I am having problems again with believing in hell!
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I saw some youtube clip once about NDEs (Near Death Experience) and this person described the feeling of what he saw as hell as something that he wouldn't even want for Hitler, Saddam or Bin Laden (yes, he was american... but you get the point).
Another things with eternal is that it is probably a misnomer. If times doesn't exist, then it is not eternal.... it just is. Eternal feels like time that never finishes... it just goes on and on.... but the absence of time would probably be something else.
I guess we'll never know until we die... we can just speculate meanwhile...
Peace all
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Many of these so-called "Near death experiences" contradict each other. It is the result of brainwashing and imagination.
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Peace everyone. I am again having problems with believing in hell. It seems like it impossible for a God to want to torture anyone for eternity in next life.
I would really like to hear some reasoning from everyone as to why would He actually do it? Why pay such a high price for let's say being a nonbelievers but otherwise a good, law obiding, contributing, polite member of society?
I can't think of anything that would justify it in my eyes at the moment. I do bieve in the demons wich means that I do believe in evil just a I believe in good God, its just the torment as described in the Quran that I am struggling with.
Can I get some reasoning please?
Its easy. Just look at the injustices around you. One day someone will do something and you will know why. It takes a lot of work to make into heaven but even more work to make it into hell.
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Peace Ervin, all
To illustrate my point of view, I will give this analogy
You know when you have a kid, you need to teach him, among other basics, to not touch fire because it is harmful for him. But no matter how much you repeat it to him to prevent him being harmed, he will not stop trying to touch until he get burned once, then he KNOWS for sure that fire hurts when mishandled.
Imagine then that he persists, for whatever illogical reason, to alaways put his hand in fire willingly, what then can you do for him to prevent him from being harmed? Either you can restrict his free-will, or you can let him live freely in his hell as long as he persists in his wrong-doings.
I hope that you can see that those who are/will be in hell are there as a result of their own free-will. And if you take out their free-will, then they wouldn't exist, as persons.
I think that the straight path described in 6151-153 is sufficient to help us avoid "hell", whatever it is, and wish for "paradise", whatever good the god the creator merciful wants for us, the lord of those with knowledge.
Knowledge is the mean to freedom, but it is also a weapon that can be used agaisnt the less kwnolegeable and the ignorants, but in the end, it is all a matter of free-will.
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Peace,
Allah has no wants. Whether you get punished or not does nothing to God.
However, we are given guidance so that we can live a peaceful life and create a peaceful society. There are incentives (Paradise) so that we accomplish this. There is also the promise of punishment to deter us from the path of destruction. Basically, it is similar to the incentives.
Now, if God makes a statement, why would He go back on it? That would make him a liar, and therefore that wouldn't be God anymore. Remember that the Quran uses both allegories as well as literal meanings.
As far as other people are concerned, why are you even concerned with them? Not even the Prophet Muhammad knew what his outcome in the hereafter would be. The relationship is between the person and God and they will be all judged justly. Be concerned with yourself
Peace
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When I was younger i remember wondering how can someone deserve to be hell and what does someone has to do to actually go there.
As I got older certain people have done things to me that had a lot of negative impact on my life and brought me a lot of pain and torment. What I found is that rarely do we understand the impact that some actions can have on others until we go through it. Its not the actions people do that we should look at but the impact it has on somebody else.
There are people who try to thrive on injustices, like the Syrian regime and people like Ghaddafi and the people around them. The corrupt officials who ruin many people's livelihood and can destroy nations so they can live comfortably. The slave traders and big corporate leaders who profiteer from people's blood and tears. The war profiteers and drug dealers who are being paid by blood. Who ruined families and mde people grif and mamed people for life. Just see the pain this brings to others.
However though now I understand why some people end up in hell, I have not understood yet the eternal part.
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A person cannot deny hell and in the same time remain a muslim. So I would advice you not to let Satan take control over you and instead fear Allah and admit that hell exsist. It wont surprise me if quranist end in hell anyway since they have denied our holy prophet sws.
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A person cannot deny hell and in the same time remain a muslim. So I would advice you not to let Satan take control over you and instead fear Allah and admit that hell exsist. It wont surprise me if quranist end in hell anyway since they have denied our holy prophet sws.
Salaam Sunnah-hero,
As far as I know no muslim on this site denied any prophet, we just don't believe in the lies people wrote about them.
salaam,
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Salaam Sunnah-hero,
As far as I know no muslim on this site denied any prophet, we just don't believe in the lies people wrote about them.
salaam,
BenderCan you tell me from the quran that it was our exalted prophet muhammad sws who gave us the quran? Can you tell me from the quran about Sahaba karam? If not than YES YOU have DENIED the prophet sws.
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Can you tell me from the quran that it was our exalted prophet muhammad sws who gave us the quran? Can you tell me from the quran about Sahaba karam? If not than YES YOU have DENIED the prophet sws.
Salaam Sunna-Hero,
I think you meant that I denied Bukharie and Co, not Mohammed.
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Salaam Sunna-Hero,
I think you meant that I denied Bukharie and Co, not Mohammed.
Bender I would now make a new topic dedicated for you. Lets see if you can answer all my questions from the quran. I have my prophet sws blessings with me, whos blessings do you have? You are doomed to failure
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Bender I would now make a new topic dedicated for you. Lets see if you can answer all my questions from the quran. I have my prophet sws blessings with me, whos blessings do you have? You are doomed to failure
Salaam Sunnah-Hero,
I am sorry, I have no time for this. You win handshake
red part o I didn't know Mohammed was still alive
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Salaam Sunnah-Hero,
I am sorry, I have no time for this. You win handshake
red part I didn't know Mohammed was still alive
Bender did you EVER waKe up in the morning looking at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that maybe I am wrong.'' Or do you wake up each morning with your apparently arrogant attitude looking yourself in the mirror telling yourself that today I am ready to tell that freaking sick sunnah hero that I deny his prophet'' maybe you consider me as being a burden for the earth, a sick mentally retarded psychopath who follows 'conjectures' as you quraniyoo call us sunnis but I just want to remind you that YOU CAN BE WRONG! MAYBE the sunnah of the prophet isnt so bad as you think.
Dont say on judgement day that I didn't warned you.
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However though now I understand why some people end up in hell, I have not understood yet the eternal part.
Hell in Jewish and early Christian and contemporary Easten Christian thoughts is not an eternal fire dungeon. The closest thing to hell is short purification of the soul - not eternal. Hell did not become official 'church' doctrine until the 5th century.
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"Peace everyone. I am again having problems with believing in hell. It seems like it impossible for a God to want to torture anyone for eternity in next life.
I would really like to hear some reasoning from everyone as to why would He actually do it? Why pay such a high price for let's say being a nonbelievers but otherwise a good, law obiding, contributing, polite member of society?
I can't think of anything that would justify it in my eyes at the moment. I do bieve in the demons wich means that I do believe in evil just a I believe in good God, its just the torment as described in the Quran that I am struggling with.
Can I get some reasoning please?"
I didn't appear that anyone answered their question "Why pay such a high price for let's say being a nonbelievers but otherwise a good, law obiding, contributing, polite member of society?"
Well first I must ask what they feel is a "non-believer". Non believer in what exactly?
Also from what I remember the quran says that as long as you believe in one god, the last day (having your actions judged), and do righteous deeds than you don't have to worry (about going to hell). Correct me if I am wrong... thanks.