Pork & Logic
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There is no reason other than that God says don't eat it, so we obey.
What's wrong with the meat of an animal slaughtered in the name of other than God ?
Why is animal caught by a hunter dog is lawful but an animal caught by a lion is not?
If a lamb lost its leg in an accident and I immediately slaughtered it, why is it not allowed to eat its leg?
Why is it not allowed to eat animals struck by a car?
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If you are hunting, it is your dog, which you know and care and for which you can count for yourself. Of the lion, if you know that the killer is a lion, most you wouldn't know, and whatever you find, which you yourself have not killed you usually cannot answer for its sanitary condition.
As to the name of Allah that is the exception and it is not an impedimento to eat anything since you can say the name of Al-lah when you eat.
As to animal killed on the road, well, no, I do not think it is a good idea to eat them.
Of course with processed food and meat not guaranteed we may be eating many things we do not know.
As I understand it God does not prohibit the good things. Therefore pig is not, but other than that, I know that good is not good as food.
Salaam
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As I understand it God does not prohibit the good things. Therefore pig is not, but other than that, I know that good is not good as food.
Salaam
Of course I agree here. What I do not agree with is when we claim that we know what is good and speculate about health.
Other than swine and animals killed in a name other than of God, all the other animals are prohibited because they were not killed with the purpose of eating them.
In this respect, I point at the "strangled \ makhnouqa" which is not prohibited. What is prohibited is the animal that suffocates. This is the difference between makhnouqa strangled; and munkhaniqa suffocated , which is the one prohibited in the quraan.This is a higher level of good that touches the pride of the animal and which Muslims were unable to grasp.
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Pig has nothing to do with being killed one way or the other, and also in another aya we are told that we can eat the animals that feed on plants. The pig, does not feed on plants, in fact it is the animal, that does not feed on plants and that is part of ordinary diet anywhere.
As to those killed, it is logic that if you hunt with a dog, you know the og, you know what it has hunted, but if a lion has hunted you do not know anything about the lion, about what hapenned to the prey after it was killed by the lion, it is risky.
Those are preacautions, that even without the Qur'an peopla have taken, unless they were hungry to death, but then the Qur'an says to eat, but if we have a choice of what we eat, pig is not good, for eating.I come from peasant family who used to have pigs when I was a child. Nowadays they do not have animals, and they never eat pig, many times the doctor forbids pig, even in countries in which people eat a lot of it, and do not want to be forbidden that thing. If you are pregnant many obstetricians tell you not to eat pig. I see that there is a thrust today to convince that pig si perfectly okay very healthy and so on... I suppose a lot of money is at stake. Pigs are good business. They have many pieces in every delivery, reproduce wuickly get fat quickly, make money quickly. Doesn't matter if oin the process, where they are in concentration they completely spoil the soil and no other catlle does. Someone will clean up later.
Salaam
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Huruf,
if you are responding to my post, I am not saying that the way the animal is killed applies to pigs. These are examples to refute the health factor in prohibition. God gave us brains. He did not prohibit eating raw liver or raw fish, for example. Salt and fat are very harmful and so is red meat, but they are not prohibited. Bacteria and parasites in pork or any meat are destroyed by cooking fire, even preys caught by a lion. Life expectancy in the West is much higher than that in Muslim's countries. If it was for health reason, they should be absolutely prohibited, but they are not if you have hardly another choice, so you can eat them.
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With science you can prove anything bad or good. I can scientifically prove that potato chips gives us cancer
I haven't got a clue why pork is forbidden. Frankly, it doesnt matter so much to me. It's forbidden and I don't eat it.
However, the only "scientific" logical explanation I can find is population control. The pig is very easy to raise and farm, much more so than lamb or beef or poultry. Therefore pork is one major contributor why the human population has literally exploded in the last 200 or so years. I am not sure but I am not entirely refusing the thought that Allah does not find a population of anything grow so rapidly particulary good for His creation earth.
Another thing, correct me if I am wrong, but why don?t the jews eat pork? I heard is becaused they think the pig is possessed. I also remember this biblical passage where prophet Jesus healed a crazy man by removing his craziness and threw it into a herd of pigs (is a group of pigs a herd?) who turned crazy themselves and ran into a lake and drowned.
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Huruf,
if you are responding to my post, I am not saying that the way the animal is killed applies to pigs. These are examples to refute the health factor in prohibition. God gave us brains. He did not prohibit eating raw liver or raw fish, for example. Salt and fat are very harmful and so is red meat, but they are not prohibited. Bacteria and parasites in pork or any meat are destroyed by cooking fire, even preys caught by a lion. Life expectancy in the West is much higher than that in Muslim's countries. If it was for health reason, they should be absolutely prohibited, but they are not if you have hardly another choice, so you can eat them.
And there are places where they eat pig and still are faring worse than mny muslim countries. Pork ha to do with health, but of course, obviously, evidently, manifestly is not the only thing that has to do with health. eating in the first place is healthy. When you do not eat, you get sick. In spite of that the Qur'an does not forbid not eating.
As I said, pork is the only animal which is forbidden and is common staple in the world, rat may be eaten too, and is not good, but it is not forbidden specifically, because nobody, for the moment, is going to set up a rat farm.
What I said about patients being told by doctors in a country where pork is wholesale, that they abstain from pork, is for some reaosn, and so pregnant women and babies. I have never heard of any doctor forbidding rabbit, or chicken.
And what somebody said here about pigs having the same kind of meat has humans, also that is true.
Salt is not bad, it is indispensable. Of course in everything one can comit excess, but that would apply to everything. There are things where the excess is reached before than in others.
Metabolisation of pig takes six months, far far more than beef or lamb and far far far more than chicken.
So what do you understand by rijs? Ritual impurity as far as I can understand is excluded. You would just have to sea the name of God to eat it. And it is not to discipline us, as some people say, because rijs does not concern dicipline in that sense. So then what? Even though it is oh so very healthy it is rijs?
Salaam
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if you are responding to my post, I am not saying that the way the animal is killed applies to pigs. These are examples to refute the health factor in prohibition. God gave us brains. He did not prohibit eating raw liver or raw fish, for example. Salt and fat are very harmful and so is red meat, but they are not prohibited. Bacteria and parasites in pork or any meat are destroyed by cooking fire, even preys caught by a lion. Life expectancy in the West is much higher than that in Muslim's countries. If it was for health reason, they should be absolutely prohibited, but they are not if you have hardly another choice, so you can eat them.
Salaam sister,
How can understand 2236 if RED MEAT is harmful... I mean if it is VERY harmful?
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How do we understand "Budna" here? In them is good for YOU .
Please share your understanding with us.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. KhanSorry for off-topic!
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Salaam sister,
How can understand 2236 if RED MEAT is harmful... I mean if it is VERY harmful?
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How do we understand "Budna" here? In them is good for YOU .
Please share your understanding with us.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. KhanSorry for off-topic!
So? Did I say it is prohibited? Did I say it is better not to eat meat? What am alluding at is that health is not a reason for prohibition. If we are speaking health at the scale of pork meat, red meat is also harmful. Cow's madness disease is an example.
But with regard to this verse it seems that you think of "kheir" only as resulting from eating it and did not pay attention to its context. Hajj is mainly to feed the poor, and this is the kheir. Kheir in the qur'aan is often linked to charity. -
So? Did I say it is prohibited? Did I say it is better not to eat meat? What am alluding at is that health is not a reason for prohibition. If we are speaking health at the scale of pork meat, red meat is also harmful. Cow's madness disease is an example.
But with regard to this verse it seems that you think of "kheir" only as resulting from eating it and did not pay attention to its context. Hajj is mainly to feed the poor, and this is the kheir. Kheir in the qur'aan is often linked to charity.Salaam sister,
I understood what you said, but what I wanted to say is "red meat" cannot be harmful when it is said "Khair".
I agree with you 100% on khair that it is not only referring to eating it, but still eating is also included in it that clearly means that eating red meat is also khair for us, isn't it? Because I don't find any aayat going against red meat.
For example, birds are not mentioned in AlQuraan for eating here in this life, if someone say that birds are harmful to eat then it supports AlQuraan unlike red meat.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
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Salaam...
Funnily enough, I am forbidden from eating red meat. High cholesterol '(Salaam sister,
I am sorry to disagree with you here sister as I believe very strongly for what I understand from AlQuraan until Allah show me something else, inshaAllah.
May Allah protect you and give you very good health by His grace pr
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Salaam sister,
I am sorry to disagree with you here sister as I believe very strongly for what I understand from AlQuraan until Allah show me something else, inshaAllah.
May Allah protect you and give you very good health by His grace pr
Mohammed M. KhanDisagree with me in what, exactly? That I have high cholesterol or that I am obeying the instructions of my doctor?!
Well, get me from the qur'aan a verse that describes any food as kheir. -
For those who may be tempted to eat pig's meat here is a description of the animal that may dampen your desire. a quote "pork-loving friend eat, just clamber over into the reeking sty, and take a nearer view of the animal that is destined to delight the palates of some of your friends, perhaps your own. Make him straighten out his fore legs. Now observe closely. Do you see the open sore or issue, a few inches above his foot on the inner side?
Do you say it is a mere accidental abrasion? Find the same on the other leg; it is rather a wise and wonderful provision of nature. Grasp the leg high up and press downward. Now you see its utility, as a mass of corruption pours out. That opening is the outlet of a sewer. Yes, a scrofulous sewer; and hence the offensive, ichorous matter which discharges from it. Should you fill a syringe with mercury or some colored injecting fluid, and drive the contents into this same opening, you would be able to trace all through the body of the animal little pipes communicating with it.
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Read it here http//www.giveshare.org/Health/porkeatdanger.html -
With science you can prove anything bad or good. I can scientifically prove that potato chips gives us cancer
I haven't got a clue why pork is forbidden. Frankly, it doesnt matter so much to me. It's forbidden and I don't eat it.
However, the only "scientific" logical explanation I can find is population control. The pig is very easy to raise and farm, much more so than lamb or beef or poultry. Therefore pork is one major contributor why the human population has literally exploded in the last 200 or so years. I am not sure but I am not entirely refusing the thought that Allah does not find a population of anything grow so rapidly particulary good for His creation earth.
Another thing, correct me if I am wrong, but why don?t the jews eat pork? I heard is becaused they think the pig is possessed. I also remember this biblical passage where prophet Jesus healed a crazy man by removing his craziness and threw it into a herd of pigs (is a group of pigs a herd?) who turned crazy themselves and ran into a lake and drowned.
The Bible and eating pork
http//www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/pork2.html
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The Qur'an says to eat animals that feed on plants and prohibits pork because it is rijz.
Meaning according to PRL
to rumble. rujz/rijz - pollution/filth, calamity, evil kind of punishment, wrath, impurity, plague, scourge, pestilence, abomination, sin, iniquity, idolatry, disease in the hinder part of camels, deed deserving punishment.
Both together, and bearing inmind, everything that I have learnt about medicine and nutrition, tell me that it is a health measure. It is not sure that if you eat prok you are going to die poisoned, but just as it is not guranteed that you are not going to die poisoned if you eat rat.
About red meat I doubt very much you have to eat much in excess for that or have a particular problem.
And what happens with pork is that in fact when it is part of the diet it is for the whole life and in in considerable amounts. It is not like if you eat once a year.
If it is not a question of health -and I am sure it is- why is it not good then, why is it rijz, and why not eat animals which eat other animals?
Salaam
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The Torah talks about why Swine is forbidden to eat, although it makes an exception from the rule that animals with cloven hoof (as swine have) are kosher. The explanation is that the swine, unlike the cow for instance does not 'chew the cud' (Deuteronomy) i.e. does not regurgitate the food. Does anybody know the significance of chewing the cud; does it perhaps reduce the amount of toxins absorbed by the body? ! hmm
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The Torah talks about why Swine is forbidden to eat, although it makes an exception from the rule that animals with cloven hoof (as swine have) are kosher. The explanation is that the swine, unlike the cow for instance does not 'chew the cud' (Deuteronomy) i.e. does not regurgitate the food. Does anybody know the significance of chewing the cud; does it perhaps reduce the amount of toxins absorbed by the body? ! hmm
Eating pork is something of a mystery. Its one of the prohibitions I have not figured out. But what is interesting is that the Gospel did not emphasize that but the Koran did. One person once told me that Pork needs higher temperatures to cook than other meats.
Its myoglobin content is lower than that of beef, but much higher than that of chicken. The USDA treats pork as a red meat. Pork is very high in thiamin (vitamin B1). Pork with its fat trimmed is leaner than the meat of most domesticated animals, but is still high in cholesterol and saturated fat.
In 1987 the U.S. National Pork Board began an advertising campaign to position pork as "the other white meat" ? due to a public perception of chicken and turkey (white meat) as healthier than red meat. The campaign was highly successful and resulted in 87% of consumers identifying pork with the slogan. The board retired the slogan on March 4, 2011.
Undercooked or untreated pork may harbour pathogens, or it can be recontaminated after cooking. In one instance, the FSIS detected Listeria monocytogenes in 460 lbs of Polidori brand fully cooked pork sausage crumbles. The FSIS has previously stated Listeria and other microorganisms will be "destroyed by proper handling and thorough cooking to an internal temperature of 160 ?F (71 ?C)" and that other microorganisms, such as E. coli, Salmonella, and Staphylococcus aureus can be found in inadequately cooked pork, poultry, and other meats. The FSIS currently recommends cooking ground pork to 160 ?F (71 ?C) and whole cuts to 145 ?F (63 ?C) followed by a 3 minute rest.
The pig is the carrier of various helminths, such as roundworms, pinworms, hookworms, etc. One of the most dangerous and common is Taenia solium, a type of tapeworm. Tapeworms may transplant to the intestines of humans, as well, when they consume untreated or undercooked meat from pigs or other animals. If the infection is not treated, it can be fatal.
Although not a common cause of illness, Yersinia enterocolitica ? which causes gastroenteritis ? is present in various foods, but is most frequently caused by eating pork and can grow in refrigerated conditions. The bacteria can be killed by heat. Nearly all outbreaks in the US have been traced to pork.
Pork may be the reservoir responsible for sporadic, locally acquired cases of acute hepatitis E (HEV) reported in regions with relatively mild climates. It has been found to transmit between swine and humans.
Vacuum packed pork loin filletsTrichinosis, also called trichinellosis, or trichiniasis, is a parasitic disease caused by eating raw or undercooked pork infected with the larvae of a species of roundworm Trichinella spiralis, commonly called the trichina worm. Infection was once very common, but is now rare in the developed world. From 2002 to 2007, an annual average of 11 cases per year were reported in the United States; the majority were from consuming wild game or the source was unknown. The number of cases has decreased because of legislation prohibiting the feeding of raw meat garbage to hogs, increased commercial and home freezing of pork, and the public awareness of the danger of eating raw or undercooked pork or wild game products.
Religious restrictions on the consumption of porkMain article Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork
JudaismPig's meat, including pork, is one of the most well known examples of non kosher food. This prohibition is based on Leviticus chapter 11 and Deuteronomy chapter 14Leviticus 112-4, 7-8
"These are the creatures that you may eat from among all the animals that are upon the land. Everything that possesses a split hoof, which is fully cloven, and that brings up its cud -- this you may eat. But this is what you shall not eat from what brings up its cud or possesses split hooves - the camel, because it brings up its cud but does not possess split hooves...and the pig, because it has split hooves that are completely cloven, but it does not bring up its cud -- it is impure to you and from its flesh you may not eat."
Deuteronomy 148"And the pig, because it possesses split hooves and does not bring up its cud -- from its flesh you may not eat."
As indicated by the biblical verses, Jews may not consume any land animal that does not possess both traits.The animal must possess completely split hooves;
The animal must bring up its cud.IslamPork is prohibited by the Islamic dietary laws. Throughout the Islamic world many countries severely restrict the importation or consumption of pork products. Examples are Iran, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and Maldives (though conversely, the pig is the most widely reared livestock in Muslim-majority Malaysia). The Qur'anic basis for the Islamic prohibition of pork can be found in suras 2173, 53, 560, 6145 and 16115.
Chapter (Sura) 2 - Verse (Ayat) 173 Al-Baqara (The Cow)
"He has forbidden you only the Maitah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than God (or has been slaughtered for idols). But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, God is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful."
Other religions and culturesSeventh-day Adventists, Rastafarians, and members of the Ethiopian Orthodox church also do not eat pork. Scottish pork taboo was Donald Alexander Mackenzie's phrase for discussing an aversion to pork amongst Scots, particularly Highlanders, which he believed stemmed from an ancient taboo. Several writers who confirm that there was a prejudice against pork, or a superstitious attitude toward pigs, do not see it in terms of a taboo related to an ancient cult. Any prejudice is generally agreed to have disappeared by 1800.
Pork meat and cannibalismDuring an interview in 2007, the notorious German cannibal Armin Meiwes said, "The flesh tastes like pork, a little bit more bitter, stronger. It tastes quite good."
About 3% of piglet mortality is related to cannibalism. This brings up the danger of prion development when eating pork. This chance already is slightly increased because of the high tissue similarity of pork and human.
Disease in porkPork, usually if undercooked, is also known to carry some life-threatening diseases such as pork tapeworm and trichinosis. Scholars recently have suggested that some of the stigma placed on pork by Islam and Judaism might stem, in part, from ancient times when pork would be the carrier of disease
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork
It could be for health reasons. Maybe.