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    Student_of_Allah
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    Shalom Aleikhom,

    Depends on the definition of "world". If he meant universe, then there has to be multiverses. However, "world" is not always used to describe the entire universe. Have to do a Qur'an search and verse gathering to analyse and come to conclusion.

    Peace
    ------------- Student of Allah

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      Someone
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      Peace all,

      Please reflect on this verse

      2943
      Such are the examples We put forth for the people, but none comprehend except the knowledgeables.

      is the same word as in 12, why then the use of different translations?

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        Kaiokenred
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        We're the imagination of Allah. All imagination is absolutely real so you can't even all the worlds there are. Oh and universe doesn't mean world. There can be multi-verses in one world

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          missabou
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          Asalamu Alaikum, Everyone

          These are all great comments and ideas! bravo Some of which I haven't thought of. I like thinking of Allah as being so big that He has other worlds maybe like this one, maybe more advanced than ours and maybe some less advanced, all created for His enjoyment. I like to think there are other worlds right here, but in a different dimension. I'm reading through the Quran right now and I haven't come across anything that would make me believe these ideas are true and nothing that tells me it's not. Maybe that's to come? It's pretty hard to believe that a being that is the most powerful, magnificent, no beginning and no end, creator or ALL, would have created us and our world we live in ONLY. Thinking of Allah in this way, makes me more at awe and gives me so much comfort to know he's my creator, protector, provider. My life giver and my life sustainer. It kind-of just blows my mind away when I really think about Him! hail

          May Allah help us all to gain more knowledge and to love Him and respect Him more as we go along with this journey. pr

          Missabou

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            _Ala_
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            Peace all,

            Please reflect on this verse

            2943
            Such are the examples We put forth for the people, but none comprehend except the knowledgeables.

            is the same word as in 12, why then the use of different translations?

            Salam,
            I see your point, I have thought about that too.
            The only thing still makes me think they are not the same is the vocalization.
            is actually different from even if they derive from the same root . Words deriving from the same root can have some connection but in general mean different things. So I dont have a reason to believe they mean exactly the same thing.
            May God guide us.

            Peace

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              mirjamnur
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              salamu aleikum

              an article that i found about the same topic

              http//quransmessage.com/articles/alameen%20FM3.htm

              salam

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                _Ala_
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                Quote from Someone on February 07, 2012, 023358 PM

                Peace all,

                Please reflect on this verse

                2943
                Such are the examples We put forth for the people, but none comprehend except the knowledgeables.

                is the same word as in 12, why then the use of different translations?

                Salam,
                I see your point, I have thought about that too.
                The only thing still makes me think they are not the same is the vocalization.
                is actually different from even if they derive from the same root . Words deriving from the same root can have some connection but in general mean different things. So I dont have a reason to believe they mean exactly the same thing.
                May God guide us.

                Peace

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                  Bender
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                  Peace all,

                  Please reflect on this verse

                  2943
                  Such are the examples We put forth for the people, but none comprehend except the knowledgeables.

                  is the same word as in 12, why then the use of different translations?

                  Salaam Someone,

                  I agree, I just recently came to know this too handshake

                  First I thought Worlds then Creatures then "The ones who have knowledge".
                  It's root is I believe "3ain, Lam, Miem" which means something like knowledge.
                  I believe this makes the most sense, see for example the verses with prophet Lut and his people.
                  There are more verses where creatures and worlds doesn't fit.

                  Maybe there is even a better definition but at this moment I believe "knowledgeables" is the most accurate.

                  Salaam,
                  Bender

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                    _Ala_
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                    Salam Bender and Someone,

                    I also see your point but I think we have to consider that Alalameen and Alalemoon are actually different. Even if they derive from the same root there is some difference that we con not ignore. Alalemoon are the those who know, those who posses knowledge, but alalameen does not mean that. There is a reason why God didint make the Quran made of only roots.

                    Peace

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                      Bender
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                      Salam Bender and Someone,

                      I also see your point but I think we have to consider that Alalameen and Alalemoon are actually different. Even if they derive from the same root there is some difference that we con not ignore. Alalemoon are the those who know, those who posses knowledge, but alalameen does not mean that. There is a reason why God didint make the Quran made of only roots.

                      Peace

                      Salaam Ala,

                      Obviously Al-Alameen and Al-Alamoon are in detail different, as they are different in spelling.
                      But I believe that all derivatives of a root in The Quran, must have some connection with the root from which the word is build.

                      Thus saying Al-Alameen is "worlds" or "dimensions" or "universes" makes no sense to me at all. I don't see any connection with the root it has. And in some verses it?s just not logical to understand them like one of the words mentioned.
                      Creatures is I believe a little bit better (as a lot of creatures were given some sort of knowledge). But still there are verses where creatures don't fit.

                      Maybe a better definition is "creators who were given some sort of knowledge".

                      But what is the difference between Al-Alameen and Al-Alamoon? I don't know, I haven't put much study in it, but in the example brother(?) Someone gave, we already can learn a little bit.
                      2943 Such are the examples We put forth for the people, but none comprehend except Al-Alamoon
                      Maybe Al-Alamoon are ONLY the ones with knowledge among AnNaas (the people). This is just guessing as I haven't studied this yet.

                      Also please check these verses same thing
                      2153
                      2880
                      Do you think al-ssabireen and al-ssabiroon have something in common or are they 2 totally different words?
                      I believe that only in detail there is a little bit of difference.

                      Salaam,
                      Bender

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                        Mazhar
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                        The first is genitive. When it is the object of verb it will be considered as accusative.
                        The second is nominative.

                        Sound plural participles are sort of diptotes.

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