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Salat the unsolved mystery

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    yazeed
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    http//mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/

    PART ONE

    Misconception
    The Qur?an (or the reading)
    Serve God alone
    God is not an Arab
    Ownership claim
    Create division among people
    Stone worshipers
    Worship of mountain rocks
    The conspiracies

    PART TWO

    There is no ?religion? of God
    Deen does not mean religion
    Total Freedom
    Virtual idols
    Serve God through commitments
    God is not to be ?worshiped?
    Moses and Jesus did not worship God
    Religion is man made

    PART THREE

    The Arab religion
    Arab tales about the present ?Ka?aba?
    Religion is not from God
    Arab religious laws
    The Arab ritual prayer
    Annex

    PART FOUR

    Sol-laa is commitment not ritual prayer
    Sol-laa between people
    Sol-laa to yourself
    Sol-laa is about doing ?deeds?
    Abraham?s commitments
    Moses? commitments
    Jesus? commitments
    Muhammad?s commitments
    Ask for God?s help without rituals
    Glorify God through commitments
    Ritual prayer is not in the Qur?an
    Ritual prayer is a conspiracy

    PART FIVE

    The Sol-laa shuffle
    How the Arabs do the ?Sol-laa shuffle?
    Frequently asked questions
    Questions that the religionists cannot answer

    PART SIX

    Religious tithe collection is a scam
    Zakaa does not mean religious tithe
    Basic universal values
    Charity is prescribed
    Religious tithe invented by the religionists
    Zakaa is not about money
    The meaning of the word Zakaa

    PART SEVEN

    The prime target was Abraham
    The significance of Abraham?s status
    Fairy tales to strengthen the conspiracies

    PART EIGHT

    The worship of stone house
    Abraham did not know anything about Mecca
    Bayta is a system, not a house
    Bayta according to the reading
    Bayti-ya in the Reading
    ?Haram? is not ?Sacred?
    Take the challenge to find the system
    What is inside the Bayta?

    PART NINE

    The corruption continues
    Abraham?s status (maqami ibrohim)
    The word committed corrupted
    Cleanse the system
    ?Group of people? corrupted
    Thawwaf
    Cleaving becomes retreating
    ?Humbly consenting? becomes ?bow and prostrate?
    ?Sujud? does not mean physical prostration
    Ruk?u does not mean physical bowing

    PART TEN

    ?Consented decree? becomes ?mosque?
    The Deen is prescribed
    Masjid is the consented decree
    The consented decree is prescribed
    The message in the revelations
    Consented decree pre-Qur?anic period
    Sanctions during pre-Qur?anic period
    Focus the sanctions of the decree
    The sanctions revealed
    2142-152 ? the wider context

    PART ELEVEN

    Wildlife conservation sabotaged
    Wildlife conservation becomes pilgrim?s garb
    The word ?ihram? not found in the Qur?an
    Guidance becomes ?animal offerings?
    More corruption
    The sanctions on food
    Animal caught by dogs are permitted
    The religionists fulfil the Devil?s promise
    Ka?bata (ankles) becomes God?s house

    PART TWELVE

    Umra and Haj The invented pilgrimage
    ?Amr means ?Life?
    God U?mra to humans
    Humans give life (U?mra) to the earth
    How the word U?mra in 919 was distorted
    Haj is a challenge NOT a pilgrimage
    Hajii Akhbar means the ?Big Challenge?
    Hajaa Ibrohim
    Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca
    The Arabs were pagans
    The ?Challenge? to Sunnis and Shiite
    A message to Arab religionists

    CONCLUSIONS

    The message of the Reading
    Serve God as individuals
    Dialectical Acrobatics
    The corruption
    The readers of translations

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      youssef4342
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      Here is what i posted before

      The Purpose of "Salat" is to Remember God, and that is the Sole purpose (Quran 2014) laugh
      Cheorographied Salat can well be achieved by a Parrot, or a broken record laugh
      God warns us about those who do their salat Heedlessly (1054-5), and gives good news to those who do their salat in a humble manner (232), and tells us to do stand/do our salat in a state of Reverance/Devoutness (223

      Now Now, there are only 3 names of Salats in the Quran, (i.e Fajr, Esha, Wusta). This means that there has to be only 3 Salats. This is because the Quran states that it is not missing anything (63, and so, if there is 3 NAMES of Salats mentioned, then logically, there has to be only 3 Salats.

      The Daily Prayers were always doone 3 times a day (Salat = Aramaic 'sloota' (Prayer) and Hebrew Tfillah/Amidah (standing prayer)
      Which is basically the 3 daily prayers evening, morning, and noon (see psalm 5517, Daniel 610)
      New Testament's 3 times for prayer 3rth, 6th, and 9th hours,
      The Quran's 3 names of Salat (Fajr, Esha, Wusta in 2458 and 223

      Three Salat (Prayers) Authorised in the Quran
      http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/number_of_salat_(P1200).html

      Support for a middle salat (i.e 3rd salat)
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603015.0

      You see there is only 3 prayers BY NAME mentioned (i.e fajr, al-wusta, esha)...
      The Quran is not missing anything (63, and again, if God Almighty cited 3 names of prayers, then there has to only be 3 prayers! I've stated in my earlier post that there is also mention of only 3 Daily prayers times in the previous scriptures.
      Moreovere, even Jews and Samaritans today have 3 daily prayers
      Watch even the "Jewish salat", and you can find the descriptions of the prayer from the talmud & the laws concerining prayer
      http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg

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        Student_of_Allah
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        double post

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          GODsubmitter
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          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603111.0

          also for @yazeed read that post

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            Meteora
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            We all clearly know that salat means...chocolate.

            Let us just leave it at that.

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              uq
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              We all clearly know that salat means...chocolate.

              Let us just leave it at that.

              Its reward is sweeter than chocolate, indeed.

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                Pakistani_Assassin
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                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16137.10

                In this thread Arnold Yasin gives a great explanation of 'Salat. On the whole, the whole thread is a great read. Arnold was a great poster, hopefully one day he'll be back.

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                  dawngorgeous
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                  It's a shame about Arnold's view on Rashad Khalifa, because everything he (Arnold) says, makes sense. I wonder why Arnold feels Rashad 'stumbled' upon 19, like the Almighty had nothing to do with it!!!!

                  Peace.

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                    Pakistani_Assassin
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                    It's a shame about Arnold's view on Rashad Khalifa, because everything he (Arnold) says, makes sense. I wonder why Arnold feels Rashad 'stumbled' upon 19, like the Almighty had nothing to do with it!!!!

                    Peace.

                    Hmm, you sure? Heres what he says in that very same thread.

                    Yes, but I do not believe Rashad to be a "messenger" as he did not bring anything new, nor do I believe does the Quran support a form of messenger without revelation, plus the Quran is complete. There were already large groups of Quran-alone groups in India and Pakistan and also in Egypt in the 1900's and they were already way ahead of him when it came to the Quranic Message. Even the Ahmediya scholar Muhammed Ali has a better understanding of the Quran then Rashad and he died in 1951. Rashad stumbled on the 19code, and later on developed a form of Messiah-syndrome caused probably by stress and the pressure of his community and his concept of he as a small man taking up the 1Billion Hadith-muslims.

                    So I seperate the discoverer from the discovery. I do not believe the 19 code explains the Quran, it is just a verification method for the future generations. You cannot just say, I believe in the Quran, every letter and word must be accounted for in a sort of verification way, and mathematics is exactly the best tool for this. So from a scientific point of view it is logical God used this as his tool.

                    Sadly people have mixed up rashad to much with his discovery and his claim on messengership did not help and there are still to much factors involved to really see how it works. this is also why I believe it is for future generations and not us.

                    I always use this example concerning 19. To make use of a cow, does a common man need to know the DNA of the cow? Does he need to know the DNA to eat it, milk it or use its skin? No. DNA only interests a scientist, so lets keep it that way.

                    People have again used 19 for their personal salvation or gain, and this is why people are so confused about it.

                    Check the bottom of page 2.

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                      uq
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                      This Single Word Salat , has not been defined decisively by those who have deep knowledge of Arabic Language.

                      On the contrary, it has been defined in the clearest terms for centuries by the Arabs themselves salh is prayer. The Arabic language defines it in no other way.

                      However, the contention that exists among people of this community lies in the fact that some of us beleive that the Quran uses the word salh in such a way as to give it a new meaning. I believe that to be true, but only to a very limited extent. I don't think that God's use of the word salh (and all its verbal derivatives) is so distinct from its original use by the Arabs that it would warrant a new definition.

                      So I would say that whatever salh is, it isn't so different to prayer.

                      Is it possible we are looking at the wrong Root of the word .

                      The root is saad laam waaw. Check out this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602945.msg295953#msg295953

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                        On the contrary, it has been defined in the clearest terms for centuries by the Arabs themselves salh is prayer. The Arabic language defines it in no other way.

                        However, the contention that exists among people of this community lies in the fact that some of us beleive that the Quran uses the word salh in such a way as to give it a new meaning. I believe that to be true, but only to a very limited extent. I don't think that God's use of the word salh (and all its verbal derivatives) is so distinct from its original use by the Arabs that it would warrant a new definition.

                        So I would say that whatever salh is, it isn't so different to prayer.

                        The root is saad laam waaw. Check out this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602945.msg295953#msg295953

                        Yes it does.
                        Yes it is. Much different

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                          uq
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                          Yes it does.
                          Yes it is. Much different

                          ok thanks

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