The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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So you know that the second pronoun refers to "abd"?
What's the problem then?
When I said the only pronoun, I meant a pronoun that does no refer to a specific person as I understood from your post.Thereby, you agree that this pronoun does not relate to Musa alahissalam.
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Mazhar, nowadays anyone can claim to be a scholar after parrotting a couple of ayats from the Quran...
Do you claim to be a scholar Mazhar?
and who authorises you to tell me to shut up?
what you are doing is just pelting your frustration at people who say that which you do not agree with... and shower ad hominem on them...
in that context, you are far from earning respect or worth listening to...
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Peace,
Since this is all about Yemeni history, perhaps explain this and who was in charge back then?
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Transliteration
b kh ya l / r h m n n / w m s ya h ha /
m l k n / a b r ha / z ya b m n / m l k / s b a / w z r ya d n / w h dh r m d t
Transcription
B'khail / ar-rahman / wmaseeha /
malikan / Abraha / Zaybm / malik /
sab'a / w zarydan / w hadarmaut
Translation
With the power (help) of god, and the Jesus (=Christian) King Abraha Zeebman (King's title), the King of Saba'a, Zuridan and Hadrmaut.(ii)
w ya m n t / w r a a'in r b ha m r / ta w d m /
w t ha m t / s ta r w / z n / s ta r n / k gh z ya w
w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow
and Yemen and the tribes (on)
the mountains and the coast wrote these lines on his battle -
I know that people who do not have substance in their minds eventually have a very loud mouth.
If you think that pazuzu has put some material worth consideration and that you have become enlightened and a scholar, okay, you pin down what has he said and his conclusions reached. Otherwise keep your mouth shut.
Mazhar
& of loud mouth? In Saudi style you order people to shut their mouth but remember the truth will spread futher than this fourm insha'Allah sun -
Mazhar
& of loud mouth? In Saudi style you order people to shut their mouth but remember the truth will spread futher than this fourm insha'Allah sunHaphazardly!!!
I am aware of your article and I am sorry to say it did not convice me as much as Pazuzu did, even if he did put his findings "haphazardly". OMHO
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And please keep in mind my prophecy of puzuzu's vanishing from the forum. Lies are only spread, not defended.
OH NOOO NOT ANOTHER PROPHECY.... unless the Zionist Saudies are out to make sure he vanishes, but if he does another truth sayer will come in his place insha'Allah.
Byeeeee -
There is a name for Mazhar on the world wide web blogosphere...
people like him are called trolls...
one should refrain from feeding them as they become bigger, more audacious and vicious in their comments...
hence, I should ignore him, and save myself losing my intelligence responding to his provocative inane ramblings...
a pity he quotes verses from the Quran in vanity and ignorance...
may Allah guide him to better manners and knowledge...
and my last prayers are all praise to Allah Master of the Worlds...
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Thereby, you agree that this pronoun does not relate to Musa alahissalam.
What?
It relates to the subject of Allah whom He made to walk at night.
The mention of Musa immediately afterwords shows he was meant by the term "Abd", unless you think that there's a "Abd" of Allah whom He made to walk at night and whom we know nothing about. In this case he is not Muhammad either.. -
Peace,
The standing place of Ibrahim
Find your feet and stand with Ibrahim in salat.
You can stand in salat with Ibrahim even though he is dead. How?
Stand in salat in Al-Masjid Al-Haram!
If anyone wants to truly know for ALLH, learn what a Lagrange point is. Gravitomagnetic stability will show you the path to the standing place. Do not fear words on a screen, they are just words. ALLH is more important to you than "your time". It was never "your" time, it is ALLH's time.
Peace
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Good Day...
Since the Pharoah thread has become a circus, I have decided to get a very important point across concerning the matter of Abraham and the Bayt. And this thread is the appropriate place to post it, because it is directly connected to the location of Muhamad (P).
On the circus thread, member Nabster wrote the following
Well it is meaningful to me, a foundation is an underlying structure and a skeleton for a building, there is no other way around it, it had to be there, as the foundations were there, it is self evident from the sentence, and you need to raise the "building/sanctuary" from them...
Now how would Ibrahim know where to build it, there is always wahy and inspiration from Allah... It should be Bakkah, and the obvious candidate is the first Man Adam, then Nooh... etc
Now where is Bakkah... maybe in Yemen? Allah knows, but forensic work in archeology is the answer...
I do not think anymore that Bakkah is in Palestine (a Roman name)...
I believe the time has come to put this issue to rest once and for all.
Abraham did not BUILD anything. There is no structure of any kind mentioned in the Quran, having to do with al-Bayt. The word "qawa3id" does NOT mean "foundations" in that context. and Abraham didn't "raise" anything.
What do you think about that?
This false idea must be cleared from our heads if we are to understand what is going on.
The FM translation says
{And as Abraham raised from the Sanctuary its foundations, along with Ishmael "Our Lord accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable."}...
The Arabic text says "Yarfa3u' l qawa3id min al bayti".
The word "yarfa3u" here means he REMOVED or LIFTED something FROM al bayt. There were certain things that were "qawa3id" (stagnating or fixed for a long time), and Abraham removed them.
This is similar to Allah telling Muhamad
{Did We not comfort your chest * And take from you your load * Which had put strain on your back?}...
Note the expression "take from you your load". It means Allah REMOVED the load that was straining Muhamad's back. The Arabic text says "narfa3u 3anka" (We "lifted it" or "removed it".
Abraham REMOVED something.
Now, I believe the word "qawa3id" can also mean "something which has been sitting, or stagnating, or fixed in its place for a long time".
So what is the verse talking about?
The answer to this puzzle is found elsewhere in the Quran. Pay attention to this
{....And We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael "You shall purify My Sanctuary for those who visit, and those who are devoted, and the kneeling, the prostrating."}...
They PURIFIED the sanctuary. They did not build anything. The Sanctuary was already there.
It was Allah who had shown Abraham the location of this Santuary (Bayt), and then commanded him to "clean it"
{And We showed Abraham the location of the House "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My House for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating}...
Allah led him to it (helped him find its location).
The Sanctuary of Allah is a natural place. It is not a structure of any kind. The CUBE that we see today in Mecca, which has been destroyed several times, was not built by Abraham. It is a PAGAN stucture that has nothing to do with Islam whatsoever.
So what did Abraham do? He CLEANED the place. He lifted / removed ("yarfa3u" the UNCLEAN things which were stiing there / had stagnated there ("qawa3id".
Abraham removed idols which had been put in the Santuary. He didn't BUILD anything. The Santuary was there since the time of Adam.
So if it is not a structure, then what is it?
Again, the answer is found in the Quran
{Our Rabb, I have resided part of my progeny in an uncultivated valley, at your Restricted Sanctuary}...
The Arabic text says "3inda baytika al-Muharram" the word "3inda" means AT, not "NEAR" as the FM translation says.
Conclusion The Bayt (Sanctuary) is a secluded VALE somewhere up in the Heights of Asir. Abraham cleaned it by removing the idols which had been placed in it. ("yarfa3u 'l qawa3id min al Bayti ). This vale had been sacred to the inhabitants of this region since the dawn of time.
And it is the SAME valley where Allah spoke to Moses, and told him to remove his slippers.
Also, I must add that the Sanctuary is not meant to be in the middle of a city ir an urban center. What the Saudis have done today is a farce, and an in insult against Allah and his Deen.
Also, I wil add that there is no such place in Jerusalem.
__Peace...
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Peace, Pazuzu
Great article.
Then you slip and again reduce Al-Masjid Al-Haram to a physical place alone. It is not a physically fixed point alone.
Think about the symbolic interpretation of Al-Masjid Al-Haram too.
Somewhere with the clear and with the wisdom of the symbols is the real Al-Masjid Al-Haram.
Peace
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Dear IAMOP
You are mixing between the Masjid Haram abd Bayt al- Haram. They are not the same thing.
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Great article Bro Pazuzu, bravo
I do like your rendition regarding "gawa3id stagnant", same word used for "al gawa3id min an-nisaa'" (24 60) and the similar figurative meaning in verse (16 26) where even "bunian " does not mean concrete building.
Until you come to where you write
{And We showed Abraham the location of the House "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My House for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating}...
Allah led him to it (helped him find its location).
This is where you slip. The verse shows clearly where the Bayt is where nothing is associated with God.
The other point you did not ponder on is the description of the Bayt as "haraam" and "muhar-ram". I hope you do not take it for granted as meaning "sacred". It IS forbidden.
Where do we find (not to associate others with God) and (forbidden) in one verse which, later shows that this IS the "deen" of Ibrahim?
Say, "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. that you not associate anything with Him, (6151) And ths is nothing but the Straight Path (6153)
After reciting all this which is "hurrim", we read in verse 6161Say, "Indeed, my Lord has guided me to a straight path - a correct religion - the way of Abraham, inclining toward truth. And he was not among those who associated others with Allah."
So why associate a valley, a sanctuary or any building with God?
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Dear Pazuzu,
I love your energy and thinking "out of the box" - but you keep making leaps in logic which to me have no basis from the Quran.
Let me explain
I believe the time has come to put this issue to rest once and for all.
Abraham did not BUILD anything. There is no structure of any kind mentioned in the Quran, having to do with al-Bayt. The word "qawa3id" does NOT mean "foundations" in that context. and Abraham didn't "raise" anything.
What do you think about that?
This false idea must be cleared from our heads if we are to understand what is going on.
The FM translation says
{And as Abraham raised from the Sanctuary its foundations, along with Ishmael "Our Lord accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable."}...
The Arabic text says "Yarfa3u' l qawa3id min al bayti".
The word "yarfa3u" here means he REMOVED or LIFTED something FROM al bayt. There were certain things that were "qawa3id" (stagnating or fixed for a long time), and Abraham removed them.
This is similar to Allah telling Muhamad
{Did We not comfort your chest * And take from you your load * Which had put strain on your back?}...
Note the expression "take from you your load". It means Allah REMOVED the load that was straining Muhamad's back. The Arabic text says "narfa3u 3anka" (We "lifted it" or "removed it".
Abraham REMOVED something.
Now, I believe the word "qawa3id" can also mean "something which has been sitting, or stagnating, or fixed in its place for a long time".
So what is the verse talking about?
The answer to this puzzle is found elsewhere in the Quran. Pay attention to this
{....And We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael "You shall purify My Sanctuary for those who visit, and those who are devoted, and the kneeling, the prostrating."}...
They PURIFIED the sanctuary. They did not build anything. The Sanctuary was already there.
It was Allah who had shown Abraham the location of this Santuary (Bayt), and then commanded him to "clean it"
{And We showed Abraham the location of the House "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My House for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating}...
Allah led him to it (helped him find its location).
The Sanctuary of Allah is a natural place. It is not a structure of any kind. The CUBE that we see today in Mecca, which has been destroyed several times, was not built by Abraham. It is a PAGAN stucture that has nothing to do with Islam whatsoever.
So what did Abraham do? He CLEANED the place. He lifted / removed ("yarfa3u" the UNCLEAN things which were stiing there / had stagnated there ("qawa3id".
Abraham removed idols which had been put in the Santuary. He didn't BUILD anything. The Santuary was there since the time of Adam.
I like the evidence you have presented even though I do not agree. The reason I do not agree is that if the structure was already standing as you state, then verse 2226 does not carry much meaning that God would need to "inspire/lead him" to it. Especially that Abraham and Lot were already led to the Holy Land after they left their people. Also, "qawa3d" has been used clearly in the Quran to signify "foundation" - thus Abraham "raised from the foundation the Bayt".
So if it is not a structure, then what is it?
Again, the answer is found in the Quran
{Our Rabb, I have resided part of my progeny in an uncultivated valley, at your Restricted Sanctuary}...
The Arabic text says "3inda baytika al-Muharram" the word "3inda" means AT, not "NEAR" as the FM translation says.
Conclusion The Bayt (Sanctuary) is a secluded VALE somewhere up in the Heights of Asir. Abraham cleaned it by removing the idols which had been placed in it. ("yarfa3u 'l qawa3id min al Bayti ). This vale had been sacred to the inhabitants of this region since the dawn of time.
And it is the SAME valley where Allah spoke to Moses, and told him to remove his slippers.
Here is where you have abondoned the Quran to desire...Where did you get "Asir" from? Your argument about the foundation was supported at least by some verses - but then you make a quantum leap in logic and bring a subject matter without any such support.
This leap of logic is also why you are trying to force the story of Moses to be in Asir as you realize that Moses needed to be close to the holy valley since he speaks with God on his way from Egypt to Midian.
Also, I wil add that there is no such place in Jerusalem.
There is no valley in Jerusalem? Are you sure? Just look at a map - the Kidron valley runs adjacent to the Temple Mount and runs all the way to the Dead Sea (the sea of Lot). If Lot resided at the end of the valley, then that would make him "near/at the Temple".
