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    Carl Jung ?What you resist, persists.?

    Not resisting the changes inside is what patience is about. While noticing, breath love and turn every heartbeat into prayer.

    The better you serve to the unseen, the better the seen serves you.

    Having the chance to become who you were meant to be requires answering the call of your own journey.

    Paul Rebillot a nowadays hero explains a dialogue between a student and the teacher?
    ?A student asks Teacher, I am seeing this dream where a black cat eats a white butterfly. What does it mean?

    • It means that a black cat eats a white butterfly, nothing more. Whatever else you think it means it?s you, and not how things really are.?

    This is a beautiful illustration of imposing personal perceptions upon the world. The human doesn?t see the world. He sees the own meanings regarding the world. The human doesn?t hear the world, he hears the own meaning of the world.

    Two people met over a coffee. Beforehand they were reading the same scripture and the same verse. Upon reading one says to himself Aha, this verse means ? red.

    The next does the same, but her meaning is ? blue.

    So upon meeting the begin to talk about this, and of course they cannot agree because what once was in the Name of GOD, now becomes in the name or personal egos. Which one is right? ? None.

    Right is the one that brings the righteousness.

    Btw, In the Name of GOD means in the Presence of GOD.
    In the name of GOD can talk only a person that GOD speaks In his name. And those are rare pearls on the sphere of existence.

    If you want to see, let go the eyes.

    If you want to hear, let go the hearing.

    If you want to understand, let go the mind.

    Praise be to GOD, the nearest to the heart.

    Quran, 5016 - And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein.

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      Whatever stands between you and GOD is a trap and barrier to be free from.

      • Whatever is standing between me and Thee, please Lord forgive me. The human can never know what the origin of the problem is. In my experience as a dedicated student of personal change, I have had the chance to experiment, search and change within so much, until I realized that there is a point when one has to surrender. Because surrender is the finish of any true study.

      People become open books when you are open Presence. I am that I am is what GOD says to Moses in the holy walley of Tuwa. It?s interesting how GOD AllMighty has chosen prophets usually from what society disregards.

      However one who disregard becomes the most disregarded. Social norms are temporary truths which usually fail to understand the higher purpose of existence.

      Also Rebillot says ?If one doesn?t answer the call, one dies. Not physiologically per se, but existentially. And becomes another robot. ?

      How do you know your call It matches the truthfulness of your existence.

      It takes 9 months for a baby and it takes however it takes to get reborn. Patience.

      Quran And GOD is with the patient ones. The ability to trust is the ability to heal. Trust what brings the trust. The Trustworthy One. Creation is a mystery. And observation, responsibility. Welcome life, well come. Live from the Absolute, thru the Absolute, for the Absolute, and the relativity will take care of itself. Jesus ?Only the reborn can see GOD?.

      Balance. Balance is Relativity.

      Buddha is reported to have done a lot of experiments with not eating, to the extremes, so one day he was walking and saw a musician tuning his instrument. What he observed was, when the wire would be loose, it would not produce any tone at all, when it was tight, it would break. So he thought, aha, balance is the best. Nor too much, nor to little. And this works with everything. When you drink, when you eat?etc.

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        Letting the experience breathe is what Life is all about. Surrender is the breath of being and Life is the breath of change. In the Presence of GOD, Life becomes a dance. Retreat and hit! Playful energies swirling from nonexistence. Non-existence, the basics of existence.

        To be or not to be? That?s the question of Shakespeare.

        Being while not being, not being while being. Doing while not doing, not doing while doing. Having while not having, not having while having. That?s surrender. Once bee of inspiration, you?ll know how to find the nectar. In fact the nectar finds you.

        Recently in a vacation, the host where I was standing had a Bible on the shelf. My friend noticed it and took it and began to read. In the meanwhile the host entered the room and asked us What are you? Catholic or Muslims?

        • We are to GOD, the Lord of catholics and muslims, I replied. She was awed, and said, yes, One God has brought all scriptures.

        And this is the pure truth. Once you know where you belong, what seems separation will become oneness. To see the world as it is, you have to be who you are. And you are what brings you. And you are not your senses.

        The senses are the windows to observe the full moon. Let the moon reflect your light, and see yourself as another beam of Infinity. Such beauty of existence can be found only in the heart of the Lover. And love without beginning nor end, is true.

        That that is that. That no one can describe. Except the One. So let God talk about God. Because who else can? None. And those who don?t realize it, can talk about religion all day long. And that?s fine. Because it?s about human concepts.

        One day I heard a religious TV channel, and the moderator began with the words Let?s talk about the concept of GOD.

        However, without realizing that talking about the concept of GOD is talking about idolatery! At it?s highest form.

        Formless wisdom is true.

        The more one goes beyond concepts, the more silence approaches to the heart. And that?s the place to enjoy and taste the Divine bliss. No need to talk, no need for waves when you?re observing the droplet of the morning breeze.

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          Quran, 37 - He is the One who sent down to you the Scripture, from which there are governing verses; they are the essence of the Scripture; and others which are similar. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God and those who are well founded in knowledge, they Say ?We believe in it, all is from our Lord.? And none will remember except the people of understanding.

          True understanding resides beyond actual understanding. So let go what you think you know.

          Unknow to know, Unlearn to learn, Undo to do, purely. Extremism is a symptom of disbalance. So follow balance by all means. And the being is not a matter of thinking.

          It?s a matter of surrendering. Whoever you think you are, you?re not. Because being is beyond thinking. The world doesn?t nor cannot complete you. You complete the world. And complement it in accordance with your ability to respond.

          • Whatever is going on that this issue is raising up (inside or outside), Lord please forgive and purify the origin of it.

          This would be a Universal prayer. Love, let go, relate, let go, Love.

          Have patience in between. Relativity is to relate to it. Absolute is to be in it. Absolutely, relate to relativity at the best of your being. Many times religious representers have knocked in my door with their agenda Come to the true faith. Every religion is true in the own right. Otherwise people would have not belong to the certain group.

          However, a person solo comes into this world, solo goes from this world. And it?s much better to know how to let go the herd mentality and raise in the level of heavenly existence. Not easy of course.

          Here are some verses from Rumi ?My friends have become strangers, and I?m surrounded by enemies. But I am free as a wind. No more hurt by those who approach me.?

          Change requires change. Some people in life may stay where they have always been, and the worm becomes a butterfly. You can see where you were, but you can?t see what?s beyond. The fear of not knowing is fine, it?s part of growth. Breathe what brings your breath.

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            Love what brings your senses. Love the self of the self. Love your heart and say I love you with each beat. Let the waves of awareness carry you in the heights of existence. And let you be, in the likeness of the Lord of thee.

            The mind tells you what is yet to be forgiven. And when it?s forgiven, it remains silent. Anyone can fast from the food. But not everyone can fast from the own thoughts.

            The language of the body is the movement. Move to find the stillness, until there?s no difference between the two. Moving stillness, still movement. Love the heart of your heart. Love the Soul of your soul. Love the body of your body. The inner body. The shell of your pearl. Holy Torah, Genesis

            13 And God said 'Let there be light' And there was light.

            14 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

            In the genesis of thought, the light is separated from the darkness.

            From where your thoughts begin?

            • God please forgive the origin of my thoughts.

            Prayful silence is the essence.

            Return to genesis everything that comes from genesis. Thus you enter the loop of heaven. Heaven in the earth, is human in the Presence of GOD.

            Something can be manipulated. Nothing cannot. So by all means, be nothing.

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              After death, what the human takes from this world? ? Nothing. The soul returns to the Soul.
              Problems and challenges are to be addressed spiritually first. Once GOD, and Only GOD because no one else can, resolves the cause, the forms flow in the divine direction immediately.

              The Presence of GOD in the human is the natural, meant state of being.

              It?s the flow of life.

              So Praise be to the One that brings the flow.

              • Genesis, 111 And the whole earth was of one language and of one speech.
                No! would say an ignorant, the scripture has arrived in certain language, so that is the language of GOD, and no else.

              All languages are the languages of GOD. It doesn?t matter in which one you pray. It matters that you?re referring to beyond. When the light is in continuum from beyond to inside, you?re in bless. When is is not an not is is, you?re in bliss.

              Beyond and the centre are the same. And in between requires surrender to light. So the darkness disappears. And the senses are tuned to perfect pitch.

              Language is the vehicle of understanding. It is not the understanding. Understanding brings the language here to see. And when you are in light, whatever you look upon becomes light. Man understands with GOD, only.

              All the rest is delusional spinning.

              Differences are roads to sameness. Oneness.

              To arrive to that stage of being one has to sacrifice?.the own bullshit.

              The path of truth is walked barefoot, with no traces behind. All it takes is the wind of grace. And the faith that in the next step the unseen will take care of the seen. And it does. That?s what trust is all about. Trust in the unseen brings the right seen. Just let go and allow. Love.

              There is no Reality but GOD. Reality is behind relativity. Relativity is in dance when reality is in tune. Dance of the heart, play of the being. From stillness to movement. From movement to stillness. Quiet.

              Human ignorance is among GOD?s Miracles. And patience is seeing people not seeing and not trying to convince them.

              Do not trust the road, because it ends. Life is to be lived. Believe and be lived by what brings the Life. Praise be to GOD. The Patron of all lives.

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                Be lived by what you believe. Life, wealth and beauty beyond understanding.
                There is no separation between Reality and Relativity. Relativity stands in Reality.
                If you look deeper, you?ll find the core. The right pearl in the right shell. The right shell in the right sea.

                See the sea? ? Then you are with me, swimming in the waves of purity.
                Pure is the Lord of east and west. It?s funny how people get stuck on east or west. Do they forget that each day west becomes east?

                Move like the earth, and you?ll be full of grace.

                And do not forget the gravity. It is your friend. Let if flow freely in you. Move the body to keep the stillness.

                There is always something you can do to keep the Divine flow.

                What do I have to do to keep the Absolute flow?

                • This is the question that orients the being in the right direction.

                There was a man walking on a bridge. Each step he took transformed the past into unseen. And each step he was about to take led to another step which could be seen, and the next not.
                That man wouldn?t walk if he didn?t absolutely trust the unseen. The parts of the bridge wouldn?t appear to keep his foot firm.

                Absolute GOD is to be trusted absolutely. And most people fail in that. They require some kind of mediator. Anything between you and the light is a shadow.

                Love. Everything inside you. Love is healing. You and me. I am grateful.

                • God please forgive the spiritual causes of the physical symptoms.

                GOD is everywhere, but first seek Him in your heart. Then your eyes will see what couldn?t before.
                The eyesight can?t make you happy. You can make happy your eyesight.

                Rumi ?Form is the shadow, reality is the sun.?

                Be-Live in GOD. Everything else is a blockage.

                Awareness about self brings awareness about the world. When things are not going right, let go, surrender them, and invite GOD to heal the cause of that mismatch.

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                  Patience is the key of heaven.

                  Do not be afraid to dive in the problem. In the centre of the problem is the solution.
                  There is no truth but GOD. And human opinion is an attempt to find the truth. Surrender your opinions and the waterfall flows again.

                  It?s ALL GOD. The OmniPresent.

                  Take care, and give care. And remember that the Unseen Love brings the seen beauty.
                  Dwell in GOD until GOD dwells in you. And there is no separation between reality and relativity.
                  Relativity flows in the Presence of Reality.

                  Holy Gita, 252 - When your intelligence has passed out of the dense forest of delusion, you shall become indifferent to all that has been heard and all that is to be heard.

                  Dance in GOD and become His Presence. One color of the rainbow melts in the other, then the other, then the next?until the full spectrum is realized. Such is a realized soul. Full of beauty. Beautiful. May Relativity change based on Reality. Jung says religion is a defense against the experience of God. Mostly that is true.

                  Religious leaders, like mullahs, priests, rabbis and else, have the easiest and toughest job on the earth. The easiest, because all they have to do is remain silent and remember God, and read scriptures without contextualizing nor commenting. The hardest, because usually they can?t. That?s why instead of being a liberating act, most religious rituals end up being a session with another set of programming, another forest of delusions.

                  The thorn is not the meaning of the rose. Gates of hell are within. And the ability to respond and address them to the Creator of All that is, is all that is. But isn?t it true that a person is exactly where it belongs?

                  If the circumstance isn?t divine, immediately a liberating prayer would fit God, whatever I have in common with this besides Thee, please do forgive me. Heal me from the world, and heal the world from me. We are here to be free.

                  Jesus ?The truth shall set you free.? And the truth is what brings the truth. To me, religion is correct only when people are meditating on God. First get to the Being of the being

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                    and you?ll see the seeing of the seeing.

                    Ontologically speaking this is just like optics. Binoculars won?t work until you find the point of clarity. Every protocol, every religion has goodness in them. The mastery is to be able to discern it and discard the rest.

                    As Bruce Lee says Take what?s worth, trash what?s not. Bruce btw was one of the illuminated people. Style without a style, the art of fighting without fighting, happens only when one is merged in the Presence of GOD. Thus you become player and spectator at the same time.

                    Someone with the nickname Mr.Prophet in a spiritual community had said something profound
                    ?Religion is a human attempt to know God.? Whether does it happen or not, depends from beyond. And from the ability to respond.

                    Allowing God to connect the centre of inside with the Infinity of beyond, is the process of rebirthing. The centre teaches the earth to follow the Sun. Thus, go to the centre of any problem and teach it how to behave. Being dictates understanding. There is no east or west when you find the Divine nest.

                    Here are a few words in the Art of Looking Whatever it is you?re looking at, look thru it, reach beyond it, and from there allow the Presence to flow here. So the object of observation becomes an object of light. As if the object didn?t exist. And only Light of God remains. And it is so.

                    Let God reach you from all directions. Whatever happens, it?s fine. If you allow, it will flow. Flow is the nature of existence. And may you exist in peace beyond understanding. You can find God by the way you touch, you can find God by the way you hear, you can find God by the way you see. And above and beyond, you can find God by the way you are.

                    So be a bee and you?ll see. When you are with GOD, the whole Universe dances.

                    As Buddha said "I know what I have told them, but I don?t know what have they got."

                    The truth in religions can be found only by finding the common denominator between them. That?s the undistorted eternal truth.

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                      Don't believe in change, because it will change your belief. Believe in the changeless and let the change follow.

                      From the deepness of your heart to the surface of the earth. If you want to learn how to pray, look at the rainbow.

                      There was a king, who had 3 sons, and a precious ring on his finger. Before dying, he decided to melt his original ring and blend it with other false material so from that mix he could make 3 rings. And so he did. Without letting them know, he called his boys and gave them the rings. Thus each one thinking that got the original.

                      Now, what steps the sons have to take to restore the truly original ring?

                      • There is no god but God, is a frequent translation of a verse in Quran. This is the superficial one. - There is no Reality but God, the same verse in a deeper translation.

                      • Nothing exists but God, the deepest, honest and truest translation of the same verse.

                      Thus, each religion talks about nothing, void, the state of emptiness. Therefore the end is the same as the beginning, - The GOD.

                      The paths are different.

                      And emptiness, the source of bliss. It?s ALL God. The All-Mighty, The All-Knowing. Hence the beauty is in not knowing.

                      Why should you know how, when the One knows all? That?s why playback music fails, because it?s all predictable. Before putting the cd on, you know what?s going to follow. But the story of live music is different. Put up the instrument, you know what you?ll going to play, but you don?t know how you?re going to do it. And that is enabled the beauty of not knowing.

                      Before ending a new beginning, let me ask

                      If you were at the destination, what kind of journey would you take?

                      Praise be to GOD. The Lord of the worlds.

                      Nothing exists, except God.

                      Peace, Rinon Hoxha. August, 2010.

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                        Islam is not a religion

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                          That's right.

                          Islam is islam.

                          Religion is religion.

                          God is God.

                          Which one do you want?

                          R.

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                            Islam is not a religion

                            re?li?gion
                            noun

                            1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
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                              re?li?gion
                              noun

                              1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

                              The reason why Islam is not a religion.
                              Also a better definition A religion consists of a belief in a god or gods, and the activities that are connected with that belief such as prayer or worship or rites in the temple, church, synagogue, or mosque.

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                                That's right.

                                Islam is islam.

                                Religion is religion.

                                God is God.

                                Which one do you want?

                                R.

                                Islam is a Deen.
                                Allah ( Not God ) Is the transfinite overarching dichotomised conscious purity that manifests all creation instant by instant from the inside out
                                god is a man invented concept

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                                  Well, your favorite SOL site is promoting nothing more than a religion. Weather you like that or not. You can make up any definitions you like, change any meaning of English or Arabic words to fit a religion of your own making but it won't change what it is.

                                  And ablution and fasting and prayer are required rituals, even if you dont like the word because it doesnt fit the religion you want to create for yourself.

                                  "god is a man made concept" Brilliant! rotfl

                                  Unfortunately for you, God, the one you don't believe in and have reduced to little more than energy, teaches otherwise. You can't have a fully Cognizant, fully Sentinent, Most Wise Creator, who has declared a defined purpose for all of His creation and this existence, yet claim there is no God. It's totally contradictory and contrary to the teachings of the Quran.

                                  A Supremely Intelligent Design in the universe, from it's smallest facet to it's largest and as a whole, denotes a Supremely Intelligent Designer. Hence, God. He is who He says He is, in the Quran, not what you personally wish Him to be according to your religion.

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                                    Well, your favorite SOL site is promoting nothing more than a religion. Weather you like that or not. You can make up any definitions you like, change any meaning of English or Arabic words to fit a religion of your own making but it won't change what it is.

                                    And ablution and fasting and prayer are required rituals, even if you dont like the word because it doesnt fit the religion you want to create for yourself.

                                    "god is a man made concept" Brilliant! rotfl

                                    Unfortunately for you, God, the one you don't believe in and have reduced to little more than energy, teaches otherwise. You can't have a fully Cognizant, fully Sentinent, Most Wise Creator, who has declared a defined purpose for all of His creation and this existence, yet claim there is no God. It's totally contradictory and contrary to the teachings of the Quran.

                                    A Supremely Intelligent Design in the universe, from it's smallest facet to it's largest and as a whole, denotes a Supremely Intelligent Designer. Hence, God. He is who He says He is, in the Quran, not what you personally wish Him to be according to your religion.

                                    Keep proving how dumb you are

                                    What SOL promotes is the polar opposite of a religion. Anyone who disagrees with that is a retard.

                                    Allah doesn't have to be a god when Allah is higher than the inventions of man.

                                    Believe translations that are so obviously wrong, then dare laugh at others. That really helps

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                                      Such a well thought out retort! Full of wisdom and insight!

                                      Speaking of "thinking", you are aware that there cannot be a Thought or Idea without an owner? There is no such thing as a randomly generated thought or idea just floating out in space somewhere. It has to have an Owner, a Sentient and Cognizant generator of those thoughts. You cannot have Creation, nor Designed Creation without God being a Real Being, beyond our comprehension or vision, yet still Real and Existent and Cognizant and The Most Wise.

                                      So likewise, who spoke to Adam? To Moses, Abraham and Jesus? If there is no god, no real Being, who then was talking to them?

                                      Who dictated the Quran to Mohammed? Who is the Supremely Intelligent source besides God?

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                                        Idolatery is getting stuck in your own words.

                                        Either words your tools, either the cage of your soul.

                                        Use your mind to set yourself free from all the vocabulary.

                                        Peace,
                                        R.

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                                          Such a well thought out retort! Full of wisdom and insight!

                                          Speaking of "thinking", you are aware that there cannot be a Thought or Idea without an owner? There is no such thing as a randomly generated thought or idea just floating out in space somewhere. It has to have an Owner, a Sentient and Cognizant generator of those thoughts. You cannot have Creation, nor Designed Creation without God being a Real Being, beyond our comprehension or vision, yet still Real and Existent and Cognizant and The Most Wise.

                                          So likewise, who spoke to Adam? To Moses, Abraham and Jesus? If there is no god, no real Being, who then was talking to them?

                                          Who dictated the Quran to Mohammed? Who is the Supremely Intelligent source besides God?

                                          So how does Allah being something else than God means there is no real Being?

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