"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
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Wow,
Great stuff Pazuzu.
You helped me a lot connect the dots.
I now know why Zionists are desperate to find anything to prove their claims to Palestine.
I am not sure if you guys remember the greatest forgery that was exposed regarding the tablet of Solomon and the tomb of the brother of jesus that was exposed in 2003 which basically has shattering consequences and showed that most of the biblical era artifacts found in museums all over the world proved to be forged.
A BBC documentary on this scandal
King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlBI8ENkqkits 5 parts
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- The Migration of Peoples and Names
In order for us to delve into the depths of Arabia?s history ? a history that has been veiled and hidden by the hands of corruption and forgery ? we have to understand the phenomenon of ?tayammun?, and the effects it has on all geographical searches and evidences. This phenomenon is as old as humanity itself, and will continue to exist as long as there are humans on this Earth, and lands to explore. It consists of migrating tribes taking with them the names of cities or landmarks in the homeland which they left behind, and assigning these names to their new homeland.
Although this phenomenon has been unquestionably proven by anthropologists and linguists alike, it can cause some confusion to geographers and historians if it not taken into account when studying the history of the past nations, due to the similarity (duplicates) it creates between names of cities or locations.
And nowhere is the phenomenon of tayammun more evident than in ancient Arabia and the Levant regions. And we can see plenty of evidences of this in the forgotten books of history written by Arabs scholars. For example, in his book entitled ?Fat2 al ? Bari? , geographer and historian Ibn 2ijr relates to us the following (volume 11 . page 410)
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Let me translate to you what Ibn 2ijr is saying There are two places known as ?Sana?a?. There is the famous Sana?a of Yemen (the capital that is at least 2500 years old), and there is another small town on the outskirts of Damascus (capital of Syria) called ?Sana?a? as well. Ibn 2ijr tells us that during the Muslim ?conquest? (or should I say ILLEGAL ANNEXATION) of the Levant, under Omar bin al-Khatab, the original inhabitants of Yemen settled in that region of the subburbs of Damascus, and it became known as the ?New Sana?a? (so to speak).
So if news of a certain event which happened in Sana?a was being spread, of course the first thing that will come to mind is the Sana?a of Yemen, because of its popularity. But the fact is, the event could very well have taken place in the other, far less known Sana?a which is today a subburb of Damascus.
Now, if we stop a little bit and study this phenomenon in our modern age, we will find that there are countelss names of cities and towns that are duplicated all across the world, especially in the ?new? continents that were the target of exploration and colonization. Here are a few examples
1- The city of Washington, which is today the capital of the USA, was named after a small town by the same name on the outskirts of Newcastle, England. This shows that the people who named the Washingtom of the New World so, were the orignal settlers who had come from Brittain.
2- The city of New Orleans, also in the USA, was named after the old (original) Orleans in France. Everyone in the USA knows full well that a great percentage of the inhabitants of this city are descendants of the original settlers that had migrated from France, bringing with them all the memories and names they held dear to their hearts, as a kind of ?optimism charm? to start their lives in the new continent.
3- The city of New York was also named after the original (parent) York, which is in England.
4 ? There are no less than 5 cities/towns by the name of "Mecca" in North America alone! And these cities were named so because of the phenomenon of tayammun.
And this phenomenon included not only the names of cities and towns, but also of famous landmarks or geographical features (rivers, mountains, valleys), as we will soon see.
Going back to Arabia and the Levant, this explains to us the many dupicates in the names of cities all across these regions. And the glaring evidence is that the original name is always found to be in Yemen or Asir.
You wonder why that is so?
There is the city of Jarash in Jordan?.and there is also Jarash in Yemen (same word, ش. So which is the original, and which is the tayammuni name? To answer this, we simply need to follow the direction of the migrations.
Here is what the giant Arab geographer, al-Hamadani says about this famous Yemeni location in his book ?Description of Arabia? (DoA)
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Al Hamadani is describing Jarash as a location containing many watery streams, which in the ancient times was settled by the ?3awasij? (Jewish nobles of Himyar). It lay at the mouth of the Bisha valley in the Asir region.
There is a town called Qana in Lebanon (where the Israelis perpetrated a massacre in 1996, when they fired missiles at a UN buidling harboring refugees, and killed 100 people, mostly women and children). There is also a Qana in Yemen. Which is the original and which is the tayammuni name?
Here?s one of dozens of links you can find about this ancient Yemeni port city, which played a very important role in the incense trade in the distant past
http//www.fotosearch.com/ICN240/f0020468/
Just Google ?Qana, Yemen? and see for yourself.
There is even an ancient town called ?Badr? in south Asir, near the border of Yemen, and I will show you exactly where it lies when I finally pin-point the location of Muhamad (P). I will show you how the Northern Arabs hijacked this name and gave it to a town south of Yathrib (Medina), and claimed that Muhamad faught his first battle against the disbelievers of Quraish there.
But for now, let us look at, with some detail, the ancient and ruined city of Soor in Yemen (mentioned over 50 times as ?Tyre? in the English translations of the Old Testament).
This ancient city has been embedded in the Arabian memory for time out of mind, as an example of the destruction which befalls human settlements resulting from natural catastrophies. It is located in a province known as ?Mikhlaf Jayshan? , to the south of Sana'a. It is in the greatest of the old Yemeni ?makhaleefs? (provinces or mini-kingdoms), and during the time of Muhamad (P), it was famous as the homeland of the Qaramita a prestigious Yemeni clan who were among the first to embrace Muhamad?s message. Tyre was their capilatl city. (I will show you where it is on the map).
In his book DoA, al-Hamadani says the following about Soor (Tyre)
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He names some of the most important towns of the mikhlaf. Pay attention to the two underlined words Badr and Soor (Tyre). Both these ancient towns were part of the Jayshan Province.
Another geographer, Yaqoot al 2amwi, associates the Mikhlaf of Jayshan with the craddle of many clans, among them the Qaramita, who were among the most prominent clans in Islamic history.
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The city of Tyre perished as a result of a series of volcanic eruptions which left a permanent trace in the tribal memory of ancient Arabia. The town, which was originally one of the most prosperous in the Surat region, tragically became an example of nature?s wrath, and a subject of many ancient Arabian poems.
The famous Yemeni poet, Ibn Harma, wrote the following verse in memory of this doomed town
It appears that the fate of Tyre was a truly devastating event that shook the entire region, and was considered the standard example by which natural destruction was measured. So tragic was it that, eventually, it became the stuff of legend. So much so, that many of the classical commentators of the Quran interpreted the following verse
{We tested them like We tested those who owned the garden, when they swore that they will harvest it in the morning}?
...as a reminder of Tyre.
There is even a hadith which is attributed to the prophet Muhamad (P), wherein he says to Ali bin Abi Taleb
Translation "Shall I teach you some words that, if the example of Tyre should come to pass, Allah will forgive you?"
Now, before you all jump at me and critisize me for using hadiths to prove a point, I will tell you this the hadith, regardless if it is fabrication or not, is still an indicator of the trace that the destruction of Tyre had left in the memory of the Arabs. The point is not to determine its authenticity, but simply to point out that the Arabian tribes were very familiar with the town of Tyre, and knew well of its terrible fate.
It appears that the destuction of Tyre by a volcanic eruption was much more recent than the destruction of Lot, for the Arabs to remember it that vividly and mention it in their poems.
What does this tell us?
It tells us that the Tyre mentioned over 60 times in the Old Testament, CANNOT be the Tyre of Lebanon. That would be geograohically impossible.
Here are a few passages from the Old Testament
Now Hiram king of Tyre sent his servants to Solomon, because he heard that they had anointed him king in place of his father, for Hiram had always loved David (1 Kings 51)
In the entire history of the Levant, there has never been any mention of a king named "Hiram". The Lebanese historians themselves have denied he ever existed. Only from the Old Testament do we know of his existence.
Here is another passage
Then Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, and carpenters and masons. And they built David a house (2 Samuel 511)
This is the famous story of king David, who requested of the king of Tyre to send him some cedarwood so he could build a great house.
Has there ever been any cedars anywhere near the costal city of Tyre in Lebanon?
Better yet, are there any volcanoes in or near Lebanon?
For thus says the Lord GOD "Behold, I will bring against Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, with chariots, and with horsemen, and an army with many people" (Ezekiel 267)
Did Nebuchednezzar invade Lebanon from the north? Is there any archeological evidence of Assyrian/Babylonian conquests in LEBANON?
Which Tyre is being mentioned here, folks?
Again I ask you the question Where in the world are we?
I think the anwer to this is obvious. The city of Tyre on the meditteranean coast of Lebanon, which lies at sea level, was named after the Tyre of Yemen, which lay at an altitude of over 1000 meters, when the Arabian tribes migrated northwards to the Levant. It is one of hundreds of examples of tayammun.
What about the name ?Lebanon? itself? Where did that come from? (I think our friend Jafar, who is s big Phoenician enthusiast will not be too happy to hear this one).
There are twin mountain peaks in Yemen called ?Lebynan? (meaning the two ?Lebyns?). The name is composed of Lebyn + the suffix ?an?, which indicates dualilty (two). And these peaks are located in teh Asir region, not far from the ruins of Jarash. Lebynan was famous for snow which would sometimes cover its twin peaks in the winter months.
Ask any resident of Asir where these peaks are and you can rest assured he/she will point you to them.
Here is what al-Hamadani says in DoA (page 283) about these two mountains
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Here, al-Hamadani is naming the best known peaks around Najran. Among those are Shoukan (meaning the dual ?shouk?), al-Jalaliyyan (the dual ?jalali?), Naf2a,?. Lower Labakha, and Lebynan (the dual ?Lebyn?). The mountain peaks are all nearly 3000 meters high, and the sight of snow on their peaks is not unfamiliar.
Snow in Asir? YES.
Take at look at the following
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Snow1.jpg
Snow covering the peaks of the Surat.
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Snow2.jpg
Snow on a mountain highway in Asir.
So not only was the Lebanese city of Tyre named after an older Yemeni city, but the ENTIRE country of Lebanon itself, famous for its snowy peaks , was named after a similar mountain in the Asir region.
And this is another example of tayammun.
The following map, taken from Fadhel al Rubaye's book "The Land of the Torah in Ancient Yemen" shows just where these places are
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Doc.jpg
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The red circle shows Ur-Salem (Bayt Yaboos), Mount Zion, and Ari2a (the original Jericho).
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The blue circle shows Jarash
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The green circle shows Mount Lebynan
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The orange circle shows the ruins of Tyre.
- Astronomical Proof The Sundial of Ahaz
POSTSCRIPT TO THE SECOND EDITION OF "THE HISTORICITY OF BIBLICAL ISRAEL STUDIES IN 1& 2 SAMUEL" (2010)
"The Sundial of King Ahaz" ; by Anthony Lias.
In 1985, Professor Kamal Salibi, of the American University of Beirut, wrote a brilliant book entitled ?The Bible Came from Arabia?. Having had unexpected access to a gazetteer of Saudi Arabia published at Riyadh in 1977, his study of it confirmed him in the belief that the place-names of the Hebrew Bible ? the actual location of which has always troubled Biblical scholars if taken to apply to what we now call Palestine ? fitted perfectly if applied to the region called Asir, situated in West Arabia abutting on the Red Sea.
As someone who has a working knowledge of the original Hebrew vocabulary of the Bible, and who has published three books on place-names myself, I found the hundreds of examples listed by Professor Salibi absolutely convincing. However, I have recently found what I regard as a further powerful proof that Professor Salibi?s argument is correct. To explain why, I must point out that Asir lies (and lay) well within the tropic zone (between 17 and 19 degrees north of the Equator).
This retrograde motion of a shadow cast by a gnomon (i.e., a sundial pointer) has traditionally been regarded as a ?miracle?, because at the latitude of the present-day Jerusalem (31 degrees 47 minutes north of the Equator), such a motion would be impossible. However, and I quote a respected figure, the English mathematician/astronomer Thomas Keith (1759-1824)
?If a horizontal dial, which shows the hour by the top of the perpendicular gnomon, be made for a place in the torrid zone , whenever the sun?s declination exceeds the latitude of the place, the shadow of the gnomon will go back twice in the day, once in the forenoon and once in the afternoon, and the greater the difference between the latitude and the sun?s declination is, the farther the shadow will go back.?
Source Thomas Keith, A New Treatise On The Use Of The Globes. Revised Edition. London, 1855, pp. 336-7
Anthony Lias continues by saying
Now according to Professor Salibi, the original Jerusalem of Isaiah?s time will not have been in today?s Palestine, but in Asir, and within the torrid zone. Therefore the retrograde shadow on the ?dial of Ahaz? will not have been a ?miracle?, but a fact. And no doubt an experiment could be set up in Asir at the present time to prove this. (N.B since declination is the angular distance north or south of any heavenly body from the celestial equator, and since the highest possible declination of the sun is 23 degrees 28 minutes, it is plain that during certain months of the year the shadow will go back for every location within Asir.) It is possible that Professor Salibi is unaware of these astronomical details, which I believe are a vindication of his thesis.
The story about the odd behaviour of the sundial of King Ahaz also occurs in (2 Kings, 208-12). Here, the story makes it obvious that Isaiah knew that the ?shadow of the degrees? on the sundial would go back, and that King Hezekiah did not. My theory is that Isaiah (who is thought by some Biblical scholars to have acquired some astronomical knowledge from the Assyrians), duped Hezekiah into thinking he was witnessing a ?miracle?, while in reality he was witnessing a genuine phenomenon in the Jerusalem of Asir whose existence is proposed by Professor Salibi, not the later one of Palestine. The fact of the retrograde motion of the shadow of a gnomon within the tropics is independently confirmed and fully explained by Denis Savoie in his book Sundials, Design, Construction and Use (English translation by Bob Mizon, Springer Praxis Publishing, 2009), Appendix F (6), pp.163-4.
Now the question is Was this experiment ever conducted?
The answer is a big resounding YES. It was conducted in 2010 by a Saudi Scientist, Dr. Nureddine al-Mustaqeem.
Read about it here
http//kamalsalibi.blogspot.com/
Conclusion It is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for such a phenomenon to take place in Palestine, because it is too far north. For the sundial shadow to behave in such a way, the experiment would have to be conducted in the torrid zone (closer to the equator).
What more proof do you need that they have been looking for ?Israel? in the wrong place?
THE END...
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Thank you brother Pazuzu for another step to find truth, it is very evident indeed sun
What more proof do you need that they have been looking for ?Israel? in the wrong place? rotfl
they are too woried with other stuff.. and they prefer not to see, the only problem is that people are dying for their "childish attitudes"... nopeBut We can really start to understand the Quran as it suposed to be, at lest for non-arabic born speakers.. its a chance to accurate words (like Msr ) that next generation can be tought at least in a better way, more acurate, and less blind
Knowledge is not a competition, its the "fuel" for global understanding and tolerance, so i will be waiting for the next thread of Muhamed(P) that brother Pazuzu pormissed O0
Salaam
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THE END...
bravo
Now for all the cheerleaders -- which fact did you find compelling (one at a time please); was it all the bible nonsense?
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Thank you Pazuzu bravo
Thank you brother Pazuzu for another step to find truth, it is very evident indeed sun
What more proof do you need that they have been looking for ?Israel? in the wrong place? rotfl
they are too woried with other stuff.. and they prefer not to see, the only problem is that people are dying for their "childish attitudes"... nopeBut We can really start to understand the Quran as it suposed to be, at lest for non-arabic born speakers.. its a chance to accurate words (like Msr ) that next generation can be tought at least in a better way, more acurate, and less blind D
Knowledge is not a competition, its the "fuel" for global understanding and tolerance, so i will be waiting for the next thread of Muhamed(P) that brother Pazuzu pormissed O0
Salaam
AGREE!
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Thank you for that link.
It shows to what lengths the forgers and LIARS are willing to go to "create" evidence of a great empire (from the Euphrates to the Nile) of which there is not a single mention in all of history.
These are the same people who planted false evidence (chariot wheels) in the Red Sea, and claimed they were relics of Pharoah.
But the Sunna of Allah states that the truth will always overcome the falsehoods in the end. And their falsehoods are being exposed by their very own scientists.
@Noon dhe plume
Now for all the cheerleaders -- which fact did you find compelling (one at a time please); was it all the bible nonsense?
Yes, the Old Testament does contain a lot of falsehoods and distortions. But I firmly believe that somewhere underneath the pile of garbage is the truth. The five books that they call "Torah", which relate the chronicles af Bani Israel, was originally a very accurate and genuine account. It was later, during the Babylonian Exile, then the Septuagint translations later on, and finally the Masoritic articulation of the silent Aramaic letters that the text became corrupted. Add to that the Orientalist and Imperialist who are obssessed with Palestine. When they found a few (10%) names in Palestine matching names in the Torah they immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was their "Promised Land". They didn't bother to look for the remaining 90% of the matching place names.
So yes, there was a king named Hiram, and a king named David who asked him for some cedarwood. But their failure to find any trace of them in the Levant is not because the Biblical text is nonsense, but because they have been looking in the wrong place.
Peace and OUT...
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I heartily welcome diversity of views and opinions, but the some "antiPauzu", dear brothers-sisters, I think you are taking it too needlessly passionately. Keep on posting your objections surely, but what is the use of showing such unpleasantness about people taking to whatever they want to take, and how does it further or support your own views to call opponents this or that. I think it defeats your purpose.
What does it matter how many people o ips or whatever want to believe this or that? It doesn't change a thing. Just relax. Things eventually sort out themselves. Better not to overdo it. People usually can watch perfectly for themselves and they do things for a reason and adhere to a certain view for a reason, just like you.
On the other hand, don't you really see any flaws in the current prevailing view set up? Because if what Pazuzu is putting forward meets with such a success it is because there is already the ground for it, and if you do not believe yourself idiots, in which of course I agree, other people are not idiots either. And we should not be disdainful differences are a blessing, not a curse.
Salaam
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peace
He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding
Do they not reflect? Their companion is not seized with madness he is but a perspicuous warner {7184]
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bravo--; was it all the bible nonsense?
Salaam NDP
After today?s post I will not be communicating with you until my confidence in your posts has been restored, so I will ask you for the last time; have you even read Pazuzu?s posts with an open mind? If so you will have seen several ayahs from the Qur?an, which indisputably support his version. However it is the unhistorical narrative of the Bible that some ?followers? of the Qur?an blindly accept, and for that reason it is imperative to employ those very accounts to refute the bogus history that?s been imposed on us. Also Jews and Christians do not uphold the Qur?an and therefore it is nonsensical to call it ?bible nonsense?.
Shall I remind you what the reporter said towards the end of part 5 of the documentary ?King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone?, posted by abuamrrami? He said ?It is a deeply shocking revelation and beyond that there is something even more disturbing; the forgers were playing on the desire of millions of people to see the bible confirmed as history, it?s an immensely cruel and cynical thing to have done?. Sadly I also felt that some ?followers? of the Qur?an were attempting to twist the ayats of the holy Qur?an to fit their preconceived notions (which were actually received from the Bible!) examples A garden scene with a pool fragment of a wall painting from an ancient Egyptian tomb, built around 1350 BCE
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Salaam NDP
After today?s post I will not be communicating with you until my confidence in your posts has been restored, so I will ask you for the last time; have you even read Pazuzu?s posts with an open mind? If so you will have seen several ayahs from the Qur?an, which indisputably support his version. However it is the unhistorical narrative of the Bible that some ?followers? of the Qur?an blindly accept, and for that reason it is imperative to employ those very accounts to refute the bogus history that?s been imposed on us. Also Jews and Christians do not uphold the Qur?an and therefore it is nonsensical to call it ?bible nonsense?.
Shall I remind you what the reporter said towards the end of part 5 of the documentary ?King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone?, posted by abuamrrami? He said ?It is a deeply shocking revelation and beyond that there is something even more disturbing; the forgers were playing on the desire of millions of people to see the bible confirmed as history, it?s an immensely cruel and cynical thing to have done?. Sadly I also felt that some ?followers? of the Qur?an were attempting to twist the ayats of the holy Qur?an to fit their preconceived notions (which were actually received from the Bible!) examples A garden scene with a pool fragment of a wall painting from an ancient Egyptian tomb, built around 1350 BCE
peaceIt is Pazuzu who does not read posts. He only puts all stupid sort of assertions and then runs away. I forced and cornered him to put the summary of all rubbish he had floated on another thread. He did it and later seems to have considered it as his stupid act. After that day he has not responded a single post on that thread to justify the nonsense he had been posting. He is the time waster.
Ask him to answer the facts quoted alongwith Arabic text of Qur'aan. His last post was
Re Who Was the Pharoah of Moses
? Reply #138 on November 13, 2011, 011913 AM ?Quote on Page-14.I am sure he will not make and put up a summary of all that he has said on this thread and indicate where has he arrived from journey in bewilderment.
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It is Pazuzu who does not read posts. He only puts all stupid sort of assertions and then runs away. I am sure he will not make and put up a summary of all that he has said on this thread and indicate where has he arrived from journey in bewilderment.
Salaams Brother??
I'm amazed to see 'believers', I take it you regard yourself as one? behave like cock sure atheists, or convicted felons, in aggressive denial although they have no foot to stand on, and nothing to back up their denial. "Nope it wasn't me!" Impressive. wow nope -
I am sure he will not make and put up a summary of all that he has said on this thread and indicate where has he arrived from journey in bewilderment
Salaam
Are you trying to drag the other subject into this one to create confusion? In the future please stick to the relevant thread.
I want to know why you expect everyone to answer you when you evade answering very reasonable questions like ?why no mention of Yousuff (as) in Egyptian records etc?
According to you is current Egypt the Msr of the Qur'an and is one of the bodies of Pharoahs, mummified by their devotees, that of the Fir3oun mentioned in the Qur'an??
Since you have apparently assumed the role of the inerrant scholar of Arabic and the Qur'an please tell me who are refered to as "We" here 1092 "This day, We will preserve your body, so that you become a sign for those after you." But most of the people are unaware of Our signs!
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According to you is current Egypt the Msr of the Qur'an and is one of the bodies of Pharoahs, mummified by their devotees, that of the Fir3oun mentioned in the Qur'an??
I did not say mummified Pharaoh. I quoted what Misr means in Arabic, and that signifies none but the country known in general parlance as Egypt.
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Salaam
Are you trying to drag the other subject into this one to create confusion?Is this means creating confusion?
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I am sure he will not make and put up a summary of all that he has said on this thread and indicate where has he arrived from journey in bewildermentSummary will put the things straight, point wise, convenient to answer and confront him with hard facts, which is a normal treatment for bewildered minds.
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I think this thread too needs a warning ignore Mazher he is the time waster par excellence!
ByeeeeeDear you asked the question
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when you evade answering very reasonable questions like ?why no mention of Yousuff (as) in Egyptian records etc?I gave you the reason
Why no mention of Papyrus in their heiroglaph record? Did Chinese invent papyrus?
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Salaam NDP
After today?s post I will not be communicating with you until my confidence in your posts has been restored, so I will ask you for the last time; have you even read Pazuzu?s posts with an open mind?Salaam IMHO,
Yes. His posts have ZERO evidence only conjecture and hearsay. Example incense burner?
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig01_aramaic.htm
- 600 BCE Aramaic cannot find where they dug it up, most probably in N. Arabia
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/medium/color_md_jpeg/fig01_c_md.jpg
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He claimed it was found in Yemen and ?baffled archaeologists..." yet when Samia asked him to prove it, nothing.
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Earliest Arabic writings date 1st century BCE, pre 150 CE, and Namarah inscription of 328 CE
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions
There was no evidence presented from Yemen.
If so you will have seen several ayahs from the Qur?an, which indisputably support his version.
Verses and evidence please?
However it is the unhistorical narrative of the Bible that some ?followers? of the Qur?an blindly accept, and for that reason it is imperative to employ those very accounts to refute the bogus history that?s been imposed on us. Also Jews and Christians do not uphold the Qur?an and therefore it is nonsensical to call it ?bible nonsense?.
I don't follow bible hadith since one cannot tell what is fabricated and much of it is nonsense.
Therefore, dismissed as evidence http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/Shall I remind you what the reporter said towards the end of part 5 of the documentary ?King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone?, posted by abuamrrami? He said ?It is a deeply shocking revelation and beyond that there is something even more disturbing; the forgers were playing on the desire of millions of people to see the bible confirmed as history, it?s an immensely cruel and cynical thing to have done?.
So they arrested a fake Israeli archeologist; post evidence from Yemen please?
Sadly I also felt that some ?followers? of the Qur?an were attempting to twist the ayats of the holy Qur?an to fit their preconceived notions (which were actually received from the Bible!) examples A garden scene with a pool fragment of a wall painting from an ancient Egyptian tomb, built around 1350 BCE
Qur?an clearly refuted you in the other thread which you claimed and erroneously translated...
? Quote from IMHO on November 20, 2011, 013855 PM
?We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected
What could be greater work than Prymids ?4425 how many they left from gardens and water pools
4426 and corn fields and places noble
4427 and pleasant things they were in it taking delightSalaams Brother??
I'm amazed to see 'believers', I take it you regard yourself as one? behave like cock sure atheists, or convicted felons, in aggressive denial although they have no foot to stand on, and nothing to back up their denial. "Nope it wasn't me!" Impressive. wow nopeSalaam -- perhaps you like to tell us what evidence or "facts" that you found most compelling?