Suaib times
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Retarded purpose.
I remember Allah a lot and have never prayed.
Such eloquent wisdom. I guess you have never repented and asked for forgiveness from God for your transgressions? Because that is a form of prayer too. Never asked for guidance from Him? Never asked for help from Him? Those are prayers too.
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Such eloquent wisdom. I guess you have never repented and asked for forgiveness from God for your transgressions? Because that is a form of prayer too. Never asked for guidance from Him? Never asked for help from Him? Those are prayers too.
Nope, they're not.
And I have told you many times, stop annoying me.
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http//aididsafar.com/translation.html >
2238 Guard over all the commitments and commit yourself moderately and be upright for God - in obedience.
2239 If you are skepticism thus - take a walk or take a ride. Consequently, when you are settled hence remember God the way He teaches you - whatever you do not know.reformist translation >
2238 Preserve the contact prayers,and the middle contact prayer,and stand devoutly for God.
2239 But if you are in a state of worry,then you may do so while walking or riding.
If you become secure,then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.what do you think about it Youssef?
Aided safar comes and tells us that worshiping is not really right.... after thousands of years of people worshiping God, across multiple scripture!
I have asked for guidance and this is what God Almighty guided to; To worship.
What will people do during Resurrection day? is it not feasible to say people will be humble and be servile towards God Almighty ?
Is worshiping God wrong? is taking around 20 min focusing on contacting God 3 times a day and showing some devotion to God Almighty wrong? -
Nope, they're not.
And I have told you many times, stop annoying me.
Go reply religious bs to someone elseMore eloquent wisdom.
So when you repent and ask for forgiveness or for help from God, what is it then if it is not a form of prayer? Who are you calling on and why is it recommended in the Quran? Why does God tell us about prophets, messengers and the righteous doing such things that He deems good/beneficial/required for us?
Surely you are not to arrogant to bow down, prostrate and ask God for forgiveness and for help are you?
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More eloquent wisdom.
So when you repent and ask for forgiveness or for help from God, what is it then if it is not a form of prayer? Who are you calling on and why is it recommended in the Quran? Why does God tell us about prophets, messengers and the righteous doing such things that He deems good/beneficial/required for us?
Surely you are not to arrogant to bow down, prostrate and ask God for forgiveness and for help are you?
No, I leave those things to fools like you who possess no reason whatsoever.
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wow,
should we not unit? we're the minority here.
A house divided against itself WILL NOT STAND! (mathiew 1225)
what happened to retaliate evil with good and say what is better?
THE DEVIL TRIES TO PUT ANIMOSITY AND HATRED BETWEEN US!!! (1753)The devil would probably laugh at us.
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wow,
should we not unit? we're the minority here.
A house divided against itself WILL NOT STAND! (mathiew 1225)
what happened to retaliate evil with good and say what is better?
THE DEVIL TRIES TO PUT ANIMOSITY AND HATRED BETWEEN US!!! (1753)The devil would probably laugh at us.
Pray that God would unit us and support us!I don't believe that Allah is a god nor do I believe that prayers work, sorry
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Kaioken,
How would one, according to your understanding, approach second part of verse 15?
What does it mean and how does one do it?
I'm just curious to see it from your point of view.Iyaaka nastaeen
only you we ask for helpPrayer is a ritual, asking Allah for help within yourself is not prayer nor anything close to a ritual.
Also please don't ask me with such translations again, I only accept translations by Abdun Nur and sometimes Aidid Safar, as those seem most close to what my common sense can agree with
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Asking God withing yourself. what do you call that?
asking? beseeching? invoking?
Some people might see that as Prayer. What's the definition of prayer -
Asking God withing yourself. what do you call that?
asking? beseeching? invoking?
Some people might see that as Prayer. What's the definition of prayerNot God!
And yes the translations are bad so I won't trust them.Prayer is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with a deity or object of worship through deliberate communication. Prayer can be a form of religious practice, may be either individual or communal and take place in public or in private. It may involve the use of words or song. When language is used, prayer may take the form of a hymn, incantation, formal creed, or a spontaneous utterance in the praying person. There are different forms of prayer such as petitionary prayer, prayers of supplication, thanksgiving, and worship/praise. Prayer may be directed towards a deity, spirit, deceased person, or lofty idea, for the purpose of worshipping, requesting guidance, requesting assistance, confessing sins or to express one's thoughts and emotions. Thus, people pray for many reasons such as personal benefit or for the sake of others.
Most major religions involve prayer in one way or another. Some ritualize the act of prayer, requiring a strict sequence of actions or placing a restriction on who is permitted to pray, while others teach that prayer may be practiced spontaneously by anyone at any time.
Scientific studies regarding the use of prayer have mostly concentrated on its effect on the healing of sick or injured people. The efficacy of petition in prayer for physical healing to a deity has been evaluated in numerous studies, with contradictory results. There has been some criticism of the way the studies were conducted.Don't mind what I said on the previous post, I don't know how to express it well so I'm misunderstood
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Ok, so do I understand it correctly that you agree that one rightly can ask Allah for help within oneself?
Do you use any specific word for this "asking within"... so that we can speak the same language, and since you do not accept the english word 'pray' even when it is used for 'asking within' and not for anything ritualistic.
is not a translation. And 'iyaaka nastaeen' is the transliteration. And Aidid Safar translates it as 'only you we ask for help'. If you know where I can find Abdunur's translation of the quran... please let me know coz I haven't found it on the SOL website.
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Ok, so do I understand it correctly that you agree that one rightly can ask Allah for help within oneself?
Do you use any specific word for this "asking within"... so that we can speak the same language, and since you do not accept the english word 'pray' even when it is used for 'asking within' and not for anything ritualistic.
is not a translation. And 'iyaaka nastaeen' is the transliteration. And Aidid Safar translates it as 'only you we ask for help'. If you know where I can find Abdunur's translation of the quran... please let me know coz I haven't found it on the SOL website.
I said to disregard my previous posts, I used the wrong words because I couldn't really find the right ones and still can't. Don't know how to express it
Abdun Nur's quran is faaaar from being fully translated
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Sorry, I didn't see that post before I posted my message
No need to apologize at all sun
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Thanks for the link to SOL quran pages. I quickly checked Abdunur's interpretation of surah fatiha... and unless one has done some deeeeeep study of arabic... it would be blind faith to just follow his translation. We are afterall told in the quran to not uphold anything that we have not verified ourselves... so I'm telling you... Abdunur's stuff is not verified in just a jiffy... it will take some serious research. So be careful... if you don't know arabic, and even if it makes sense to you... relying of Abdunur's translation, without verifying it.... is blind faith.
Note that I'm not saying Abdunur is wrong.... but I won't uphold it until verified and it makes sense through logical analysis in the light of the rest of the quran and its language.
Also please don't ask me with such translations again, I only accept translations by Abdun Nur and sometimes Aidid Safar, as those seem most close to what my common sense can agree with
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Thanks for the link to SOL quran pages. I quickly checked Abdunur's interpretation of surah fatiha... and unless one has done some deeeeeep study of arabic... it would be blind faith to just follow his translation. We are afterall told in the quran to not uphold anything that we have not verified ourselves... so I'm telling you... Abdunur's stuff is not verified in just a jiffy... it will take some serious research. So be careful... if you don't know arabic, and even if it makes sense to you... relying of Abdunur's translation, without verifying it.... is blind faith.
Note that I'm not saying Abdunur is wrong.... but I won't uphold it until verified and it makes sense through logical analysis in the light of the rest of the quran and its language.
I follow what makes most sense to me. What I find reasonable. Check my signature for example.
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Thanks for the link to SOL quran pages. I quickly checked Abdunur's interpretation of surah fatiha... and unless one has done some deeeeeep study of arabic... it would be blind faith to just follow his translation. We are afterall told in the quran to not uphold anything that we have not verified ourselves... so I'm telling you... Abdunur's stuff is not verified in just a jiffy... it will take some serious research. So be careful... if you don't know arabic, and even if it makes sense to you... relying of Abdunur's translation, without verifying it.... is blind faith.
Note that I'm not saying Abdunur is wrong.... but I won't uphold it until verified and it makes sense through logical analysis in the light of the rest of the quran and its language.
Good.
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Peace ;D
But read this anyway http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/115/147/
Good night