Salat the unsolved mystery
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Dear kamking,
You are correct in identifying that those who follow Quran alone are at variance in this matter.
Check out the posts given by Jack above, they are useful.
The best advice I can offer is that which descended on Muhammad, that most empowering word read!
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all give references from Quran to make their point , Ladies and Gentlmen WHAT IS SALAT ?? I am non arabic speaker , relying on translations , striving to follow Quran Alone . Where is The Truth ???
Dear brother,
This link may help you inshaAllah.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601300.msg261111#msg261111
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
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Shalom,
I think SALAT will remain an unsolved mystery till the date you learn to tolerant other people's opinions. Personally, I hold the view that it is a time that I must isolate from my daily life for the sole remembrance of the master of the Heavens. I hold it 3 times in day. I stand humbly submissive ,recite, bow,prostrate. I fall on my face and the remaining is personal between my mind and God.
Peace be on you
------------------------- Student of Allah
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Shalom,
I think SALAT will remain an unsolved mystery till the date you learn to tolerant other people's opinions. Personally, I hold the view that it is a time that I must isolate from my daily life for the sole remembrance of the master of the Heavens. I hold it 3 times in day. I stand humbly submissive ,recite, bow,prostrate. I fall on my face and the remaining is personal between my mind and God.
Peace be on you
------------------------- Student of Allah
Very good point.
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http//mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/
PART ONE
Misconception
The Qur?an (or the reading)
Serve God alone
God is not an Arab
Ownership claim
Create division among people
Stone worshipers
Worship of mountain rocks
The conspiraciesPART TWO
There is no ?religion? of God
Deen does not mean religion
Total Freedom
Virtual idols
Serve God through commitments
God is not to be ?worshiped?
Moses and Jesus did not worship God
Religion is man madePART THREE
The Arab religion
Arab tales about the present ?Ka?aba?
Religion is not from God
Arab religious laws
The Arab ritual prayer
AnnexPART FOUR
Sol-laa is commitment not ritual prayer
Sol-laa between people
Sol-laa to yourself
Sol-laa is about doing ?deeds?
Abraham?s commitments
Moses? commitments
Jesus? commitments
Muhammad?s commitments
Ask for God?s help without rituals
Glorify God through commitments
Ritual prayer is not in the Qur?an
Ritual prayer is a conspiracyPART FIVE
The Sol-laa shuffle
How the Arabs do the ?Sol-laa shuffle?
Frequently asked questions
Questions that the religionists cannot answerPART SIX
Religious tithe collection is a scam
Zakaa does not mean religious tithe
Basic universal values
Charity is prescribed
Religious tithe invented by the religionists
Zakaa is not about money
The meaning of the word ZakaaPART SEVEN
The prime target was Abraham
The significance of Abraham?s status
Fairy tales to strengthen the conspiraciesPART EIGHT
The worship of stone house
Abraham did not know anything about Mecca
Bayta is a system, not a house
Bayta according to the reading
Bayti-ya in the Reading
?Haram? is not ?Sacred?
Take the challenge to find the system
What is inside the Bayta?PART NINE
The corruption continues
Abraham?s status (maqami ibrohim)
The word committed corrupted
Cleanse the system
?Group of people? corrupted
Thawwaf
Cleaving becomes retreating
?Humbly consenting? becomes ?bow and prostrate?
?Sujud? does not mean physical prostration
Ruk?u does not mean physical bowingPART TEN
?Consented decree? becomes ?mosque?
The Deen is prescribed
Masjid is the consented decree
The consented decree is prescribed
The message in the revelations
Consented decree pre-Qur?anic period
Sanctions during pre-Qur?anic period
Focus the sanctions of the decree
The sanctions revealed
2142-152 ? the wider contextPART ELEVEN
Wildlife conservation sabotaged
Wildlife conservation becomes pilgrim?s garb
The word ?ihram? not found in the Qur?an
Guidance becomes ?animal offerings?
More corruption
The sanctions on food
Animal caught by dogs are permitted
The religionists fulfil the Devil?s promise
Ka?bata (ankles) becomes God?s housePART TWELVE
Umra and Haj The invented pilgrimage
?Amr means ?Life?
God U?mra to humans
Humans give life (U?mra) to the earth
How the word U?mra in 919 was distorted
Haj is a challenge NOT a pilgrimage
Hajii Akhbar means the ?Big Challenge?
Hajaa Ibrohim
Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca
The Arabs were pagans
The ?Challenge? to Sunnis and Shiite
A message to Arab religionistsCONCLUSIONS
The message of the Reading
Serve God as individuals
Dialectical Acrobatics
The corruption
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Here is what i posted before
The Purpose of "Salat" is to Remember God, and that is the Sole purpose (Quran 2014) laugh
Cheorographied Salat can well be achieved by a Parrot, or a broken record laugh
God warns us about those who do their salat Heedlessly (1054-5), and gives good news to those who do their salat in a humble manner (232), and tells us to do stand/do our salat in a state of Reverance/Devoutness (223Now Now, there are only 3 names of Salats in the Quran, (i.e Fajr, Esha, Wusta). This means that there has to be only 3 Salats. This is because the Quran states that it is not missing anything (63, and so, if there is 3 NAMES of Salats mentioned, then logically, there has to be only 3 Salats.
The Daily Prayers were always doone 3 times a day (Salat = Aramaic 'sloota' (Prayer) and Hebrew Tfillah/Amidah (standing prayer)
Which is basically the 3 daily prayers evening, morning, and noon (see psalm 5517, Daniel 610)
New Testament's 3 times for prayer 3rth, 6th, and 9th hours,
The Quran's 3 names of Salat (Fajr, Esha, Wusta in 2458 and 223Three Salat (Prayers) Authorised in the Quran
http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/number_of_salat_(P1200).htmlSupport for a middle salat (i.e 3rd salat)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603015.0You see there is only 3 prayers BY NAME mentioned (i.e fajr, al-wusta, esha)...
The Quran is not missing anything (63, and again, if God Almighty cited 3 names of prayers, then there has to only be 3 prayers! I've stated in my earlier post that there is also mention of only 3 Daily prayers times in the previous scriptures.
Moreovere, even Jews and Samaritans today have 3 daily prayers
Watch even the "Jewish salat", and you can find the descriptions of the prayer from the talmud & the laws concerining prayer
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double post
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603111.0
also for @yazeed read that post
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16137.10
In this thread Arnold Yasin gives a great explanation of 'Salat. On the whole, the whole thread is a great read. Arnold was a great poster, hopefully one day he'll be back.
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It's a shame about Arnold's view on Rashad Khalifa, because everything he (Arnold) says, makes sense. I wonder why Arnold feels Rashad 'stumbled' upon 19, like the Almighty had nothing to do with it!!!!
Peace.
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It's a shame about Arnold's view on Rashad Khalifa, because everything he (Arnold) says, makes sense. I wonder why Arnold feels Rashad 'stumbled' upon 19, like the Almighty had nothing to do with it!!!!
Peace.
Hmm, you sure? Heres what he says in that very same thread.
Yes, but I do not believe Rashad to be a "messenger" as he did not bring anything new, nor do I believe does the Quran support a form of messenger without revelation, plus the Quran is complete. There were already large groups of Quran-alone groups in India and Pakistan and also in Egypt in the 1900's and they were already way ahead of him when it came to the Quranic Message. Even the Ahmediya scholar Muhammed Ali has a better understanding of the Quran then Rashad and he died in 1951. Rashad stumbled on the 19code, and later on developed a form of Messiah-syndrome caused probably by stress and the pressure of his community and his concept of he as a small man taking up the 1Billion Hadith-muslims.
So I seperate the discoverer from the discovery. I do not believe the 19 code explains the Quran, it is just a verification method for the future generations. You cannot just say, I believe in the Quran, every letter and word must be accounted for in a sort of verification way, and mathematics is exactly the best tool for this. So from a scientific point of view it is logical God used this as his tool.
Sadly people have mixed up rashad to much with his discovery and his claim on messengership did not help and there are still to much factors involved to really see how it works. this is also why I believe it is for future generations and not us.
I always use this example concerning 19. To make use of a cow, does a common man need to know the DNA of the cow? Does he need to know the DNA to eat it, milk it or use its skin? No. DNA only interests a scientist, so lets keep it that way.
People have again used 19 for their personal salvation or gain, and this is why people are so confused about it.
Check the bottom of page 2.
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This Single Word Salat , has not been defined decisively by those who have deep knowledge of Arabic Language.
On the contrary, it has been defined in the clearest terms for centuries by the Arabs themselves salh is prayer. The Arabic language defines it in no other way.
However, the contention that exists among people of this community lies in the fact that some of us beleive that the Quran uses the word salh in such a way as to give it a new meaning. I believe that to be true, but only to a very limited extent. I don't think that God's use of the word salh (and all its verbal derivatives) is so distinct from its original use by the Arabs that it would warrant a new definition.
So I would say that whatever salh is, it isn't so different to prayer.
Is it possible we are looking at the wrong Root of the word .
The root is saad laam waaw. Check out this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602945.msg295953#msg295953
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On the contrary, it has been defined in the clearest terms for centuries by the Arabs themselves salh is prayer. The Arabic language defines it in no other way.
However, the contention that exists among people of this community lies in the fact that some of us beleive that the Quran uses the word salh in such a way as to give it a new meaning. I believe that to be true, but only to a very limited extent. I don't think that God's use of the word salh (and all its verbal derivatives) is so distinct from its original use by the Arabs that it would warrant a new definition.
So I would say that whatever salh is, it isn't so different to prayer.
The root is saad laam waaw. Check out this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602945.msg295953#msg295953
Yes it does.
Yes it is. Much different