Pork
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It is generally agreed upon and understood that the 'prohibition' of pork is due to its uncleaness and to the fact that it is somewhat bad for our health.
I ask If this is the reason, then why is the Qu'ran silent on the many other unhealthy foods ?
Salaam and thank you.
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It is generally agreed upon and understood that the 'prohibition' of pork is due to its uncleaness and to the fact that it is somewhat bad for our health.
I ask If this is the reason, then why is the Qu'ran silent on the many other unhealthy foods ?
Salaam and thank you.
Good question. We do not know why the Koran prohibited pork.
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Good question. We do not know why the Koran prohibited pork.
Would it be possible that 54 provides us with a hint of the possible solution/explanation ? The first part says
Clearly, and based on this verse (we assume it is speaking of food because of the previous one), all of the "good and pure" foods to us are "lawful" (for the lack of a better term). Thus, if Allah is "forbidding" us from eating a certain food, then it must be because it is not "good and pure". We know that pork is not "good and pure" and Allah is clear in the Qu'ran that we should not eat from it. Allah also advises us to use our intellect and discernment, hence my real question
Why do people who claim to be "muslims" and "believers of the Qu'ran" insist on the "prohibition" of the pork alone and not take the verse as a concept, "prohibiting" us from EVERYTHING that is not "good and pure" ?
Thank you.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Would it be possible that 54 provides us with a hint of the possible solution/explanation ? The first part says
Clearly, and based on this verse (we assume it is speaking of food because of the previous one), all of the "good and pure" foods to us are "lawful" (for the lack of a better term). Thus, if Allah is "forbidding" us from eating a certain food, then it must be because it is not "good and pure". We know that pork is not "good and pure" and Allah is clear in the Qu'ran that we should not eat from it. Allah also advises us to use our intellect and discernment, hence my real question
Why do people who claim to be "muslims" and "believers of the Qu'ran" insist on the "prohibition" of the pork alone and not take the verse as a conceptual model, "prohibiting" us from EVERYTHING that is not "good and pure" ?
Thank you.
Any known substance is dangerous/poisonous/not good in proper amounts. Air, water, food...pure or not, can be seen as good or bad...or even some combination thereof. The same fire that can warm us and provide utility can also burn us or cause destruction. Too much water can kill us, and too little water can kill us. In general terms, extremes are bad. Prohibition of an item is extreme except for what ALLAH has communicated to us--ALLAH has the knowledge and the right to do whatever ALLAH wants.
Other reasons to not prohibit foods that appear to be "not good and pure?"
2173 He has only made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than GOD. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then there is no sin upon him. GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.
587 O you who believe, do not make unlawful the good things that GOD has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; GOD does not love the aggressors.
588 And eat from what GOD has provided for you, good and lawful; and be aware of GOD in whom you believe.
732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that GOD has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.
1059 Say "Have you seen what GOD has sent down to you from provisions, then you have made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did GOD authorize you, or do you invent lies about GOD?"
6114 "Shall I seek other than GOD as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
In other words, prohibiting additional foods is not lawful for a believer. That doesn't mean that a believer has to eat what they see as bad or distasteful.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Any known substance is dangerous/poisonous/not good in proper amounts. Air, water, food...pure or not, can be seen as good or bad...or even some combination thereof. The same fire that can warm us and provide utility can also burn us or cause destruction. Too much water can kill us, and too little water can kill us. In general terms, extremes are bad. Prohibition of an item is extreme except for what ALLAH has communicated to us--ALLAH has the knowledge and the right to do whatever ALLAH wants.
This is not the point. brickwall
Other reasons to not prohibit foods that appear to be "not good and pure?"
2173 He has only made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than GOD. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then there is no sin upon him. GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.
587 O you who believe, do not make unlawful the good things that GOD has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; GOD does not love the aggressors.
588 And eat from what GOD has provided for you, good and lawful; and be aware of GOD in whom you believe.
732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that GOD has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.
1059 Say "Have you seen what GOD has sent down to you from provisions, then you have made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did GOD authorize you, or do you invent lies about GOD?"
6114 "Shall I seek other than GOD as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
In other words, prohibiting additional foods is not lawful for a believer. That doesn't mean that a believer has to eat what they see as bad or distasteful.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Forget it.. Maybe someone less stubborn / more comprehensive / fully awake will contribute an interesting and on-subject comment/suggestion/refutation/explanation on what I said.
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Just a thought for the Muslims on the pork thing, as a Jew- we do not question why God gave the kosher laws. God never really says why in the Bible, we just accept them or don't. It's viewed to be an obedience thing or a spiritual discipline.
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Just a thought for the Muslims on the pork thing, as a Jew- we do not question why God gave the kosher laws. God never really says why in the Bible, we just accept them or don't. It's viewed to be an obedience thing or a spiritual discipline.
Does deuteronomy 175 also fall in the category of blind-acceptance and non-questioning 'obedience' and 'spiritual discipline' ?
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A lot of that stuff was for that society you know, plus a lot of these laws were hard to carry out, cause they require so many witnesses and such a specific nature of witness.
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Lordfox well many of the Rabbis believe that to be about Pagan sex rites or something as that whole section of Leviticus is clarified by "after the manner of the Egyptians you will not do, and after the manner of the Canaanites you will not do."
Its more about obscure sex rites then homosexual love.
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Salaam,
My understanding of Qur'aanic dietary rule is that, the food must be both halaal and clean/pure. Just because a certain food is not classifies as haraam, it does not always mean it is okay to consume it. We need to ensure that the food is clean/pure. Then again, the definition of "clean" or "pure" will be different with different individuals. Ultimately, I believe that we should exercise our judgement to determine is the food we consume is clean/pure or not. For example, I hold the opinion that chemical-loaded food is not clean/pure, hence it is best to avoid. So preserved beef, while halaal in nature, may not be clean/pure because it contains a lot of chemicals that are damaging to one's health. Hence, I believe such food should not be consumed.
Coming back to the original question
I ask If this is the reason, then why is the Qu'ran silent on the many other unhealthy foods ?
I believe the Qur'aan has already commanded us to not consume unhealthy foods, by stating that we should eat good and pure things. The list of unhealthy foods is endless, and it will be tedious to mention each healthy food.
Pigs, I believe areunclean. Yet, many people see them as livestocks, and do not hesitate to eat them. Hence why I believe it is the one animal that is singled out in the Qur'aan.
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Does deuteronomy 175 also fall in the category of blind-acceptance and non-questioning 'obedience' and 'spiritual discipline' ?
Its actully submission; i.e. aligning yourself with the views of our Creator; if God says not to go near that tree, or not to eat pork we, as his servants should be grateful for the rest of the blessings bestowed on us, and not insist on finding out why one thing is singled out as prohibitted.
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Salaam,
My understanding of Qur'aanic dietary rule is that, the food must be both halaal and clean/pure. Just because a certain food is not classifies as haraam, it does not always mean it is okay to consume it. We need to ensure that the food is clean/pure. Then again, the definition of "clean" or "pure" will be different with different individuals. Ultimately, I believe that we should exercise our judgement to determine is the food we consume is clean/pure or not. For example, I hold the opinion that chemical-loaded food is not clean/pure, hence it is best to avoid. So preserved beef, while halaal in nature, may not be clean/pure because it contains a lot of chemicals that are damaging to one's health. Hence, I believe such food should not be consumed.
Coming back to the original question
I believe the Qur'aan has already commanded us to not consume unhealthy foods, by stating that we should eat good and pure things. The list of unhealthy foods is endless, and it will be tedious to mention each healthy food.
Pigs, I believe areunclean. Yet, many people see them as livestocks, and do not hesitate to eat them. Hence why I believe it is the one animal that is singled out in the Qur'aan.
This is EXACTLY what I am saying.
1 - Allah clearly says we are "allowed" to eat all of the foods which are "good and pure" (Hence establishes the only reason why a certain food would be not "allowed" - that is, because it is not "good and pure"
2 - Allah says that one is not "allowed" to eat Pork
3 - We know that Pork is not "good and pure"
4 - Allah does not speak of the rest of the foods which are not "good and pure" in the Qu'ran because there are tons of it
5 - Hence, the verse "prohibiting" the consumption of Pork is a conceptual verse and includes not only "Pork" but all of the foods which are not "good and pure"Its actully submission; i.e. aligning yourself with the views of our Creator; if God says not to go near that tree, or not to eat pork we, as his servants should be grateful for the rest of the blessings bestowed on us, and not insist on finding out why one thing is singled out as prohibitted.
SalaamWhile you have faith, I personally am trying to attain certainty by understanding each and every concept, prohibition, allowance etc. within the Qu'ran.
Salaam
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While you have faith, I personally am trying to attain certainty by understanding each and every concept, prohibition, allowance etc. within the Qu'ran.
Salaam
Yes it is about having faith in God's judgement, but that does not mean we are not to do our research. I for one know from studies that amino acid in pigs are very similar to those of the human being. Pigs meat even tastes similar to human meat, according to those who have tried both. Could this be the reason for prohibition? I don't know.
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Its actully submission; i.e. aligning yourself with the views of our Creator; if God says not to go near that tree, or not to eat pork we, as his servants should be grateful for the rest of the blessings bestowed on us, and not insist on finding out why one thing is singled out as prohibitted.
SalaamUltimately, I think this is the correct answer. We can discuss our personal thoughts on why swine's flesh might be forbidden for believers, but we can't actually probe God's intentions behind these verses, so any discussion on the subject will necessarily be speculative. Thus it seems more reasonable to simply surrender to the unknowability of the issue and submit to God's expressed will regardless.
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God Almighty is the most wise, the Knowledgable.
God Almighty is the BEST planner, thus he would not play diceGod Almighty has put diet regulation on the children of Israel before us in order that they may be "holy/pure".... and if you look into their dietary regulation,
Just an example not to eat of fish without scales = fish without scales are more inclined to absorb more toxins into their fleshUnto use, the meat of pigs are prohibited... pigs eat their feces, their own kind (canabilistic) etc....
they might carry worms, parasites etc and that can wind up into their flesh... Is this not a reason not to abstain? The meat of pigs is deemed impure (6145)For the Prohibition of the Meat of Pigs, notice it is the MEAT of pigs and NOT the fat or the bones etc. One can logically eat the fat of pigs (lard), etc. Notice that the Prohibition on the Jews in 6146 is the FAT of some animals except in certain parts of their bodies. However, MEAT is not prohibited.
The fat of pigs is not mentioned as forbidden.
In 6146, we see that the jews had a seemingly opposite dietary prohibition. They are not allowed to eat the FAT of certain animals which is found in certain parts of their bodies.
HOWEVER, no mention is made of the MEAT of those animals, thus they can eat the meat of such animals.The opposite would be true for us, we are prohibited from eating the MEAT of pigs, but not the fat.
Moreover, we are not prohibited from using pig meat or pig fat, as they maybe found in cleaning products and cosmetics etc. (i think the traditional view is that these products are forbidden)
(the controversy might be about the skin absorbing these products)
I would say that the fat of pigs could be used, since technically we are allowed to consume the fat of pigs, and i just research about amino acids and found that the skin is NOT able to absorbe them (however, please check with creams/lotions/topicals/cosmetics if they have swine-derived amino acids, and especially with make-up as mascara. Putting these products on an open wound or cut might bring in Swine Amino acids into your body)"I researched skin absorbtion and my opinion is that amino acids like lysine or glycine cannot be abosorbed from the skin. I am not sure about Vitamin C. The reason why amino acids cannot be absorbed through the skin because the major route of transepidermal absorption is through intercellular lipids (this material consists of ceramides, long chan FFA and cholesterol). The corneocytes or outer skin cells contain amino acids and proteins inside the cell protected by a lipid membrane. Amino acids are hydrophilic and therefore do not dissolve in lipid or fat and hence cannot pass either the corneocyte cell membrane or the intercellular lipid pathway."
Read more Can human skin absorb amino acids like lysine or glysine or - JustAnswer http//www.justanswer.com/dermatology/4yrbm-human-skin-absorb-amino-acids-lysine-glysine.html#ixzz1sKFkZzb8