'Islamic Culture' is a myth
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The idea of Islamic culture is a misnomer to be more exact. That there's an underlying culture that belongs specifically to Islam is not accurate in today's world. I could even argue that never once has there been an 'Islamic Culture' even in the times of Muhammad(pbuh).
For example at the time of the origin of Islam, the culture of the religion was defined as the culture as practiced by the Arab bedouins who first converted to it. While many customs and traditions of the genuine deen were indeed a part of it, it was also a mix of Arab culture, customs, and traditions, because the original and sole practitioners of Islam at the time were Arab desert nomads. So of course everything that they did, was associated not only with their ethnic culture but with their religious identity.
But as Islam spread to Persia, India, Africa, and Europe, many cultures adopted the deen of Islam yet retained their own cultural identities. The cultures of the people of North Africa changed when Islam was adopted but they still retained their own cultural identities. The Indians who adopted Islam also had a shift in culture yet still had a cultural identity separate and different from the original Arabs.
Fast forward to today where Islam is spread to all corners of the globe. Culturally, a Muslim in California and a Muslim in Saudi Arabia are quite different yet their beliefs are likely similar. The idea that to be a true Muslim, one must embrace the culture of the Arabs I think is an issue in today's deen and also a fallacy.
Humility and modesty are universal notions that the Qur'an preaches. Yet why should modest dress for me, a young male in Los Angeles have to include a kufi and a thobe? Won't a long sleeve shirt and pants suffice? Why should a young woman have to wear a hidjab to show her modesty? Is professional loose-fitting attire not good enough?
The notion of Arab/Persian superiority or that all aspects of Western or foreign civilizations are from shaitan are a fallacy.
There are hadiths about men not looking like women and vice versa and also not to copy other cultures. What if you come from a place where that line is more blurred? A place where women don't typically cover their heads, or a place where it's normal for men to have their earlobes pierced? Should you then have to adopt the Arab perspective when there are thousands of different cultures in the world? Why is it that things like hidjab and beard are not found in the Qur'an but are a standard around the world for Islamic piety? It seems the hadith want us all to look, think, and act the same when God in the Qur'an has said O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. (4913)
The idea of traditional Arab customs being the standard is an enemy to growth and reform in Islam. When a Muslim convert in the Western world is told that their culture is religiously inferior or is the culture of shaitan, because of their style of dress or cultural norms, and that they need to adopt more Islamic (Arab) customs to please, God that have no basis in the Qur'an, that is wrong and uninviting.
When the Muslim community can move past cultural bias and judge based only on the Qur'an, the community will be far better off. We need to unite in our similarities and accept our differences and as the Qur'an says And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.(54
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I agree with your statements. I too have thought about this issue and also the issue of Arabization of lands where Islam spread and I thought it was sad that the Arabic culture suppressed and attempted to replace the indigenous culture (ex Morocco). I thought this was quite sad because Allah clearly states we are all different for a reason and we should celebrate our differences.
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The idea of Islamic culture is a misnomer to be more exact. That there's an underlying culture that belongs specifically to Islam is not accurate in today's world. I could even argue that never once has there been an 'Islamic Culture' even in the times of Muhammad(pbuh).
For example at the time of the origin of Islam, the culture of the religion was defined as the culture as practiced by the Arab bedouins who first converted to it. While many customs and traditions of the genuine deen were indeed a part of it, it was also a mix of Arab culture, customs, and traditions, because the original and sole practitioners of Islam at the time were Arab desert nomads. So of course everything that they did, was associated not only with their ethnic culture but with their religious identity.
But as Islam spread to Persia, India, Africa, and Europe, many cultures adopted the deen of Islam yet retained their own cultural identities. The cultures of the people of North Africa changed when Islam was adopted but they still retained their own cultural identities. The Indians who adopted Islam also had a shift in culture yet still had a cultural identity separate and different from the original Arabs.
Fast forward to today where Islam is spread to all corners of the globe. Culturally, a Muslim in California and a Muslim in Saudi Arabia are quite different yet their beliefs are likely similar. The idea that to be a true Muslim, one must embrace the culture of the Arabs I think is an issue in today's deen and also a fallacy.
Humility and modesty are universal notions that the Qur'an preaches. Yet why should modest dress for me, a young male in Los Angeles have to include a kufi and a thobe? Won't a long sleeve shirt and pants suffice? Why should a young woman have to wear a hidjab to show her modesty? Is professional loose-fitting attire not good enough?
The notion of Arab/Persian superiority or that all aspects of Western or foreign civilizations are from shaitan are a fallacy.
There are hadiths about men not looking like women and vice versa and also not to copy other cultures. What if you come from a place where that line is more blurred? A place where women don't typically cover their heads, or a place where it's normal for men to have their earlobes pierced? Should you then have to adopt the Arab perspective when there are thousands of different cultures in the world? Why is it that things like hidjab and beard are not found in the Qur'an but are a standard around the world for Islamic piety? It seems the hadith want us all to look, think, and act the same when God in the Qur'an has said O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. (4913)
The idea of traditional Arab customs being the standard is an enemy to growth and reform in Islam. When a Muslim convert in the Western world is told that their culture is religiously inferior or is the culture of shaitan, because of their style of dress or cultural norms, and that they need to adopt more Islamic (Arab) customs to please, God that have no basis in the Qur'an, that is wrong and uninviting.
When the Muslim community can move past cultural bias and judge based only on the Qur'an, the community will be far better off. We need to unite in our similarities and accept our differences and as the Qur'an says And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.(54
The tribal nature of Arab society basically believed that it was the tribe that Muhamamd belonged to (the Meccan tribes) that shoud be the guardian and rulers of Muslims. The Meccans however where his enemies and rejected him and his message, the Koran. So when the Meccan took control during the Ummayyid and Abbasid and Fatmid dynasties, they introduced many of their culture and political interest into Islam through the Sunnah.
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Each country has it's own culture. Like India and Pakistan has very similar cultures.... but part of the cultures are different due to different religions.
It all depend on how we define culture. People in "west" bunch together the "islamic" practices and calls it a culture. They see it from the out side and doesnt bother to see it more closely or truely.
So religion, national culture, social section, ethnicity etc all add up to the overall culture.But people are very often not ready to think the extra mile.... just label, judge and move on. Forget how things really are. Who cares? If you try to understand others, then who are you going to back-stab with prejudice?
peace!
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Each country has it's own culture. Like India and Pakistan has very similar cultures.... but part of the cultures are different due to different religions.
It all depend on how we define culture. People in "west" bunch together the "islamic" practices and calls it a culture. They see it from the out side and doesnt bother to see it more closely or truely.
So religion, national culture, social section, ethnicity etc all add up to the overall culture.But people are very often not ready to think the extra mile.... just label, judge and move on. Forget how things really are. Who cares? If you try to understand others, then who are you going to back-stab with prejudice?
peace!
But Islam is not a religion on the first place and has nothing to do with culture. In the U.S, the average person is an idiot, they have an awful society, sure there are smart ones too, but those are way rarer, so nobody cares what they call Islam, but even when they do, they're actually calling Sunni or other sect practices a culture.
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peace,
for "Islamic culture" we could call an HIGH MORAL STANDARDS.
without any impurities in islam. so it will not make it a myth.
i said it just for presentation of islam in concept of culture. -
For example at the time of the origin of Islam, the culture of the religion was defined as the culture as practiced by the Arab bedouins who first converted to it. While many customs and traditions of the genuine deen were indeed a part of it, it was also a mix of Arab culture, customs, and traditions, because the original and sole practitioners of Islam at the time were Arab desert nomads. So of course everything that they did, was associated not only with their ethnic culture but with their religious identity.
islam is not a culture or sect or religion.. islam didn't started 1400 years ago at the time of muhammad.
Even during that time the 'Arab desert nomads' are not the only moslems on earth.But as Islam spread to Persia, India, Africa, and Europe, many cultures adopted the deen of Islam yet retained their own cultural identities. The cultures of the people of North Africa changed when Islam was adopted but they still retained their own cultural identities. The Indians who adopted Islam also had a shift in culture yet still had a cultural identity separate and different from the original Arabs.
A mixed of Arabic/Jewish/Syrian culture spread to Persia first.
And then it mixed to become Arabic/Jewish/Syrian/Persian/Greek/Roman culture before spread to central asia and other part of the world. And then it mixed again to become something else..The idea that to be a true Muslim, one must embrace the culture of the Arabs I think is an issue in today's deen and also a fallacy.
Of course it is a fallacy...
The notion of Arab/Persian superiority or that all aspects of Western or foreign civilizations are from shaitan are a fallacy.
Of course it is a fallacy...
The notion of 'all which is foreign' are evil is a common attitude among 'conservative' / ' nationalist'. Commonly used by politicians to rally support towards him/her and it always works like a charm.
Latest Case Study Vladimir Putin used the same propaganda to (yet again) win the latest russian election.
And... During Muhammad's time, the Meccan Arabs used the same notion to rally people support against Mr. Mo and his gangs. They might says things like Muhammad is a 'foreign agent'! He tries to turns you away from the 'holy and glorious culture' of our arabian ancestors! He's a Jewish agent!
plus ?a change, plus c'est la meme chose..
Salam / Peace
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definition for culture ---
noun
1.the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2.that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3.a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period Greek culture.
4.development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
5.the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group the youth culture; the drug culture.p.s. all this is IN Islamic life, and there is right and wrong...... it is a TEST.
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Slaam to all, i wish you all of you in Peace and Blessings of Allah(Creator) sun
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that is why i always say Quran= Religion
Hadith=CultureSimple perfect complete and detailed answer... That?s it.. pr
Its very different ex If i like Arabyk building technics and designs..its 1 thing..or wathever otherculture, that doesnt mean nothing..
Now.. Acording to Islam.. one should think act and live in a global Tolerance and kindnesss..Exemple i borned in Portugal(ex GharbAlandalus) then i reverted in Brasil (wich is not at all arabyk culture) ..buttt Muslims in Brasil want to be more Arab lokking (dress etc+Hadith) and many have Saudi mentality because they folow HAdith blindlyy... YEs AQ is just Protection object in Majoraty of Case... So its all about wise thinking, and balance inside and outside of oneself... if you follow and mix Mediaval garments and way of life with ALLAH DEEN ...you will be just 1 more puppet in hands of Wrongdoers..
Salaam to ALL/PEACE/PAZ sun pr )
NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI
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Slaam to all, i wish you all of you in Peace and Blessings of Allah(Creator) sun
khan25
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that is why i always say Quran= Religion
Hadith=CultureSimple perfect complete and detailed answer... That?s it.. pr
Its very different ex If i like Arabyk building technics and designs..its 1 thing..or wathever otherculture, that doesnt mean nothing..
Now.. Acording to Islam.. one should think act and live in a global Tolerance and kindnesss..Exemple i borned in Portugal(ex GharbAlandalus) then i reverted in Brasil (wich is not at all arabyk culture) ..buttt Muslims in Brasil want to be more Arab lokking (dress etc+Hadith) and many have Saudi mentality because they folow HAdith blindlyy... YEs AQ is just Protection object in Majoraty of Case... So its all about wise thinking, and balance inside and outside of oneself... if you follow and mix Mediaval garments and way of life with ALLAH DEEN ...you will be just 1 more puppet in hands of Wrongdoers..
Salaam to ALL/PEACE/PAZ sun pr
NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI
Wut? Quran is the word of Allah and thus against religion, not equal to it.
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SALAAM bro sun
YES THATS WHAT I PRETEND TO SAY in Resume SORRY FOR ANY MISCONCEPTION... sun O0
Maybe i jsut put words in wrong places.Religion=manmade
DIN/SISTEM= CReator lawsAny mistake just tell me again feel free and thanks one more time.. peace handshake pr
NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI
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SALAAM bro sun
YES THATS WHAT I PRETEND TO SAY in Resume D SORRY FOR ANY MISCONCEPTION... sun O0
Maybe i jsut put words in wrong places.Religion=manmade
DIN/SISTEM= CReator lawsAny mistake just tell me again feel free D and thanks one more time.. peace handshake pr
NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI
No problem bro sun