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    mmkhan
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    Salaam,

    Can someone please help me with what is the exact meaning of in where the plural of is used as in .

    Any help will be highly appreciated inshaAllah.

    May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
    mmKhan

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      Bender
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      Salaam bro,

      Do you mean who these Alshajateen are OR the meaning of the word shajateen?
      If you mean, the meaning of the word, why then are you interested in the plural form hmm

      Salaam,
      Bender

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        Mazhar
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        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603534.0

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          mmkhan
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          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603534.0

          Thanks for the link Mazhar. But unfortunately I did not get my answer, I think you did not understand what I am looking for. nope

          May Allah guide us to His true path pr
          mmKhan

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            mmkhan
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            Salaam bro,

            Do you mean who these Alshajateen are OR the meaning of the word shajateen?
            If you mean, the meaning of the word, why then are you interested in the plural form hmm

            Salaam,
            Bender

            Salaam Bender,

            Not AlShayaateen but letter after this word AlShayaateenI where the plural is AlShayaateenA. Hope you understand, just wanted to know if there is something grammatical.

            May Allah guide us to His true path pr
            mmKhan

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              siwto
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              Salam;

              There are two grammar cases that explain the end of the first word (with I as prepositive case) and of the second word (with A as accusative case).

              Thus the meaning of the word is the same but the end changes due its function in the sentence.

              Hope that hlps

              Peace;

              Siwto

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                mmkhan
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                Salam;

                There are two grammar cases that explain the end of the first word (with I as prepositive case) and of the second word (with A as accusative case).

                Thus the meaning of the word is the same but the end changes due its function in the sentence.

                Hope that hlps

                Peace;

                Siwto

                Salaam Siwto,

                Thank you very much for your reply bro.

                I have a problem understanding it because I don't find such usage anywhere else in AlQuraan. Most of the times all the Isms are used in accusative form like MomineeA, MuslimeenA, MunafiqeenA, ShayaateenA, MujrimeenA, KaazibeenA, MukhlaseenA, MursaleenA, NabiyyeenA, HaakimeenA, KaafireenA, AakifeenA, SaajideenA, QaaimeenA, RaakieenA, MushrikeenA or MushrikoonA, KaafiroonA, MuninoonA, etc. etc.

                I never find any prepositive case for any of the words, like MomineenI, MuslimeenI, MursaleenI, NabiyyeenI or MominoonI, MuslimoonI, etc. etc.

                But this case is used only for a single word i.e., AlShayaateenI in AlQuraan? Why? What could be the possible reason? Is that mean something else?

                Not only once, but the same word is also used in 1727, 2182, 3765, 675 apart from 2397.

                Any ideas what would it be? May Allah help us pr

                May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
                mmKhan

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                  siwto
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                  Salam mmkhan;

                  Basically as you you pointed, this question is there. If these isms were the plural of shaytan, then their prepositive & accusative cases would be shayatin, whereas their nominative & the subject forms will be in shayatun. But this letter form is never encountered in th book of Allah.
                  More research is needed as what is their meaning relatively to shaytan?

                  Bro, please would someeebody help with updated Quranic search software download, my former one is fake.
                  thanks a lot & i will be back in sha'Allah.Peace,

                  Siwto

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                    I have a problem understanding it because I don't find such usage anywhere else in AlQuraan. Most of the times all the Isms are used in accusative form like MomineeA, MuslimeenA, MunafiqeenA, ShayaateenA, MujrimeenA, KaazibeenA, MukhlaseenA, MursaleenA, NabiyyeenA, HaakimeenA, KaafireenA, AakifeenA, SaajideenA, QaaimeenA, RaakieenA, MushrikeenA or MushrikoonA, KaafiroonA, MuninoonA, etc. etc.

                    This is because you are comparing this plural noun with sound plural Active Participles. Sound Plural active participles do not take Kasra at their end. Their position as genitive or accusative is determined/estimated by the preceding word.

                    In case of the word under study it is accusative in the first instance being Noun of Verb Like Particle Inna. And is genitive in second case because of second noun of Possessive Phrase. Active Participle would be -- which is matching your quoted other active participles

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                      loxbox13
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                      Salaam,

                      Can someone please help me with what is the exact meaning of in where the plural of is used as in .

                      Any help will be highly appreciated inshaAllah.

                      May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
                      mmKhan

                      Salam brother
                      Chaitan to me is a synonym of Ibleed

                      Chaitan = Cheater , chayateen = Cheaters , in a global view of course , they have abother word for Chaitan , it translates Chicane
                      Iblees = Oblivious, Cavil

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                        youssef4342
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                        well another word would be ALLAH
                        In some cases it's Allahu
                        in others it is Allahi
                        in others it is Allaha

                        Also, the word shaytan is a cognate of the Hebrew Ha-satan which i think means Accusser or adversary. Thus the Shaytan can be a title to Iblis, he is THE Shaytan, or to say, the Real Adversary to Mankind.

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