazy man by removing his craziness and threw it into a herd of pigs (is a group of pigs a herd?) who turned crazy themselves and ran into a lake and drowned.
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Huruf,
if you are responding to my post, I am not saying that the way the animal is killed applies to pigs. These are examples to refute the health factor in prohibition. God gave us brains. He did not prohibit eating raw liver or raw fish, for example. Salt and fat are very harmful and so is red meat, but they are not prohibited. Bacteria and parasites in pork or any meat are destroyed by cooking fire, even preys caught by a lion. Life expectancy in the West is much higher than that in Muslim's countries. If it was for health reason, they should be absolutely prohibited, but they are not if you have hardly another choice, so you can eat them.
And there are places where they eat pig and still are faring worse than mny muslim countries. Pork ha to do with health, but of course, obviously, evidently, manifestly is not the only thing that has to do with health. eating in the first place is healthy. When you do not eat, you get sick. In spite of that the Qur'an does not forbid not eating.
As I said, pork is the only animal which is forbidden and is common staple in the world, rat may be eaten too, and is not good, but it is not forbidden specifically, because nobody, for the moment, is going to set up a rat farm.
What I said about patients being told by doctors in a country where pork is wholesale, that they abstain from pork, is for some reaosn, and so pregnant women and babies. I have never heard of any doctor forbidding rabbit, or chicken.
And what somebody said here about pigs having the same kind of meat has humans, also that is true.
Salt is not bad, it is indispensable. Of course in everything one can comit excess, but that would apply to everything. There are things where the excess is reached before than in others.
Metabolisation of pig takes six months, far far more than beef or lamb and far far far more than chicken.
So what do you understand by rijs? Ritual impurity as far as I can understand is excluded. You would just have to sea the name of God to eat it. And it is not to discipline us, as some people say, because rijs does not concern dicipline in that sense. So then what? Even though it is oh so very healthy it is rijs?
Salaam
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if you are responding to my post, I am not saying that the way the animal is killed applies to pigs. These are examples to refute the health factor in prohibition. God gave us brains. He did not prohibit eating raw liver or raw fish, for example. Salt and fat are very harmful and so is red meat, but they are not prohibited. Bacteria and parasites in pork or any meat are destroyed by cooking fire, even preys caught by a lion. Life expectancy in the West is much higher than that in Muslim's countries. If it was for health reason, they should be absolutely prohibited, but they are not if you have hardly another choice, so you can eat them.
Salaam sister,
How can understand 2236 if RED MEAT is harmful... I mean if it is VERY harmful?
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How do we understand "Budna" here? In them is good for YOU .
Please share your understanding with us.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. KhanSorry for off-topic!
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Salaam sister,
How can understand 2236 if RED MEAT is harmful... I mean if it is VERY harmful?
2236
How do we understand "Budna" here? In them is good for YOU .
Please share your understanding with us.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. KhanSorry for off-topic!
So? Did I say it is prohibited? Did I say it is better not to eat meat? What am alluding at is that health is not a reason for prohibition. If we are speaking health at the scale of pork meat, red meat is also harmful. Cow's madness disease is an example.
But with regard to this verse it seems that you think of "kheir" only as resulting from eating it and did not pay attention to its context. Hajj is mainly to feed the poor, and this is the kheir. Kheir in the qur'aan is often linked to charity. -
So? Did I say it is prohibited? Did I say it is better not to eat meat? What am alluding at is that health is not a reason for prohibition. If we are speaking health at the scale of pork meat, red meat is also harmful. Cow's madness disease is an example.
But with regard to this verse it seems that you think of "kheir" only as resulting from eating it and did not pay attention to its context. Hajj is mainly to feed the poor, and this is the kheir. Kheir in the qur'aan is often linked to charity.Salaam sister,
I understood what you said, but what I wanted to say is "red meat" cannot be harmful when it is said "Khair".
I agree with you 100% on khair that it is not only referring to eating it, but still eating is also included in it that clearly means that eating red meat is also khair for us, isn't it? Because I don't find any aayat going against red meat.
For example, birds are not mentioned in AlQuraan for eating here in this life, if someone say that birds are harmful to eat then it supports AlQuraan unlike red meat.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam...
Funnily enough, I am forbidden from eating red meat. High cholesterol '(Salaam sister,
I am sorry to disagree with you here sister as I believe very strongly for what I understand from AlQuraan until Allah show me something else, inshaAllah.
May Allah protect you and give you very good health by His grace pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam sister,
I am sorry to disagree with you here sister as I believe very strongly for what I understand from AlQuraan until Allah show me something else, inshaAllah.
May Allah protect you and give you very good health by His grace pr
Mohammed M. KhanDisagree with me in what, exactly? That I have high cholesterol or that I am obeying the instructions of my doctor?!
Well, get me from the qur'aan a verse that describes any food as kheir. -
For those who may be tempted to eat pig's meat here is a description of the animal that may dampen your desire. a quote "pork-loving friend eat, just clamber over into the reeking sty, and take a nearer view of the animal that is destined to delight the palates of some of your friends, perhaps your own. Make him straighten out his fore legs. Now observe closely. Do you see the open sore or issue, a few inches above his foot on the inner side?
Do you say it is a mere accidental abrasion? Find the same on the other leg; it is rather a wise and wonderful provision of nature. Grasp the leg high up and press downward. Now you see its utility, as a mass of corruption pours out. That opening is the outlet of a sewer. Yes, a scrofulous sewer; and hence the offensive, ichorous matter which discharges from it. Should you fill a syringe with mercury or some colored injecting fluid, and drive the contents into this same opening, you would be able to trace all through the body of the animal little pipes communicating with it.
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Read it here http//www.giveshare.org/Health/porkeatdanger.html -
With science you can prove anything bad or good. I can scientifically prove that potato chips gives us cancer
I haven't got a clue why pork is forbidden. Frankly, it doesnt matter so much to me. It's forbidden and I don't eat it.
However, the only "scientific" logical explanation I can find is population control. The pig is very easy to raise and farm, much more so than lamb or beef or poultry. Therefore pork is one major contributor why the human population has literally exploded in the last 200 or so years. I am not sure but I am not entirely refusing the thought that Allah does not find a population of anything grow so rapidly particulary good for His creation earth.
Another thing, correct me if I am wrong, but why don?t the jews eat pork? I heard is becaused they think the pig is possessed. I also remember this biblical passage where prophet Jesus healed a crazy man by removing his craziness and threw it into a herd of pigs (is a group of pigs a herd?) who turned crazy themselves and ran into a lake and drowned.
The Bible and eating pork
http//www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/pork2.html
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The Qur'an says to eat animals that feed on plants and prohibits pork because it is rijz.
Meaning according to PRL
to rumble. rujz/rijz - pollution/filth, calamity, evil kind of punishment, wrath, impurity, plague, scourge, pestilence, abomination, sin, iniquity, idolatry, disease in the hinder part of camels, deed deserving punishment.
Both together, and bearing inmind, everything that I have learnt about medicine and nutrition, tell me that it is a health measure. It is not sure that if you eat prok you are going to die poisoned, but just as it is not guranteed that you are not going to die poisoned if you eat rat.
About red meat I doubt very much you have to eat much in excess for that or have a particular problem.
And what happens with pork is that in fact when it is part of the diet it is for the whole life and in in considerable amounts. It is not like if you eat once a year.
If it is not a question of health -and I am sure it is- why is it not good then, why is it rijz, and why not eat animals which eat other animals?
Salaam