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'Islamic Culture' is a myth

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    khan25
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    that is why i always say Quran= Religion
    Hadith=Culture

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      Zulf
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      Each country has it's own culture. Like India and Pakistan has very similar cultures.... but part of the cultures are different due to different religions.
      It all depend on how we define culture. People in "west" bunch together the "islamic" practices and calls it a culture. They see it from the out side and doesnt bother to see it more closely or truely.
      So religion, national culture, social section, ethnicity etc all add up to the overall culture.

      But people are very often not ready to think the extra mile.... just label, judge and move on. Forget how things really are. Who cares? If you try to understand others, then who are you going to back-stab with prejudice?

      peace!

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        Kaiokenred
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        Each country has it's own culture. Like India and Pakistan has very similar cultures.... but part of the cultures are different due to different religions.
        It all depend on how we define culture. People in "west" bunch together the "islamic" practices and calls it a culture. They see it from the out side and doesnt bother to see it more closely or truely.
        So religion, national culture, social section, ethnicity etc all add up to the overall culture.

        But people are very often not ready to think the extra mile.... just label, judge and move on. Forget how things really are. Who cares? If you try to understand others, then who are you going to back-stab with prejudice?

        peace!

        But Islam is not a religion on the first place and has nothing to do with culture. In the U.S, the average person is an idiot, they have an awful society, sure there are smart ones too, but those are way rarer, so nobody cares what they call Islam, but even when they do, they're actually calling Sunni or other sect practices a culture.

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          Karimah
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          Baba Ali has a nice little video discussing Islam vs Culture

          http//youtu.be/uj_vBznRir0

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            nurmuhammed
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            peace,
            for "Islamic culture" we could call an HIGH MORAL STANDARDS.
            without any impurities in islam. so it will not make it a myth.
            i said it just for presentation of islam in concept of culture.

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              Jafar
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              For example at the time of the origin of Islam, the culture of the religion was defined as the culture as practiced by the Arab bedouins who first converted to it. While many customs and traditions of the genuine deen were indeed a part of it, it was also a mix of Arab culture, customs, and traditions, because the original and sole practitioners of Islam at the time were Arab desert nomads. So of course everything that they did, was associated not only with their ethnic culture but with their religious identity.

              islam is not a culture or sect or religion.. islam didn't started 1400 years ago at the time of muhammad.
              Even during that time the 'Arab desert nomads' are not the only moslems on earth.

              But as Islam spread to Persia, India, Africa, and Europe, many cultures adopted the deen of Islam yet retained their own cultural identities. The cultures of the people of North Africa changed when Islam was adopted but they still retained their own cultural identities. The Indians who adopted Islam also had a shift in culture yet still had a cultural identity separate and different from the original Arabs.

              A mixed of Arabic/Jewish/Syrian culture spread to Persia first.
              And then it mixed to become Arabic/Jewish/Syrian/Persian/Greek/Roman culture before spread to central asia and other part of the world. And then it mixed again to become something else..

              The idea that to be a true Muslim, one must embrace the culture of the Arabs I think is an issue in today's deen and also a fallacy.

              Of course it is a fallacy...

              The notion of Arab/Persian superiority or that all aspects of Western or foreign civilizations are from shaitan are a fallacy.

              Of course it is a fallacy...

              The notion of 'all which is foreign' are evil is a common attitude among 'conservative' / ' nationalist'. Commonly used by politicians to rally support towards him/her and it always works like a charm.

              Latest Case Study Vladimir Putin used the same propaganda to (yet again) win the latest russian election.

              And... During Muhammad's time, the Meccan Arabs used the same notion to rally people support against Mr. Mo and his gangs. They might says things like Muhammad is a 'foreign agent'! He tries to turns you away from the 'holy and glorious culture' of our arabian ancestors! He's a Jewish agent!

              plus ?a change, plus c'est la meme chose..

              Salam / Peace

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                nurmuhammed
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                definition for culture ---
                noun
                1.the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
                2.that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
                3.a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period Greek culture.
                4.development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
                5.the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group the youth culture; the drug culture.

                p.s. all this is IN Islamic life, and there is right and wrong...... it is a TEST.

                http//prinpink.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/colorpeoplecircle.jpg?w=490&h=326

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                  NOMAD
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                  Slaam to all, i wish you all of you in Peace and Blessings of Allah(Creator) sun

                  khan25

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                  that is why i always say Quran= Religion
                  Hadith=Culture

                  Simple perfect complete and detailed answer... That?s it.. pr

                  Its very different ex If i like Arabyk building technics and designs..its 1 thing..or wathever otherculture, that doesnt mean nothing..
                  Now.. Acording to Islam.. one should think act and live in a global Tolerance and kindnesss..

                  Exemple i borned in Portugal(ex GharbAlandalus) then i reverted in Brasil (wich is not at all arabyk culture) ..buttt Muslims in Brasil want to be more Arab lokking (dress etc+Hadith) and many have Saudi mentality because they folow HAdith blindlyy... YEs AQ is just Protection object in Majoraty of Case... So its all about wise thinking, and balance inside and outside of oneself... if you follow and mix Mediaval garments and way of life with ALLAH DEEN ...you will be just 1 more puppet in hands of Wrongdoers..

                  Salaam to ALL/PEACE/PAZ sun pr )

                  NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI

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                    Kaiokenred
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                    Slaam to all, i wish you all of you in Peace and Blessings of Allah(Creator) sun

                    khan25

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                    that is why i always say Quran= Religion
                    Hadith=Culture

                    Simple perfect complete and detailed answer... That?s it.. pr

                    Its very different ex If i like Arabyk building technics and designs..its 1 thing..or wathever otherculture, that doesnt mean nothing..
                    Now.. Acording to Islam.. one should think act and live in a global Tolerance and kindnesss..

                    Exemple i borned in Portugal(ex GharbAlandalus) then i reverted in Brasil (wich is not at all arabyk culture) ..buttt Muslims in Brasil want to be more Arab lokking (dress etc+Hadith) and many have Saudi mentality because they folow HAdith blindlyy... YEs AQ is just Protection object in Majoraty of Case... So its all about wise thinking, and balance inside and outside of oneself... if you follow and mix Mediaval garments and way of life with ALLAH DEEN ...you will be just 1 more puppet in hands of Wrongdoers..

                    Salaam to ALL/PEACE/PAZ sun pr

                    NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI

                    Wut? Quran is the word of Allah and thus against religion, not equal to it.

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                      NOMAD
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                      SALAAM bro sun

                      YES THATS WHAT I PRETEND TO SAY in Resume SORRY FOR ANY MISCONCEPTION... sun O0
                      Maybe i jsut put words in wrong places.

                      Religion=manmade
                      DIN/SISTEM= CReator laws

                      Any mistake just tell me again feel free and thanks one more time.. peace handshake pr

                      NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI

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                        Kaiokenred
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                        SALAAM bro sun

                        YES THATS WHAT I PRETEND TO SAY in Resume D SORRY FOR ANY MISCONCEPTION... sun O0
                        Maybe i jsut put words in wrong places.

                        Religion=manmade
                        DIN/SISTEM= CReator laws

                        Any mistake just tell me again feel free D and thanks one more time.. peace handshake pr

                        NOMAD AKA RASHID L?ANDALUSI

                        No problem bro sun

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