Religions ? The roads to the same goal.
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Such a well thought out retort! Full of wisdom and insight!
Speaking of "thinking", you are aware that there cannot be a Thought or Idea without an owner? There is no such thing as a randomly generated thought or idea just floating out in space somewhere. It has to have an Owner, a Sentient and Cognizant generator of those thoughts. You cannot have Creation, nor Designed Creation without God being a Real Being, beyond our comprehension or vision, yet still Real and Existent and Cognizant and The Most Wise.
So likewise, who spoke to Adam? To Moses, Abraham and Jesus? If there is no god, no real Being, who then was talking to them?
Who dictated the Quran to Mohammed? Who is the Supremely Intelligent source besides God?
So how does Allah being something else than God means there is no real Being?
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Idolatery is getting stuck in your own words.
Either words your tools, either the cage of your soul.
Use your mind to set yourself free from all the vocabulary.
Peace,
R.Who are you telling that to?
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Who are you telling that to?
To the one who seeks the truth, and doesn't know what truth is.
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To the one who seeks the truth, and doesn't know what truth is.
And who is that?
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And who is that?
The one who keeps asking
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The one who keeps asking
But that doesn't make sense because I already know the truth so that is a contradiction on your side
So you called me an idolater, that's so wrong in many levels. You're the one who believes in an idol here.
I believe in Allah, the transfinite overarching dichotomised conscious purity that manifests all creation instant by instant from the inside-out. I disassociate him with man made concepts, so there's not a single bit of idolatry here.
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The fact that you are stuck only in one way of calling God, confirms my observation.
Whether you call God, Allah, YHWH, it's all ok, as long as you know that you are talking about the Infinite Beyond Perceptually Intelligence.
Surrender is the test of truthfulness.
Can you let go all your arguments and see what happens?
All of them, one by one.
And notice, what happens with you when you do that.
Concept is a thought form. Belief in a concept makes it an idol.
That's why ideologies all fail, one by one.
Most idolaters won't let go a single concept they believe in, yet declare the belief in God.
If you do really believe in God, then why don't you surrender your cup for the ocean?
Concepts are toys to play with.
And the reality of the delluded.
And most are idolaters, and most are heavily delluded.
Peace be upon you, I am finished with this thread.
R.
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The fact that you are stuck only in one way of calling God, confirms my observation.
Whether you call God, Allah, YHWH, it's all ok, as long as you know that you are talking about the Infinite Beyond Perceptually Intelligence.
Surrender is the test of truthfulness.
Can you let go all your arguments and see what happens?
All of them, one by one.
And notice, what happens with you when you do that.
Concept is a thought form. Belief in a concept makes it an idol.
That's why ideologies all fail, one by one.
Most idolaters won't let go a single concept they believe in, yet declare the belief in God.
If you do really believe in God, then why don't you surrender your cup for the ocean?
Concepts are toys to play with.
And the reality of the delluded.
And most are idolaters, and most are heavily delluded.
Peace be upon you, I am finished with this thread.
R.
You are an idolater, and you are heavily deluded.
Belief in a concept? Are you kidding me? God is a concept too, and I don't believe in god, I believe in Allah, who is not a god. You're the one who's an idolater for making Allah an idol when Allah is not an idol. What I call Allah is simply what I believe him to be because it makes sense, how does that make me an idolater? You retarded or something?
Why would I surrender about anything? These are my firm beliefs established through reason I'm not gonna believe the same as you just because you say so
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elektro
We do not need to believe anymore, we need to know.The belief was needed many years ago.... Now all prophets are done, it is like THE MISSION IS COMPLETE!!
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Thank you R.H.-Ustahi for the rest of your beautiful texts and the rest of your master thesis on Comparative Religion! sun
It is so important for me, and one of the most beautiful things I ever read lately! bravo
I am just sorry for not being able to send you a private message because the service is not functioning.
I wish to contact you and hope to be able to do so, as soon as the inbox are updated.Thank you once more, and God bless you !!!
peace
PS
I sent some of your text to my brother who is a painter and he was also overwhelmed.
We both consider Rumi as our Master and only Teacher.
I wish I could find a Real Sufi Sheikh who is not part of any sect or church or factory... -
elektro
We do not need to believe anymore, we need to know.The belief was needed many years ago.... Now all prophets are done, it is like THE MISSION IS COMPLETE!!
"Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."
It is related
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"Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."
It is related
yeah
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I think that God wants us to KNOW Him, and not only to believe in him, so I agree with you nurmuhammed!
In the whole Torah the belief in God is mentioned only twice!, all the rest is always an invitation to KNOW HIM!!!, and talking about knowing God, and He says "Know that I am your God"!!! (He didn't say believe that I am your God)
"I will take you to be my people, and I will be your God, and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who has brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians."
(Exodus 67)-not to mention Psalms... (or the Commandments, which did NOT change, and never got abrogated by the Quran!)
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and, I would add... to LOVE God, love Him, love...
to know and to love are synonyms which is almost the same, as is described in Genesis when Adom knew his wife (made love), or like David and Jonathan etc etc -
Greetings and Peace, all group
elektro
We do not need to believe anymore, we need to know.The belief was needed many years ago.... Now all prophets are done, it is like THE MISSION IS COMPLETE!!
Sort of agreed...
4914 The Nomads said "We believe." Say "You have not believed; but you should say "We have submitted", for belief has not yet entered into your hearts." If you obey GOD and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Sort of agreed...
4914 The Nomads said "We believe." Say "You have not believed; but you should say "We have submitted", for belief has not yet entered into your hearts." If you obey GOD and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
The verse implies belief > submission doesn't it?
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Greetings and Peace, all group
The verse implies belief > submission doesn't it?
Belief may be more advanced than submission. Is it possible to believe without submitting? AQ 4914 implies that belief should be build upon submission. Another way of thinking about it is that belief is NOT required for a positive outcome on JD (submission may suffice, ISA).
Belief is not a "free pass" into paradise, either.
390 Those who have rejected after their belief, then increased in rejection, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.
3100 O you who believe, if you obey a group of those who received the Book they will turn you after your belief into rejecters!
3177 Those who have purchased rejection with belief will not harm GOD in the least, and they will have a painful retribution.
Back to the original topic
There are many religions, but there is only one ALLAH. Would it be better for a monotheist to embrace any religion other than Islam, or to "embrace" atheism or agnosticism? hmm
A religion is good if it helps a person to embrace monotheism and do good works. Other than that, monotheism without religion suffices. More religion is a "larger net" to "catch more fish".
3022 And from His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your tongues and your colors. In that are signs for the world.
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in GOD and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
One of the more beautiful examples that I've read is that faith is like a sail. A sail without wind will not move anything; the sail is dependent upon wind. If faith is like a sail, ALLAH is the provider of the wind for the sail. Our faith/belief/prayers/rituals/etc do not compel/obligate ALLAH; we are fully dependent on the goodwill of ALLAH whether we recognize it or not.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Belief may be more advanced than submission. Is it possible to believe without submitting? AQ 4914 implies that belief should be build upon submission. Another way of thinking about it is that belief is NOT required for a positive outcome on JD (submission may suffice, ISA).
Belief is not a "free pass" into paradise, either.
390 Those who have rejected after their belief, then increased in rejection, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.
3100 O you who believe, if you obey a group of those who received the Book they will turn you after your belief into rejecters!
3177 Those who have purchased rejection with belief will not harm GOD in the least, and they will have a painful retribution.
Back to the original topic
There are many religions, but there is only one ALLAH. Would it be better for a monotheist to embrace any religion other than Islam, or to "embrace" atheism or agnosticism? hmm
A religion is good if it helps a person to embrace monotheism and do good works. Other than that, monotheism without religion suffices. More religion is a "larger net" to "catch more fish".
3022 And from His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your tongues and your colors. In that are signs for the world.
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in GOD and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
One of the more beautiful examples that I've read is that faith is like a sail. A sail without wind will not move anything; the sail is dependent upon wind. If faith is like a sail, ALLAH is the provider of the wind for the sail. Our faith/belief/prayers/rituals/etc do not compel/obligate ALLAH; we are fully dependent on the goodwill of ALLAH whether we recognize it or not.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Faith, prayers and rituals are not Islamic. From those only belief is.
And the true Islam imo is the polar opposite of a religion, it's a Deen, a perfect system of life. -
Greetings and Peace, all group
Faith, prayers and rituals are not Islamic. From those only belief is.
And the true Islam imo is the polar opposite of a religion, it's a Deen, a perfect system of life.What do you mean by "Islamic?" I agree that islam (little i) is a Deen. However, anything that assists a person in this Deen is allowed (unless the assistance is expressly forbidden)--but the assistance is not binding/compulsory.
16116 And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about GOD. Those who invent lies about GOD will not succeed.
Even if prayers are not required, neither are they forbidden. It is best left to the individual to comply with their best understanding.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Prayers are basically idol worshipping. Not only the act is a worship, you're praying to an idol ( a god, something Allah is not, Allah is higher than that ) but you're also believing the inventions of men so I don't see why it's not prohibited for a Muslim, no, rather, a Muslim wouldn't do it because a Muslim would know the truth
And why did you quote that verse? I'm not the one saying lies here
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Actually maybe it should be you who should actually quote the Quran for anything you promote, from your lofty description of God to what you say above.
And no, cutting and pasting opinions of others does not constitute quoting the Quran.
Also, apparently, all those prophets, messengers and people whom God calls Honorable and Righteous in the Quran all prayed and God even recorded their prayers for us to read, yet they are all fools and idolators and "muslims" who didn't know the truth about praying or who God was, according to you.
Brilliant.