Three or Five Daily Prayers?
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Salat =/= daily prayers.
Daily prayers are worship, but they're not IslamicDo you give thanks to God? Do you mention His name before eating? Do you repent to Him? Do you ask forgiveness from Him?
These are all simple examples of acts of worship and are all mentioned in the Quran for those who acknowledge God.
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3, 5, 10, 300 DAILY PRAYERS? WHO IS GOING TO CONVINCE YOU? WILL YOU FOLLOW THEM?
Is prayer/connection to GOD a private or public matter? What is more important?4210 If you dispute any part of this message, the judgement for doing this rests with GOD. Such is GOD my Lord. In HIM I trust and to HIM I submit.?
( You are responsible for your own decision? Do you want to follow blindly? Or check for yourself? What is the message?)
4213 HE ( GOD) decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah and what We inspired to you and what We decreed for Abraham, Moses and Jesus? You shall uphold this one religion and do not divide it.? The idol worshippers will greatly resent what you are inviting them to do. GOD redeems to Himself only those who totally submit.?
( One religion, not many! Man made stuff is called here ? idol worship? -following others- nothing to do with what GOD decreed!)
4214 Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy among themselves. ( Mine is better than yours?!) Indeed the later generations who inherited the scripture ( Jews. Christians, Muslims, etc?.) are full of doubts.?
4215 This is what you shall preach ( Submission and loyalty to GOD ALONE!) and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, ( Do not follow man-made stuff!) and do not follow their wishes??
4221 They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorised by GOD!?
Try your creator. He guides to the truth. It is between you and your creator?
652 Do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, (Asking their creator to help them decide in this life!) devoting themselves to HIM ALONE.( They are not wasting your time!) You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning.( It is their own time!) If you dismiss them, ( You are being unfair!) you will be a transgressor.?
( Freedom of choice! You are responsible only for you! ( Once you reach the age of responsibility?) The decision to believe or disbelieve is yours! to pray as many times as you are guided to do. You cannot blame anyone else? Check and prove all things, or follow others ,or do not bother to do anything? Will anyone else be accountable for you?)
Your creator has your answer.
In peace.The problem is here is the definition of idol worship. There seems to be a very simplistic udnerstanding of idol worship and shirk. People equate veneration with idol worship. This clouds many people's ideas about what shirk is. I have noticed this. In a way this is expected since shirk vanished from the Arab world and so many peope may not have an idea what shirk is.
Its important that we first study what shirk is, something I have not seen here. There is no study of pagan theology and ancient religions or even Arab paganism done. There are certain assumptions made about what shirk is.
Yet if you research yu will discover shirk is something totally different than what many think. This is why the Koran does not forgive shirk. Shrik is a theology based on one important distinction with monotheism. In shirk theology, existence came before god and god emerged from that existence and therefore god is confined. God in shirk is not beyong nature but is confined by its laws. God and gods in shirk are created and are born and can die and reborn. They are under the same restrictions as humans are. They are in essense exagerated human beings.
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Do you give thanks to God? Do you mention His name before eating? Do you repent to Him? Do you ask forgiveness from Him?
These are all simple examples of acts of worship and are all mentioned in the Quran for those who acknowledge God.
Sorry but I only follow the Quran with good translations not pseudo bible Quran
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You are wasting your time. He is a 14 year old boy who only follows the un-Quranic theologies of Abdun Nur. He doesn't believe in ANY translation except one created by that guy and he has only (mis)translated/fabricated less than 10% of the Quran. He is not even going by anything the Quran actually says so you are wasting your time asking him to give his evidence for his beliefs.
Well one thing i have to give to him is that I wish when I was 14 that I actually cared about religious issues and the Koran like he does. Man, I think that was the last thing on my mind. I was into sports and movies. I would not even have bothered in a forum like this. But then again in my time there was no internet so who knows. But he is starting young so that is a big plus for him.
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I wonder if anyone has done any research on 'shirk' (thru the quran), similar to what has been done on other terms such as 'salat' or 'jinn'. I mean, since shirk is the only unforgivable sin, then one would think it would be possible to have it defined from the quran through a thorough study. Not just a verse or two... but through cross referencing etc a la the many salat-studies.
Peace and Cheers
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I wonder if anyone has done any research on 'shirk' (thru the quran), similar to what has been done on other terms such as 'salat' or 'jinn'. I mean, since shirk is the only unforgivable sin, then one would think it would be possible to have it defined from the quran through a thorough study. Not just a verse or two... but through cross referencing etc a la the many salat-studies.
Peace and Cheers
Peach and CherriesThe Koran tells the prophet to communicate with the Rabbis and ask for their religious sources it also tells us to go forth on Earth and seek wisdom and see what has happened to other nations. Seeking knowledge is what the Koran told us.
There are many pagan traditions we know of. Chinese, Indian, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian, and many South American and African. There is Japanese and there is Australian. Its all over the place.
My main concern here is the comparison between idol worship and monotheism. Between polytheism or paganism versus monotheism. Between the gods of the pagan religions and the God of the Bible and Koran. The theological difference.
As far as the Koran is concerned, nearly all the characteristic of God in the Koran dismisses paganism.
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You are wasting your time. He is a 14 year old boy who only follows the un-Quranic theologies of Abdun Nur. He doesn't believe in ANY translation except one created by that guy and he has only (mis)translated/fabricated less than 10% of the Quran. He is not even going by anything the Quran actually says so you are wasting your time asking him to give his evidence for his beliefs.
Thanks, yeah it's obvious.
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Thanks, yeah it's obvious.
What's obvious is your lack of reasoning
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Belief in the evil eye is found in Islamic doctrine, based upon the statement of Muhammad, "The influence of an evil eye is a fact..." . Authentic practices of warding off the evil eye are also commonly practiced by Muslims rather than directly expressing appreciation of, for example, a child's beauty, it is customary to say Masha'Allah, that is, "God has willed it," or invoking God's blessings upon the object or person that is being admired. Aside from beliefs based upon authentic Islamic texts, a number of unsubstantiated beliefs about the evil eye are found in folk religion, typically revolving around the use of amulets or talismans as a means of protection.
Is belief in the evil eye and warding off the evil eye with a charm such as a bracelet or necklace a form of shirk?
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Belief in the evil eye is found in Islamic doctrine, based upon the statement of Muhammad, "The influence of an evil eye is a fact..." . Authentic practices of warding off the evil eye are also commonly practiced by Muslims rather than directly expressing appreciation of, for example, a child's beauty, it is customary to say Masha'Allah, that is, "God has willed it," or invoking God's blessings upon the object or person that is being admired. Aside from beliefs based upon authentic Islamic texts, a number of unsubstantiated beliefs about the evil eye are found in folk religion, typically revolving around the use of amulets or talismans as a means of protection.
Is belief in the evil eye and warding off the evil eye with a charm such as a bracelet or necklace a form of shirk?
dear lenochka,
I think it is a foolishness either you believe in it or not. but it seems very attractive on a person like if use it in fashion way as pineal gland.....
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Bigmo you should start a new thread on shirk and paganism according to the Quran so it doesn't get "lost" in this thread. I think it would be interesting and beneficial.
The Koran tells the prophet to communicate with the Rabbis and ask for their religious sources it also tells us to go forth on Earth and seek wisdom and see what has happened to other nations. Seeking knowledge is what the Koran told us.
There are many pagan traditions we know of. Chinese, Indian, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian, and many South American and African. There is Japanese and there is Australian. Its all over the place.
My main concern here is the comparison between idol worship and monotheism. Between polytheism or paganism versus monotheism. Between the gods of the pagan religions and the God of the Bible and Koran. The theological difference.
As far as the Koran is concerned, nearly all the characteristic of God in the Koran dismisses paganism.