Which direction to pray?
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Salam,
I know that Qiblah is taken for granted by people who think its the direction for where to face during the salat. Nowhere in the Quran you can find Qiblah in that meaning, if you read the ayas without preconceptions. Honestly I think you are taking Qiblah for granted, so I challenge you to read about Qiblah in the Quran and ask yourself again, what does this mean suppose you dont know anything about Qiblah as if you are going to learn what it means for the first time. If you already did that then please explain your line of thought with ayas.
peace
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Salam,
I know that Qiblah is taken for granted by people who think its the direction for where to face during the salat. Nowhere in the Quran you can find Qiblah in that meaning, if you read the ayas without preconceptions. Honestly I think you are taking Qiblah for granted, so I challenge you to read about Qiblah in the Quran and ask yourself again, what does this mean suppose you dont know anything about Qiblah as if you are going to learn what it means for the first time. If you already did that then please explain your line of thought with ayas.
peace
I agree with you and research may find something new. i would be back soon Peace
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Salam,
I know that Qiblah is taken for granted by people who think its the direction for where to face during the salat. Nowhere in the Quran you can find Qiblah in that meaning, if you read the ayas without preconceptions. Honestly I think you are taking Qiblah for granted, so I challenge you to read about Qiblah in the Quran and ask yourself again, what does this mean suppose you dont know anything about Qiblah as if you are going to learn what it means for the first time. If you already did that then please explain your line of thought with ayas.
peace
Salaam Ala,
I agree with you handshake
2177
2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the contact prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous.Please note in Arabic text the usage of word "Qibala" of Mashriq and Maghrib is not piety.
May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
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Salam,
I know that Qiblah is taken for granted by people who think its the direction for where to face during the salat. Nowhere in the Quran you can find Qiblah in that meaning, if you read the ayas without preconceptions. Honestly I think you are taking Qiblah for granted, so I challenge you to read about Qiblah in the Quran and ask yourself again, what does this mean suppose you dont know anything about Qiblah as if you are going to learn what it means for the first time. If you already did that then please explain your line of thought with ayas.
peace
Salam
The Arabic word 'Qibla' is formed from its root word 'QAF-BA-LAM' and means to face or front something, to advance, to encounter or to confront face to face. It forms words such as 'istaqbalahu' which means that he faced him or it, that he turned his face towards him or it or indeed met him.
Other word derivates are also formed such as 'qubalatahu' which means opposite to, in a position so as to face him or it. Other words are also formed which imply a direction, point, place or something which is in front of another thing.
The Quran consistently uses the word 'Qibla' in the context of a direction of devotion or prayer (2142, 2143, 2144, 2145, 2145, 2145, 1087)
AQ-10087
"And We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message "Provide houses for your people in Egypt, make your houses into direction (Arabic Qiblatan) to establish prayers and give glad tidings to those who believe!"
Salam
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But salat doesn't mean prayer.
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Salam Sidi
Salam
The Arabic word 'Qibla' is formed from its root word 'QAF-BA-LAM' and means to face or front something, to advance, to encounter or to confront face to face. It forms words such as 'istaqbalahu' which means that he faced him or it, that he turned his face towards him or it or indeed met him.
Other word derivates are also formed such as 'qubalatahu' which means opposite to, in a position so as to face him or it. Other words are also formed which imply a direction, point, place or something which is in front of another thing.
The Quran consistently uses the word 'Qibla' in the context of a direction of devotion
Yes, Yes, and yes ) I agree with all that!
or prayer (2142, 2143, 2144, 2145, 2145, 2145, 1087)
AQ-10087
"And We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message "Provide houses for your people in Egypt, make your houses into direction (Arabic Qiblatan) to establish prayers and give glad tidings to those who believe!"
About 2142-145
2142
Literal The ignorant/foolish from the people will say "What turned them away from their direction ,which they were on it?" Say "To God the sunrise/east and the sunset/west, He guides whom He wills/wants to a straight/direct road/way."This aya actually says no matter east or west, Alsiraat almustaqeem (the right path) is not bound to any cardinal direction. I think it is about direction in faith. So the fool who dont know what the right path is about will ask why those people changed their faith?
2143
Literal And like that We made you a moderate/reasonable nation to be witnesses on the people, and the messenger be witness on you, and We did not make the direction that you were on it, except to know who follows the messenger from who returns on his two heels , and that truly big/great except on those who God guided, and God was not to waste your faith/belief, that God (is) with the people merciful/compassionate , most merciful .So, by telling the people that its not about any direction on the compass and showing them the right path (in 2142) God made them a reasonable/moderate nation.
I dont think that the direction of Salat is so hard to follow that the direction in particular will be the criterion for the prophet to know who is with him and who is not. All muslims pray towards Kaaba but they all follow hadeeth and sunna and all kind of traditions as well, so how are they following the rasool? That is barely something hard except for the nonbelievers. However what is hard for the nonbelievers is to follow Abrahams religion, the straight path.2144
Literal We have seen/understood your face turning around in the sky, so We will turn/enable/appoint you a direction you accept/approve it, so turn your face towards the Mosque (masjid) the Forbidden/Respected/Sacred and wherever you were so turn your faces towards it, and that those who were given The Book they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and that God is not with neglecting/disregarding about what they make/do .God is talking about the confused believer (messenger or not). God is telling this confused believer to turn his/her face towards "Masjid Alharam". Turning the face towards something is not literal here because God told us earlier that its not about physical directions. Its about facing life, face life with masjud alharam in focus, in other words live like Abraham did since he established masjid alharam.
2145
Literal And if you gave/came (those who were given The Book with each/every verse/evidence they would not followed your direction, and you are not with following their direction, and some of them not with following the direction of some, and if you followed their self attractions for desires from after what came to you from the knowledge , that you are then from the unjust/oppressors.Here it becomes clear that Qibla is not about any direction for salat. whatever evidence you bring to them they still wont follow your way (alsirat almustaqeem as previous). They follow other ways/faiths in life according to their desires.
Honestly to claim that those ayas has anything to do with salat and its direction requires some hadeethly imagination ;D1087
Literal And We inspired/transmitted to Moses and his brother that you reside/establish houses/homes to your people/nation by a city/border/region/Egypt, and make your houses/homes direction, and keep up the prayers, and announce good news to the believers.bani Israel were in trouble and they asked God for help. This aya is what God told them to do as solution. Make yourself homes/dwellings in this place (misr) where you are oppressed but make your houses even qiblahs. I am not sure of what this means, I think to make the houses a place where they can take refuge, remember God and maintain alsiraat almustaqeem since they were not allowed to do this freely in misr. And ofcourse maintain salat. But maintaining salat there has nothing to do with their houses being qiblahs.
Peace!
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The Arabic word 'Qibla' is formed from its root word 'QAF-BA-LAM' and means to face or front something, to advance, to encounter or to confront face to face. It forms words such as 'istaqbalahu' which means that he faced him or it, that he turned his face towards him or it or indeed met him.
Other word derivates are also formed such as 'qubalatahu' which means opposite to, in a position so as to face him or it. Other words are also formed which imply a direction, point, place or something which is in front of another thing.
Qaf-Ba-Lam as you've highlighted can also mean 'encounter', 'proceed towards'...
Which make this verse clearer..AQ-10087
"And We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message "Provide houses for your people in Egypt, make your houses AS GATHERING POINT (Arabic Waj'alu Buyutakum Qiblatan) to AND ESTABLISH/UPHOLD THE SALAT (Wa Aqimu Al-Salata) and give glad tidings to those who believe!"Qiblat is a place to gather.. gathering point.. rallying point.. a place to go to..
And not a 'place to direct your face to'..10087 meant.. Yo. Moses.. create a dwelling place in Egypt.. gather all of your people there.. tell them to uphold/steadfast in faith/prayer/commandment and give good news for those who have faith..
Because the next plan is... to migrate all of them out from Egypt... which will be hard to do if you don't have all of them gathered in one place to start with right?
Salam / Peace
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Taking aside whether Makkah is the actual Qiblah and whether Qibla means a focal point for ritual prayers (again taking aside whether there is ritual prayer in the Quran)
Is your point that the person in Brazil (imagine a person is in Brazil) Can pray both to their East and west but they'll still be praying towards the same place?
Similarly, a person in Britain can pray South Easternly and North Westernly but still be facing the same place? Or am I crazy lolPhew!
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Salaam,
I have a few simple questions. Can someone with knowledge enlighten me with your answers so that I can correct myself! Thanks.
1- Where is it mentioned in AlQuraan that we have to keep our face towards Qiblah when we are going to start our Salaat?
2- Is it really/literally possible for people around the world to keep their face towards a single mosque called AlMasjid AlHaraam?
3- As per 2144 everybody is asked to turn their faces towards AlMasjid AlHaraam, then what people are doing inside AlMasjid AlHaraam in Makkah?
4- Why is ... used in 2142 when it means "The fools among the people will say..."? It has to happen, not yet happened?
5- In 1226 ... ... the word used is qubulin, is it also derived from the word qibla? Is it talking about Yousuf's qiblah?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
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Salam Bro Jaafar and Sis Ala
hmm, I concur with you to a certain extent.
In verses 02144,149,150 - In these verses it is not mentioned of Salat but the context in those verses points on a contrary. ALLAH says ...."turn your face towards Masjidil Haraam whereever you are.........." HE had extablished a focul point and for what, if its not for a specific purpose.
A good example is AQ-1087, where Bro Jaafar corrected me, if you check the context of the verse you will find that the Qiblat mentioned does not means direction but instead gathering / meeting point and it has nothing to do with direction of Salat albeit Salat is mentioned in the verse.
Thank you Bro Jaafar and Sis Ala. Its been an education for me )
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Peace everybody.
Regardless, timing, actions, words, claims for 396,...... now we live in such era with GPS and all other tools to find our direction
Any high school student knows that any sphere any size can have infinite center axis wich creates 2 points 180 degree apart from each other in all directions.
Simpler example is we can insert a Large Knitting Needles into any line splitting an orange in any direction which creates 2 points 180 degree apart from each other in infinite direction (Nano degrees ))
The following image shows that person in city 180 degree apart of KabhaS !https//fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314571_311746885518754_100000503349273_1292774_325885893_n.jpg
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Peace everybody.
Regardless, timing, actions, words, claims for 396,...... now we live in such era with GPS and all other tools to find our direction
Any high school student knows that any sphere any size can have infinite center axis wich creates 2 points 180 degree apart from each other in all directions.Refreshing image url link
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Salam / Peace
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Qaf-Ba-Lam as you've highlighted can also mean 'encounter', 'proceed towards'...
Which make this verse clearer..AQ-10087
"And We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message "Provide houses for your people in Egypt, make your houses AS GATHERING POINT (Arabic Waj'alu Buyutakum Qiblatan) to AND ESTABLISH/UPHOLD THE SALAT (Wa Aqimu Al-Salata) and give glad tidings to those who believe!"Qiblat is a place to gather.. gathering point.. rallying point.. a place to go to..
And not a 'place to direct your face to'..10087 meant.. Yo. Moses.. create a dwelling place in Egypt.. gather all of your people there.. tell them to uphold/steadfast in faith/prayer/commandment and give good news for those who have faith..
Because the next plan is... to migrate all of them out from Egypt... which will be hard to do if you don't have all of them gathered in one place to start with right?
Salam / Peace
Thre is nothing in Judaic tradition about what you are saying. Meanwhile the Koran specifically said that Qibla is something the Jews have and understand like they understand and know their own sons.
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Thre is nothing in Judaic tradition about what you are saying.
Be more specific, about what?
The exodus?? They wrote a volume of it...Meanwhile the Koran specifically said that Qibla is something the Jews have and understand like they understand and know their own sons.
Of course.. because it's Jerusalem.. as focal/gathering point/capital of the jews / Judea, before it was demolished by the Romans.. and they setup statue of their gods there... Afterwards the Romanic Christians take over, they put the Roman gods statue down and left it as rubble. Furthermore they banned any Jews (Nazarenes included) from entering Jerusalem.. that's why it's called "Restricted Place"..
That was the situation back around 600 AD..Salam / Peace
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Well, i personally would believe in Mecca as the direction. even if you think it's Jerusalem, both are at the eastern hemisphere.
From my point in the NE of the Us, i would face slightly south-east.
take a sphere of the earth, incline it to 23.5 degrees to the right, place a marker at your place, and a second marker at Mecca or jerusalem if that's your belief, then see which direction to look.Note It is Important to title your sphere. The earth is TILTED around 23.5 degrees
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Be more specific, about what?
The exodus?? They wrote a volume of it...
Of course.. because it's Jerusalem.. as focal/gathering point/capital of the jews / Judea, before it was demolished by the Romans.. and they setup statue of their gods there... Afterwards the Romanic Christians take over, they put the Roman gods statue down and left it as rubble. Furthermore they banned any Jews (Nazarenes included) from entering Jerusalem.. that's why it's called "Restricted Place"..
That was the situation back around 600 AD..Salam / Peace
Jerusalem was what it was because of the Temple there and nothing else. The Jews used to face the temple in Jerusalem. There is nothing about gathering and focal point that I know of.
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Jerusalem was what it was because of the Temple there and nothing else. The Jews used to face the temple in Jerusalem. There is nothing about gathering and focal point that I know of.
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The Israelites / Jews during Moses time hasn't developed a habit/tradition of facing certain direction upon praying or when they're dead.. (All Jewish graves after their second captivity by the Babylonians are oriented towards Jerusalem)
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The Israelites cannot go anywhere outside the border of Egypt, they're slave there.. during Moses time.. Heck perhaps they cannot go outside their own homes / ghetto / district. A similar case found in today's Gaza district...
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The 10087 is an order sent through Moses for the Jews to gather up in their ghetto / district. It's the same as saying
Gather up on your district/homes/ghetto folks! (Make it as QIBLAT) We shall migrate from the land of bondage (Egypt) altogether! To the land of the free where all of us shall be a freeman (and woman) once more...
Salam / Peace
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