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Salaam
How can you deny the Quran or the Toran just like that. i didnt deny the AQ..thats putting something in my mouth..what i said is that ALQURAN IS COMPLETE.. but Bible as we know it not accurate due to translations, manipulations etc..
All the profets after in Toran was living in Israel prove to me? !
Maryam Beeing sister to Aron/Mussa is an expression... expression? so Isa son of Maryam is also expression? brickwall
Like you call me brother dont mean that we are born by the same mother. I thinking its because we are brothers in faith I assume sure but if i born in 1000 after you or even 100 years after surly i wouldnt call you brother understand??... need to be same timeframe ..
Thats why I only quoted from the Quran, the Toran and what I seen with my own eyes. Thats these three references I have and I put my belive in. exacly the same has me but for me ALLAH AQ + arqueology,cience,geography,etc, sun
Salaam sun think wiselyD
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Beeing sister to Aron/Mussa is an expression. You cant change history or the word of God because you maybe dont understand that meening of one sentance in the Quran.
Like you call me brother dont mean that we are born by the same mother. I thinking its because we are brothers in faith I assume
Yes, it may not be that they were from the same mother. I admit this is possible. But to say that they lived 1000 years apart is complete absurdness. You don't address someone as "my brother" if he lived in another era.
Like when Moses asked Allah to bring HIS BROTHER Aron along with him to confront Pharaoh, you are telling me that they werent blood brothers? fine. I'll accept it. But where they contemporaries? Or did they live 1000 years apart?
Even according to the Old Testament, Moses, Maryam and Aron were contemporaries.
This is why some Jewish scholars claimed that Muhamad was insane because he mixed up Maryam, daughter of Amran, with Mary, mother of Jesus.
And do you know what the Muslims scholars said in defence of their "beloved" prophet? They said EXACTLY what you are saying now "Oh no! he didn't mean they were literally brother and sister in the blood! He meant she was his sister in faith!".
Instead of letting the Quran correct their misconception and pre-conditioned dogma, they did the opposite they twisted the meaning of the verse to make it fit with their misconceptions. The ywere afraid to stand for the truth.
Also, I agree 100% that there was a very important Jewish community in Jerusalem , Palestine. But this did not take place until the 4th century BC. All I'm saying is that it was not the original homeland of the Jews. Their original kingdom was in Yemen, somwehere in the Sarat (mountains) of Himyar. Wave after wave of Assyrian and Babylonian attacks had reduced it to rubble, and so they migrated northwards...just like many other tribes before and after them did.
There is zero archeological evidence of David and Solomon's kingdom in Palestine, and ZERO evidence of Assyrian campaigns against that land - which at the time was peripheral and of little strategic importance. In fact, if you read the entire corpus of the Assyrian cuniform tablets depicting the Exile, you will not find the word "Palestine" mentioned anywhere. You will find "Ur Salem", "Arabs" and "Camels", however.
It was the migrating Jews who found the city on a knoll in a coastal plain of Palestine and decided to name it "UrSalem" in remembrance of their ancient, mountainous Yemeni homeland. The Romans, however, named that town "Ilya Capitulana" NOT Jerusalem. Even the description of the geography of David's city in the OT does NOT even closely resemble anything in Palestine.
The story of Solomon and Sheba in the Quran is nothing but a rendered version of an ancient Yemeni legend, and the verses contain many clear evidences that their two domains were right next to each other, and shared borders.
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Salam Nomad
| How can you deny the Quran or the Toran just like that. i didnt deny the AQ..thats putting something in my mouth..what i said is that ALQURAN IS COMPLETE.. but Bible as we know it not accurate due to translations, manipulations etc..
Sorry for putting the words incorrect. What I ment was that the scriptures from AQ shows that the profets before was accepted by God. They are not just some other names in the AQ. Thats why I thinking that you are not concerned of what I reffered to in AQ or OT, and that let me to that you go against it. Sorry for putting it wrong peace
All the profets after in Toran was living in Israel prove to me?
That what why I mentioned the scriptures from AQ to prove that God is confirming these Profets. Ang God also confirming the scripture (OT) in general in 3.81. Thats the proff. Because in the Scripture are mentioned where they are living and that is in Israel.
Maryam Beeing sister to Aron/Mussa is an expression... expression? so Isa son of Maryam is also expression?
Because one thing is an expression dosn?t mean that all other things are. Things an?t that simple to conclute
Peace brother
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Salaam sun
I dont know your age or if its a language problem..but you seem to keep beliving in sta clausss...
SO you think God in the Quran say that maryam sister of Musa just for fun? You think AQ is stand up comedy? elektro
I cannot do more for you... I
told you 5 times that i take only ALQURAN ,,,,,and NO BIBBLE because bible today is not complete, not the word of God... UNDERSTAND or i need to make a 6th post to enlight you?.. pr angel sunWAKE UP MY FRIEND sun
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Sallam
Sorry if i sound rude last post, obvius thats not my objective..belive me sun handshake
i Know i didnt used the best words, and im sorry for that..i admit, angel
But in relation to rest i keep my opinionD and you can keep yoursD
In the end... only AllAh pr
May God incrase our knowledge and enlightment, and sorry for last post...i feel ive become >D but really not that intention...PEACE
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Salam NielsJacob
First I don't believe that any land on earth (whether it's Israel, Arab Peninsula, Ethiopia, Australia, China whatever) is HOLY. There are no such thing as "Holy Land".
Second I share your 'disbelief' on the content of that article.However we respect 'freedom of opinion' here, if there's an article on the site, it doesn't mean that everyone here also share the same opinion as the article writer.
If you like; you can also submit your own article which state your own opinion...
Salam / Peace
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Salaam Pazuzu
I seen you stated a lot about this issue.
Has anyone on this planet ever proven the existence of a language called Hebrew a language which they claim had become dormant for 2000 years before it was revived in the Promised Land?
What about the dead sea scrolls. They are from 2-1 bc.
Offcouse the language isn?t exatly the same but it existed that time.
And maybe it had another name.
But to assume that its a brand new language seems wrong. A new name maybe yes.I want to know Do you also not think that Jesus in AQ isn?t Jesus in NT?
As I read AQ he must be the same (3.45) when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near .
And Jesus lived 2000 years ago, and his mother Mary wasn?t around the time of Moses.
Even according to the Old Testament, Moses, Maryam and Aron were contemporaries.
Maryam/Mary as I know is only in NT. So I assume you thinking of another Mary/Maryam.
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Salaam Nomad
No hard feelings. handshake But I think I told you before that english ain?t my best (I?m Danish). So please dont mind my spelling and so. I?may seem a bit retared but I maybe I ain?t that much ;D
told you 5 times that i take only ALQURAN ,,,,,and NO BIBBLE because bible today is not complete, not the word of God... UNDERSTAND or i need to make a 6th post to enlight you
?Thats allright I got that..
What I was saying was that AQ confirming OT. I know it might been corupted. But anyway its not all just fake.
My point is that if we take the saing in AQ as our standard, it also mean that we have to accept that God accept the jewish as his chosen people and he sendt plenty profets to them (because they are his choosen)
Anyway its like you are dening all these scriptures from the jewish.I also belive in sience and Gods word (like you I assume).
But as you to come to the conclution and reject it all. That I think is wrong.
its like you want to throw everything away wish dosn?t fit to your belive in first place.
When you do like that you have to make a lot of new explanations (ex of the profets). And maybe you make some wrong conclutions.
As I see it . Maryan (in AQ) dosn?t fit acording do the story of Jesus. So you have to Reject Jesus. But that can be a wrong conclution. In AQ Jesus is the same as in NT (Se post to Pazuzu)Once again sorry for my school-boy english.. (dont judge me of that) &
Peace
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Salaam Jafar
Nice to hear.
Thanks a lot for concerning..I been looking long time for someone who share my belief. So I was glad to find this place/site.
But this article shocked me quite because I thought it was the general opinion.
Thanks againPeace
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Maryam/Mary as I know is only in NT. So I assume you thinking of another Mary/Maryam.
Here's a few passages from the OT
Miriam leading the victory dance after the drowning of Pharaoh
For the horses of Pharaoh went with his chariots and his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought back the waters of the sea upon them. But the children of Israel went on dry in the midst of the sea. Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took the timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. (Exodus - 1520)
Miriam is stricken with leprosy because she had angered the Lord
Then the LORD came down in the pillar of cloud and stood the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam. And they both went forward.......And when the cloud departed from above the tabernacle, suddenly Miriam leprous, as snow. Then Aaron turned toward Miriam, and there she was, a leper. (Numbers - 12 4-12)
The children of Amram
The children of Amram Aaron, Moses, and Miriam. And the sons of Aaron Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar. (1 Chronicles - 63)
So which Miriam is being mentioned here? Is this the mother of Jesus who died in Jerusalem 2000 years ago?
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Salaam Pazuzu
Thanks for reply
So which Miriam is being mentioned here? Is this the mother of Jesus who died in Jerusalem 2000 years ago?
I get your point.
Yoy are right there are two Miriam in the Bible.Let look on what we have
There are two Miriam in the Bible one in OT and and in NTThe same two also is mentionet in AQ. (Thats what I see)
If we take 19.29 they call the 2. Mary for sister of Aron. I agree this doesn?t fit because she is not the sister of Aron (biological)
And it could let us to the conclution that there is only the same Miriam.I thought about it a lot and I came to this conclution
Lets look at the passage in the context
Mary has given birth as an unmarrid women an she is in sorrow and confused. She afraid that her people will see her as a hore (19.20)
She know that God is accepting her, but what about her family/people.
She?s afraid to meet them. God is hearing her prayers so what happens is this
When she go to meet them, they call her sister of Aron. But why?
Its to lift her up and show her that they accept her.
When you want to adress somebody in a nice way, you dont call her sister af her own sister but you go like a level up.Let me give you an example that came to my mind
My name is Jacob.
Imagine I am acused for doing something wrong. Let say my freind heard that I was sleeping with his wife. (God forbid)
My friend dont belive in this gossip, and he want to show to me.
I have to go and meet him, what could he say to tell that he still my friend
God could make him say (because he know I?m a beliver) Jacob son of Isac. I know you not a bad man. Your mother is a good women too.
Actally I cant imagen anything that could bring us closer together than that statement.
Should he have called me brother of Lars (my brother). No that woudn?t have the same effect.
Its a nice way of adressing people when you play a little with the persons name.The statement (Sister of Aron) is not God?s own, but its peoples. This statement is like comming from God, becauce its showing the people accepting Miriam.
Also we should see it as a people statement and not Gods own.Peace
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Slaam
Well i think brother Pazuzu and I explain to you the best way possible. what we prentendo to say, unleast me is that NT is absolutly a fabrication.. Jesus from Palestine sun of Joseph the carpenter is not in AQ, theres not 2 marys in AQ, theres only one Maryam, sister of Musa and Aron, and these same Maryam is mother os ISA the messiah .
these Prophetic facts were adapted by St.Paul to Jesus the rebel of Palestine, wichj has nothing to do with God messangers...
HE was like the che guevara from those days, who rebelled to help the poor so its the mixture of Real Isa Arab History with Jesus the carpenter ffrom Palestine, its 2 Histories in one what they make in NT and is the major Falacy ands corruption wich we can read..its a fabrication from Sionist Dreamers and templars
For me AQ is very clear in these aspect, So AQ WORD Of GOD... Bible compilation of several man?s Histories, toughts, etcDont worry abou not having best english, i dont have perfect english also
Well i must confessed i used to have you prespectives that was a Holy Land in Palestine... but after reading History, Geo, etc ..well its hard to belive in it now... thats the perfect sionist dream and the focus and reason for stupid wars and untolerance..) sunSalaam my friend, handshake pr
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Greetings of peace and blessings,
Just a view - As for now - I find it quite logical Jerusalem article http//www.free-minds.org/where-was-mohammed - Jerusalem - "holy"/original in being the place where Abraham pioneered in this line of prophets and scriptures/revelations and the place where a few prophets came to call for the "hajj" = announcement/delivery of the scripture/revelation to the people, etc.
As for the "kingdom of israel" (Solomon's kingdom - not Jerusalem as he sends winds all the way to Jerusalem/holy_land, etc) article http//free-minds.org/kingdom-israel - I find the article very informative in many parts - like the theory about the progeny Abraham left = Lot's family - to do do his "salat"/bond/duty - that is to deliver the message of God Alone to his people/town. However, as for now, I wouldn't agree so much about the "sout saudi" location of it - Maybe it would rather be the city "Nablus" like someone said about the "Samaritan" view.
Anyway, although how interesting this topic might be (many also find it very logical about the Jerusalem theory throughout the quran) we must remember that these history finding are not the true duty/bond/salat to us - One God and do good - as per various moral commands throughout the Quran - like be good to parents - speak truthfully - choose good responses - be fair and true, etc....
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Sallam Nomad
is not in AQ, theres not 2 marys in AQ, theres only one Maryam, sister of Musa and Aron, and these same Maryam is mother os ISA the messiah
The one that is described many times is the mother of Jesus (Jesus/Messias from NT)
Because (5.27).
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord.or (5.7
Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Maryor (57.27)
Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticismSo we see its Jesus know from NT. How can you say something else..
The other Miriam is the sister of Aron/Moses. As I read it she is only quted once or twice in the AQ. First place In that expression where they call Miriam (mother of Jesus) for sister of Aron. Please see my answer for Pazuzu concerning this question.
And maybe second place As the daughter of Amram/Imram (6.12)And Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient
I can see that this fit with your point of view. But that mean that you should reject all the others passage and then only read this one and not the others.
How I see it is we dont know the name of Miriam?s (mother of Jesus) father. It migt well be the same as the other Miriams father. Anyway the possibility is there. And when we cant see for certain that is the first Miriam we cant conclute anything.So as I see it you cant deny that Jesus in AQ is Jesus Messias send to the Isralits confirming Toran and bringing the Gospel (later corupted yes)
Peace brother
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Salaam how are you my friend? nice post thanks for anwering pr group sun
Hope you in best form under Allah`s enlightment )is not 527,
but 517 Transliteration
Laqad kafara allatheena qalooinna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama qul famanyamliku mina Allahi shay-an in arada an yuhlikaalmaseeha ibna sun maryama sunwaommahu waman fee al-ardijameeAAan walillahi mulku assamawatiwal-ardi wama baynahuma yakhluqu mayashao wallahu AAala kulli shay-inqadeer517Translation
They indeed have already disbelieved who say, "Surely Allah, He is the Masih, son of Maryam." Say, "Who then avail (Literally possess) anything against Allah in case He wills to cause the Masih son of Maryam to perish, and his mother, and whoever is in the earth altogether? And to Allah belongs the Kingdom of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates whatever He decides. And Allah is Ever-Determiner over everything.578Transliteration
LuAAina allatheena kafaroo min baneeisra-eela AAala lisani dawoodawaAAeesa ibni sun maryama sun thalika bima AAasawwakanoo yaAAtadoon578 Translation
Cursed were the ones who disbelieved of the Seeds by the tongue of Dawud and Isa the son of Maryam; that is for that they disobeyed and they were transgressing.5727 transliteration
Thumma qaffayna AAala atharihimbirusulina waqaffayna biAAeesa ibni maryamawaataynahu al-injeela wajaAAalna fee quloobiallatheena ittabaAAoohu ra/fatan warahmatan warahbaniyyatanibtadaAAooha ma katabnaha AAalayhimilla ibtighaa ridwani Allahifama raAAawha haqqa riAAayatihafaatayna allatheena amanoo minhumajrahum wakatheerun minhum fasiqoon
5727 Translation
Thereafter We made to supervene on their tracks Our Messengers; and We made to supervene sunIsa son of Maryam sun, and We brought him the Injil; and We made in the hearts of the ones who closely followed him compassion and mercy. And monasticism they innovated for themselves; in no way did We prescribe it for them, except for seeking the all-blessed Satisfaction of Allah; yet in no way did they pay heed to it as it should be truly heeded. So We brought the ones of them who believed their reward; and many of them are immoral.IM NOT ARABYK NATIVE BUT
287 Transliteration
Walaqad atayna moosaalkitaba waqaffayna min baAAdihi birrusuliwaatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinatiwaayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi afakullama jaakumrasoolun bima la tahwa anfusukumuistakbartum fafareeqan kaththabtum wafareeqan taqtuloon
287 Translation
And indeed We already brought Musa the Book, and We made to supervene the Messengers even after him; and We brought Isa son of Maryam the supreme evidences and aided him with the Spirit of Holiness; yet, is it not (the case that) whenever there came to you a Messenger with what yourselves did not yearn to, you waxed proud, so you cried lies to a group of them and (another) group you kill?2253 Transliteration
Tilka arrusulu faddalnabaAAdahum AAala baAAdin minhum man kallamaAllahu warafaAAa baAAdahum darajatin waataynaAAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahubiroohi alqudusi walaw shaa Allahu maiqtatala allatheena min baAAdihim min baAAdi ma jaat-humualbayyinatu walakini ikhtalafoo faminhum man amanawaminhum man kafara walaw shaa Allahu maiqtataloo walakinna Allaha yafAAalu mayureed
2253 Translation
Those are the Messengers; We have graced some of them over some others; of them (there are some) to whom Allah spoke, and some He raised in degrees. And We brought Isa son of Maryam the supreme evidences and aided him with the Spirit of Holiness. And if Allah had decided, the ones who after them would not have fought against each other, after the supreme evidences had come to them. But they differed among themselves. So of them are the ones who believed, and of them are the ones who disbelieved. And if Allah had decided, they would not have fought against each other; but Allah performs whatever He wills.Surat AAl IMRAN ( family of Imran)
333Transliteration
Inna Allaha istafa adamawanoohan waala ibraheema waala AAimranaAAala alAAalameen
333Translation
Surely Allah has elected Adam and Nuh and the house of Ibrahim and the house of Imran over the worlds.334Transliteration
Thurriyyatan baAAduhamin baAAdin wallahu sameeAAun AAaleem
334Translation
An offspring of one another, (Literally some of them from some "others) and Allah is Ever-Hearing, Ever-Knowing.335Transliteration
Ith qalati imraatu AAimranarabbi innee nathartu laka ma fee batnee muharraranfataqabbal minnee innaka anta assameeAAu alAAaleem
335Transliation
As the wife of Imran said, "Lord! Surely I have vowed to you what is in my belly in dedication; so accept (it) from me. Surely You, (Ever) You, are The Ever-Hearing, The Ever-Knowing."336Transliteration
Falamma wadaAAat-ha qalatrabbi innee wadaAAtuha ontha wallahuaAAlamu bima wadaAAat walaysa aththakarukalontha wa-innee sammaytuha maryamawa-innee oAAeethuha bika wathurriyyatahamina ashshaytani arrajeem
336Translation
So, as soon as she brought her forth, she said, "Lord! Surely I have brought her forth, a female." And Allah knows best what she brought forth, and the male is not as the female. "And surely I have named her Maryam. And surely I take refuge with You for her and her offspring from the outcast Ash- shaytan." (The all vicious, i.e., the Devil)337Transliteration
Fataqabbalaha rabbuhabiqaboolin hasanin waanbataha nabatan hasananwakaffalaha zakariyya kullama dakhalaAAalayha zakariyya almihraba wajadaAAindaha rizqan qala ya maryamu annalaki hatha qalat huwa min AAindi Allahi innaAllaha yarzuqu man yashao bighayri hisab
337Translation
Then, her Lord graciously accepted her with fair acceptance, and caused her to grow a fair growth, and He made Zakariyya her sponsor. Whenever Zakariyya entered the Chamber to her, he found (a) provision in her presence. He said, "O Maryam, however does this (come) to you?" She said, "It is from the Providence of Allah; surely Allah provides whomever He decides without reckoning."338Transliteration
Hunalika daAAa zakariyyarabbahu qala rabbi hab lee min ladunka thurriyyatantayyibatan innaka sameeAAu adduAAa/-
338Translation
Thereover Zakariyya invoked his Lord (and) said, "Lord! Bestow upon me from very close to You a goodly offspring. Surely You are The Ever-Hearer of invocation."339Transliteration
Fanadat-hu almala-ikatu wahuwaqa-imun yusallee fee almihrabi annaAllaha yubashshiruka biyahya musaddiqanbikalimatin mina Allahi wasayyidan wahasooranwanabiyyan mina assaliheen
339Translation
So, the Angels called out to him (as) he was upright praying in the Chamber, " Allah gives you the good tidings of Yahya, sincerely with a Word from Allah, and a master, and chaste, and a Prophet, one of the righteous."(keep going)
342Transliteration
Wa-ith qalati almala-ikatuya maryamu inna Allaha istafaki watahharakiwastafaki AAala nisa-i alAAalameen
342Translation
And as the Angels said, "O Maryam, surely Allah has elected you and purified you and has elected you over the women of the worlds.343Transliteration
Ya maryamu oqnutee lirabbiki wasjudeewarkaAAee maAAa arrakiAAeen
343Translation
O Maryam, be devout to your Lord, and prostrate yourself and bow down with the ones who bow down."344Transliteration
Thalika min anba-i alghaybinooheehi ilayka wama kunta ladayhim ithyulqoona aqlamahum ayyuhum yakfulu maryama wamakunta ladayhim ith yakhtasimoon
344Translation
That is of the tidings of the Unseen. We reveal it to you; and in no way were you close to them as they were casting quills (Literally pens) (to determine) which of them should sponsor Maryam, and in no way were you close to them as they took adverse stands (about that).345 Transliteration
Ith qalati almala-ikatuya maryamu inna Allaha yubashshiruki bikalimatinminhu ismuhu almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama wajeehanfee addunya wal-akhirati waminaalmuqarrabeen
345 Translation
As the Angels said, "O Maryam, surely Allah gives you good tidings of a Word from Him whose name is the Masih Isa son of Maryam, esteemed in the present and the Hereafter, and one of the near stationed (i.e., stationed near to' Allah).365 Transliteration
Ya ahla alkitabi lima tuhajjoonafee ibraheema wama onzilati attawratuwal-injeelu illa min baAAdihi afalataAAqiloon
365 Translation
O population of the Book, why do you argue about Ibrahim? And in no way were the Tawrah and the Injil sent down except even after him. Do you not then consider?369Transliteration
Waddat ta-ifatun min ahli alkitabilaw yudilloonakum wama yudilloona illaanfusahum wama yashAAuroon
369Translation
A section of the population of the Book would like to lead you into error; and in no way do they lead anyone into error except themselves, and in no way are they aware of it.370Transliteration
Ya ahla alkitabi limatakfuroona bi-ayati Allahi waantumtashhadoon
370Translation
O population of the Book, why do you disbelieve in the signs of Allah, and you witness (them)?371Transliteration
Ya ahla alkitabi limatalbisoona alhaqqa bilbatili wataktumoonaalhaqqa waantum taAAlamoon
371Translation
O population of the Book, why do you confound the Truth with the untruth and keep back the Truth, and you know (that)?(....) keep going
378 Transliteration
Wa-inna minhum lafareeqan yalwoonaalsinatahum bilkitabi litahsaboohu minaalkitabi wama huwa mina alkitabiwayaqooloona huwa min AAindi Allahi wama huwa minAAindi Allahi wayaqooloona AAala Allahi alkathibawahum yaAAlamoon
378 Translation
And surely (there is) indeed a group of them who twist their tongues with the Book that you may reckon it a (part) of the Book, and in no way is it a (part) of the Book, And they say, "It is from the Providence of Allah, " and in no way is it from the Providence of Allah; and they say lies against Allah, and they know (that).384 Transliteration
Qul amanna billahiwama onzila AAalayna wama onzila AAalaibraheema wa-ismaAAeela wa-ishaqawayaAAqooba wal-asbati wama ootiya moosawaAAeesa wannabiyyoona min rabbihim lanufarriqu bayna ahadin minhum wanahnu lahumuslimoon
384 Translation
Say, "We have believed in Allah, and in whatever has been sent down on us, and whatever was sent down on Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaaqub, and the Grandsons, and in whatever was brought to Musa and Isa and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we are Muslims".3100Transliteration
Kuntum khayra ommatin okhrijat linnasita/muroona bilmaAAroofi watanhawna AAani almunkariwatu/minoona billahi walaw amana ahlu alkitabilakana khayran lahum minhumu almu/minoona waaktharuhumualfasiqoon
3100Translation
You have been the most charitable nation brought out to mankind you command beneficence, and forbid maleficence, and believe in Allah. And if the population of the Book believed, it would indeed have been charitable for them;(some) of them are the believers, and the majority of them are the immoral.Surat 19( MarIam)
1916Transliteration
Wathkur fee alkitabimaryama ithi intabathat min ahliha makanansharqiyya
1916Translation
And mention in the Book Maryam as she retired from her family to an eastern place.(...) keep going
1927 Transliteration
Faatat bihi qawmaha tahmiluhuqaloo ya maryamu laqad ji/ti shay-an fariyya
1927 Translation
Then she came up with him to her people carrying him. They said, "O Maryam, indeed you have readily come with a fabricated thing.1928Transliteration
Ya okhta haroona ma kanaabooki imraa saw-in wama kanat ommuki baghiyya
1928Translation
O sister of Harun, in no way was your father a woeful person, and in no way was your mother a prostitute."(...)keep going
1934Transliteration
Thalika sun AAeesa ibnu maryamaqawla sun alhaqqi allathee feehi yamtaroon
1934Translation
That is Isa son of Maryam, in word of truth, concerning which they are wrangling.CONCLUSION
1 MARYAM----- not mary of palestine, not even the same name in portuguese language, are 2 different names MARIANA is not equal to MARIA,
2 MAryam is Isa, Messiha Mother, The word of God .
3 IN all passages (ayat/signs) nor Psalmes or Dawud or Salmon are mentioned,(only Towrat (Musa)and Engil (Isa)
4 Musa Aron Zakarya And Myryam (ISA/ MESSIAH MOTHER) are same timeframe..
6 JEsus, Mary and carpentar joseph sun from Palestine was just some sort of Ghandi, whatever fftopic
7 ISA is NOT Jesus Transliterated; and MARYAM is not Mary
jedi angel
Salaam and hope it can enlight us and guide Us all trught the truth and wisdom withouth manupulations and misconceptions.. old folks and blind belifs net to jedi, I DONT WANT TO TEACH MY CHILDREN IN MEDIEVAL AKENAZI/TEMPLAR/MEKASHIPERS FOLKS
sunITS TIME FOR AWAKENING sun THE TIME IS NOW sun
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Salaam Sisters & Brothers sun
@ to Nilsjacob( portuguese N?lson jac?be) wich one your mum has gave to you? Nils or Nelson?
Where did the Taurat and Injeel disappeared to ?
The disappearance of the Taurat and the Injeel are not
that big of a mystery at all. The information is
available on the web. Here is a synopsis.
Gospels
There were different sects of Christians in Arabia at
the time of the prophet. There were the trinitarians
at Najran, the Ebionites (monotheists who believed
Jesus was a prophet), of which Waraqa was a member,
the Colyridians who worshipped Mary as a goddess,
Arians (followers of the Biship Arius) who were
monophysites and possibly others. When Constantine,
the Roman Emporer, ordered the New Testament to be
compiled, his bishops (Augustine being one of them)
chose the so called Gospels that are now extant in the
Bible. It is agreed that Constantine destroyed the
rejected Gospels which numbered about 400. However,
some gospels actually survived. These were found in
Egypt and are called the Nag Hamadi scriptures.
The Gospels in Bible are admitted by all scholars to
be anonymous manuscripts that have been heavily
interpolated. However, it is agreed that there is a
common source for the "sayings" of Jesus but not a
common source for his actions. This common source is
generally recognized as the Q or the Quelle. This
source has long since disappeared.
As for the injunction to the monotheistic Christians
in Arabia to follow the Gospel, you must remember that
there are 2 recognized sources of transmission of
revelation. The first is the oral transmission and the
second is the written transmission. The appeal to the
monotheistic Chrisitans (the Ebionites like Waraqa) to
follow their gospel (only one gospel)is an appeal for
them to check their gospel, both the oral and the
written transmissions. What was available to the
Ebionites is preserved in the Quran as the story of
the birth of Isa (as), the story of Mariam's mother,
of Zachariya and Yahya, the story of Al Maida etc. The
4 gospels of the trinitarians at Najran are not
referred to in the Quran except to condemn such false
notions as God having a son, the crucifixion that
didn't happen and the Colyridian worship of Mariam as a
goddess.
As for the Taurat, the Jewish tribes in Arabia had
different traditions from that mentioned in the Bible.
The Jewish Masoretic texts differ from the Old
Testament now anyway. However, we know the Jewish
tribes in Arabia had different scriptures and
different oral traditions. This was probably due to
the fact that these tribes fled Palestine at different
periods of history. For instance, some fled before the
invasions of the Egyptians, others fled before the
invasion of the Assyrians, still others fled the
invasion of the Babhylonians, and others fled during
the invasions of the Greeks and the Romans. As these
tribes fled into Arabia over a period of at least 2000
years, they brought with them traditions from their
particular period of history. These traditons differ
greatly in many aspects from what was finally
collected as Masoretic texts. Some of these traditions
of the Arab Jewish tribes survive in the Quran as the
story of Musa and Kuthr, the story of Haman and
Pharaoh, the story of the disobedience of the Sabbath
where the Jews were transformed from decent human
beings into people who behave like apes, the story of
Al Dhu AlQarnain as well as others.
So what happened to the original Taurat and Injil.
Part of these traditions are preserved for us by Allah
in the Quran. The rest has disappeared as they
were no longer needed.
Hope this HelpsCanoot be 100% acurrate but can you SEE theres no Jerusalem or Palestine? hmm
Please if you have any extra Surat or Ayat with that issue , must not be in my AQ.. &
Well giveup angel peace sun -
Peace NOMAD,
Almost all of this information is inaccurate. Constantine had nothing to do with the compiling of the canon, it was already established in response to the Marcionite heresy. The gospels we have are 99% the same as the gospels first authored. There are several quotes and allusions to the current canon in the Quran.
-Joel
Salaam Sisters & Brothers sun
@ to Nilsjacob( portuguese N?lson jac?be) wich one your mum has gave to you? Nils or Nelson?
Where did the Taurat and Injeel disappeared to ?
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So.. This is Cristian actual view of the facts, but dont forget
were they may interpret "For instance, some fled before the
invasions of the Egyptians, others fled before the
invasion of the Assyrians, still others fled the
invasion of the Babhylonians, and others fled during
the invasions of the Greeks and the Romans. As these
tribes fled into Arabia over a period of at least 2000
years, they brought with them traditions from their
particular period of historySHCOOLARS think that they just moved from Palestine to Arabia and then Palestine again? no..obvously not, no arqueological profs indeed.. they just trying to fit false translation of Bible where MISRM is translated as Egypt.. wich is also a long time fabrication and NO KING OF EGYPT was Called FIRWON..
Firwon is not a title to kings of Egypt, but a PROPER name like MARYAM, ISA, Nils(you) and Duarte(me).PROPER NAMES OF PEOPLE AND PLACES MUST BE RESPECTED! Or we will be wondering in the Deserts of Mistranslations & false concept.. sun
Thanks for reading all
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Peace
So.. This is Cristian actual view of the facts, but dont forget
were they may interpret "For instance, some fled before the
invasions of the Egyptians, others fled before the
invasion of the Assyrians, still others fled the
invasion of the Babhylonians, and others fled during
the invasions of the Greeks and the Romans. As these
tribes fled into Arabia over a period of at least 2000
years, they brought with them traditions from their
particular period of historySHCOOLARS think that they just moved from Palestine to Arabia and then Palestine again? no..obvously not, no arqueological profs indeed.. they just trying to fit false translation of Bible where MISRM is translated as Egypt.. wich is also a long time fabrication and NO KING OF EGYPT was Called FIRWON..
Firwon is not a title to kings of Egypt, but a PROPER name like MARYAM, ISA, Nils(you) and Duarte(me).PROPER NAMES OF PEOPLE AND PLACES MUST BE RESPECTED! Or we will be wondering in the Deserts of Mistranslations & false concept.. sun
Thanks for reading all
group prReminds me of a lecture that I saw with Ahmed Deedat. He was stating that the Christians have no right translating the names of the Prophets into a latinized version. He talked about how the Christians changed Jesus' name from Esau to Jesus. Now I know some of you here might disagree with that (NOMAD, Pazuzu, etc.) but I am just illustrating the point. Similarly, I think the same should be said of the Qur'an just like NOMAD mentioned. If the Qur'an was indeed revealed in Arabic, we cannot translate these words. It must stay in the pure form that it was revealed. If we translate it, then it becomes subject to man's creation and is no longer God's unadulterated word. God knows best.
Peace