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Religions ? The roads to the same goal.

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    R_H_-Ustahi
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    and you?ll see the seeing of the seeing.

    Ontologically speaking this is just like optics. Binoculars won?t work until you find the point of clarity. Every protocol, every religion has goodness in them. The mastery is to be able to discern it and discard the rest.

    As Bruce Lee says Take what?s worth, trash what?s not. Bruce btw was one of the illuminated people. Style without a style, the art of fighting without fighting, happens only when one is merged in the Presence of GOD. Thus you become player and spectator at the same time.

    Someone with the nickname Mr.Prophet in a spiritual community had said something profound
    ?Religion is a human attempt to know God.? Whether does it happen or not, depends from beyond. And from the ability to respond.

    Allowing God to connect the centre of inside with the Infinity of beyond, is the process of rebirthing. The centre teaches the earth to follow the Sun. Thus, go to the centre of any problem and teach it how to behave. Being dictates understanding. There is no east or west when you find the Divine nest.

    Here are a few words in the Art of Looking Whatever it is you?re looking at, look thru it, reach beyond it, and from there allow the Presence to flow here. So the object of observation becomes an object of light. As if the object didn?t exist. And only Light of God remains. And it is so.

    Let God reach you from all directions. Whatever happens, it?s fine. If you allow, it will flow. Flow is the nature of existence. And may you exist in peace beyond understanding. You can find God by the way you touch, you can find God by the way you hear, you can find God by the way you see. And above and beyond, you can find God by the way you are.

    So be a bee and you?ll see. When you are with GOD, the whole Universe dances.

    As Buddha said "I know what I have told them, but I don?t know what have they got."

    The truth in religions can be found only by finding the common denominator between them. That?s the undistorted eternal truth.

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      R_H_-Ustahi
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      Don't believe in change, because it will change your belief. Believe in the changeless and let the change follow.

      From the deepness of your heart to the surface of the earth. If you want to learn how to pray, look at the rainbow.

      There was a king, who had 3 sons, and a precious ring on his finger. Before dying, he decided to melt his original ring and blend it with other false material so from that mix he could make 3 rings. And so he did. Without letting them know, he called his boys and gave them the rings. Thus each one thinking that got the original.

      Now, what steps the sons have to take to restore the truly original ring?

      • There is no god but God, is a frequent translation of a verse in Quran. This is the superficial one. - There is no Reality but God, the same verse in a deeper translation.

      • Nothing exists but God, the deepest, honest and truest translation of the same verse.

      Thus, each religion talks about nothing, void, the state of emptiness. Therefore the end is the same as the beginning, - The GOD.

      The paths are different.

      And emptiness, the source of bliss. It?s ALL God. The All-Mighty, The All-Knowing. Hence the beauty is in not knowing.

      Why should you know how, when the One knows all? That?s why playback music fails, because it?s all predictable. Before putting the cd on, you know what?s going to follow. But the story of live music is different. Put up the instrument, you know what you?ll going to play, but you don?t know how you?re going to do it. And that is enabled the beauty of not knowing.

      Before ending a new beginning, let me ask

      If you were at the destination, what kind of journey would you take?

      Praise be to GOD. The Lord of the worlds.

      Nothing exists, except God.

      Peace, Rinon Hoxha. August, 2010.

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        Kaiokenred
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        Islam is not a religion

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          R_H_-Ustahi
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          That's right.

          Islam is islam.

          Religion is religion.

          God is God.

          Which one do you want?

          R.

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            Mr_Q
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            Islam is not a religion

            re?li?gion
            noun

            1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
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              Kaiokenred
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              re?li?gion
              noun

              1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

              The reason why Islam is not a religion.
              Also a better definition A religion consists of a belief in a god or gods, and the activities that are connected with that belief such as prayer or worship or rites in the temple, church, synagogue, or mosque.

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                Kaiokenred
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                That's right.

                Islam is islam.

                Religion is religion.

                God is God.

                Which one do you want?

                R.

                Islam is a Deen.
                Allah ( Not God ) Is the transfinite overarching dichotomised conscious purity that manifests all creation instant by instant from the inside out
                god is a man invented concept

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                  Mr_Q
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                  Well, your favorite SOL site is promoting nothing more than a religion. Weather you like that or not. You can make up any definitions you like, change any meaning of English or Arabic words to fit a religion of your own making but it won't change what it is.

                  And ablution and fasting and prayer are required rituals, even if you dont like the word because it doesnt fit the religion you want to create for yourself.

                  "god is a man made concept" Brilliant! rotfl

                  Unfortunately for you, God, the one you don't believe in and have reduced to little more than energy, teaches otherwise. You can't have a fully Cognizant, fully Sentinent, Most Wise Creator, who has declared a defined purpose for all of His creation and this existence, yet claim there is no God. It's totally contradictory and contrary to the teachings of the Quran.

                  A Supremely Intelligent Design in the universe, from it's smallest facet to it's largest and as a whole, denotes a Supremely Intelligent Designer. Hence, God. He is who He says He is, in the Quran, not what you personally wish Him to be according to your religion.

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                    Well, your favorite SOL site is promoting nothing more than a religion. Weather you like that or not. You can make up any definitions you like, change any meaning of English or Arabic words to fit a religion of your own making but it won't change what it is.

                    And ablution and fasting and prayer are required rituals, even if you dont like the word because it doesnt fit the religion you want to create for yourself.

                    "god is a man made concept" Brilliant! rotfl

                    Unfortunately for you, God, the one you don't believe in and have reduced to little more than energy, teaches otherwise. You can't have a fully Cognizant, fully Sentinent, Most Wise Creator, who has declared a defined purpose for all of His creation and this existence, yet claim there is no God. It's totally contradictory and contrary to the teachings of the Quran.

                    A Supremely Intelligent Design in the universe, from it's smallest facet to it's largest and as a whole, denotes a Supremely Intelligent Designer. Hence, God. He is who He says He is, in the Quran, not what you personally wish Him to be according to your religion.

                    Keep proving how dumb you are

                    What SOL promotes is the polar opposite of a religion. Anyone who disagrees with that is a retard.

                    Allah doesn't have to be a god when Allah is higher than the inventions of man.

                    Believe translations that are so obviously wrong, then dare laugh at others. That really helps

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                      Such a well thought out retort! Full of wisdom and insight!

                      Speaking of "thinking", you are aware that there cannot be a Thought or Idea without an owner? There is no such thing as a randomly generated thought or idea just floating out in space somewhere. It has to have an Owner, a Sentient and Cognizant generator of those thoughts. You cannot have Creation, nor Designed Creation without God being a Real Being, beyond our comprehension or vision, yet still Real and Existent and Cognizant and The Most Wise.

                      So likewise, who spoke to Adam? To Moses, Abraham and Jesus? If there is no god, no real Being, who then was talking to them?

                      Who dictated the Quran to Mohammed? Who is the Supremely Intelligent source besides God?

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                        R_H_-Ustahi
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                        Idolatery is getting stuck in your own words.

                        Either words your tools, either the cage of your soul.

                        Use your mind to set yourself free from all the vocabulary.

                        Peace,
                        R.

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                          Kaiokenred
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                          Such a well thought out retort! Full of wisdom and insight!

                          Speaking of "thinking", you are aware that there cannot be a Thought or Idea without an owner? There is no such thing as a randomly generated thought or idea just floating out in space somewhere. It has to have an Owner, a Sentient and Cognizant generator of those thoughts. You cannot have Creation, nor Designed Creation without God being a Real Being, beyond our comprehension or vision, yet still Real and Existent and Cognizant and The Most Wise.

                          So likewise, who spoke to Adam? To Moses, Abraham and Jesus? If there is no god, no real Being, who then was talking to them?

                          Who dictated the Quran to Mohammed? Who is the Supremely Intelligent source besides God?

                          So how does Allah being something else than God means there is no real Being?

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                            Idolatery is getting stuck in your own words.

                            Either words your tools, either the cage of your soul.

                            Use your mind to set yourself free from all the vocabulary.

                            Peace,
                            R.

                            Who are you telling that to?

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                              R_H_-Ustahi
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                              Who are you telling that to?

                              To the one who seeks the truth, and doesn't know what truth is.

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                                Kaiokenred
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                                To the one who seeks the truth, and doesn't know what truth is.

                                And who is that?

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                                  R_H_-Ustahi
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                                  And who is that?

                                  The one who keeps asking

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                                    Kaiokenred
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                                    The one who keeps asking

                                    But that doesn't make sense because I already know the truth so that is a contradiction on your side

                                    So you called me an idolater, that's so wrong in many levels. You're the one who believes in an idol here.

                                    I believe in Allah, the transfinite overarching dichotomised conscious purity that manifests all creation instant by instant from the inside-out. I disassociate him with man made concepts, so there's not a single bit of idolatry here.

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                                      R_H_-Ustahi
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                                      The fact that you are stuck only in one way of calling God, confirms my observation.

                                      Whether you call God, Allah, YHWH, it's all ok, as long as you know that you are talking about the Infinite Beyond Perceptually Intelligence.

                                      Surrender is the test of truthfulness.

                                      Can you let go all your arguments and see what happens?

                                      All of them, one by one.

                                      And notice, what happens with you when you do that.

                                      Concept is a thought form. Belief in a concept makes it an idol.

                                      That's why ideologies all fail, one by one.

                                      Most idolaters won't let go a single concept they believe in, yet declare the belief in God.

                                      If you do really believe in God, then why don't you surrender your cup for the ocean?

                                      Concepts are toys to play with.

                                      And the reality of the delluded.

                                      And most are idolaters, and most are heavily delluded.

                                      Peace be upon you, I am finished with this thread.

                                      R.

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                                        The fact that you are stuck only in one way of calling God, confirms my observation.

                                        Whether you call God, Allah, YHWH, it's all ok, as long as you know that you are talking about the Infinite Beyond Perceptually Intelligence.

                                        Surrender is the test of truthfulness.

                                        Can you let go all your arguments and see what happens?

                                        All of them, one by one.

                                        And notice, what happens with you when you do that.

                                        Concept is a thought form. Belief in a concept makes it an idol.

                                        That's why ideologies all fail, one by one.

                                        Most idolaters won't let go a single concept they believe in, yet declare the belief in God.

                                        If you do really believe in God, then why don't you surrender your cup for the ocean?

                                        Concepts are toys to play with.

                                        And the reality of the delluded.

                                        And most are idolaters, and most are heavily delluded.

                                        Peace be upon you, I am finished with this thread.

                                        R.

                                        You are an idolater, and you are heavily deluded.

                                        Belief in a concept? Are you kidding me? God is a concept too, and I don't believe in god, I believe in Allah, who is not a god. You're the one who's an idolater for making Allah an idol when Allah is not an idol. What I call Allah is simply what I believe him to be because it makes sense, how does that make me an idolater? You retarded or something?

                                        Why would I surrender about anything? These are my firm beliefs established through reason I'm not gonna believe the same as you just because you say so

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                                          nurmuhammed
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                                          elektro
                                          We do not need to believe anymore, we need to know.

                                          The belief was needed many years ago.... Now all prophets are done, it is like THE MISSION IS COMPLETE!!

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