Adam was not the first "Humain" in earth .

cleanfox5982

welcome Alkitab,

I agree with you. Adam was not the first human. Please check the links below too.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602755.msg282523#msg282523
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600440.msg247806#msg247806

Peace,
Khalil

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salam Khalil

savage_carrot

Exhibit A
What is it with you and these images Jafar? Have you got a secret stash on your hd or something...? Regardless, the dude on the right is probably pretty damn proud of himself. Also, covering the penis or whatever can stem from reasons other than shame. A warring tribe for example would really want to protect that area in particular (or learn the art of sumo where they can fold it into themselves) rather than flaunting it sans anything... because that would just be asking for it.

Add a nsfw tag or something however before someone gets embarrassed seeing as how we are all humans here.

cleanfox5982

Salam Jafar

Yes, you'r right in fact the verse mentioning the cloths and the covering of the body" " talks about" Adam "and his children

726 O Children of Adam, We have sent down for you garments to alleviate your bodies, and feathers; and the garment of righteousness is the best. That is from the signs of God, perhaps they will remember.
727 "O Children of Adam, do not let the devil afflict you as he evicted your parents from the paradise; he removes from them their garments to show them their bodies".
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Adam and his children start to care about covering their bodies because of" the spirit " that was blowing into "Adam " making him and his offspring with developed abilities "the listening ", the eyesight ", and the hearts " . When when one of the children of Adam killed the other he remembered that sight/ guidance by using his "heart " that was activated by "the spirit " , so he said

531 So God sent forth a raven to scratch the land and show him how to deal with the body of his brother. He said "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be like this raven and deal with the body of my brother?" So he became of those who regretted.

The act of being very attentive to wearing proper cloths and burying dead bodies starts with Adam and his children as we can understand from the verses .

good_logic

Very interesting version, some connections needs to be made?

Where was this " spirit " before it was given to Adam?

Where was the paradise mentioned?

When did the "sin" take place?

I am sure things will " Evolve" with this story.
Peace.

cleanfox5982

"Al Insan " this is the philological examination of the english word "insane " witch mean crazy . But the root of this word "Al Insan " come from " a n s " witch mean being familiar , because they used to live in community but not developed as the " "Bacahar " , also in that root there is" n s a " means forget , mostly "Al Insan " is caracterised by the fact of forgetting a lot .

"Bacahar "come from the rooth "b ch r " we here in our dailect we say someone is" Mabchour "means a good and happy looking face , also " Bouchra " Good happy news , the Quran is described as " Bouchra " , also "El Bachrah " the skin , because i think Adam used to have a nice skin maybe less hairy then the "Al Insan " , nothing wrong here with hairy skin , but for sure having the whole body full of hair is much closer to the animal body

youssef4342

Peace be with you as well,
well, Adam might have been a forefather to the human race.
Surely humans have evolved from their precedents (769)

cleanfox5982

salam

I re-write my topic above with better police and highlights.

By studying carefully The verses of the Quaran"" that talk about "Adam" ""Inssan" "Al Gin " " , " al ins " "Annas " " and "Bachar" " , i saw a that there are diffidently a different creatures but with common and different entities / abilities/ behaviours.

the first creation mentioned is " Al insan " " , what is today as humain

327 The One who perfected everything He created and He began the creation of man from clay.
328 Then He made his offspring from a structure derived from a lowly liquid.
329 Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful.

the word " " wich is translated as "then " does not mean next immediately in the clair arabic tongie tangue , the word who mean next immediatley is " " "and".

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this is the English translation of that verses witch i pick up from this site witch is not accurate
228 (How can you reject God when you were dead and He brought you to life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, then to Him you return.) they should put" then" instead of "and", because the meaning of and is not the same in the Claire Arabic tongue , when there is a action followed by "then" it mean there is a considerable time passed between the two action or events , there is big time between ( He brought you to life) (Then He makes you die), ( He brings you to life) but when we use "and " it mean next or the following.

So the verse that talk about the creation of "Al insan " " and makes the word" "then" between three stages of creation

327 He created and He began the creation of man from clay.
328 Then He made his offspring from a structure derived from a lowly liquid.
329 Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful.

At the third stage of creation of "Al insan " " is no more called so , he is called "Bachara"" " this is the entity name if you like , and the personified name is "Adam" " "

The Proof the third stage of creation is caracterised by 329 Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful.

This stage of creation is mentioned clearly in another verse 1526 And We have created man"Al insan" from a sludge from hot sediment.
1527 And the Jinn, We created him before that from the fire of the fierce hot winds.
1528 And your Lord said to the angels "I am creating a human " Bachara" being from a sludge from hot sediment."
1529 "So when I evolve him, and blow from My Spirit in him, you shall yield to him"

I added literally the word as it exists- in Arabic- to the English translation as i think the names they give are not accurate and does not give the correct meaning ,

also the word "jinn " " is not the same as "al jan" " there is a rule in the Claire Arabic tongue that state that when the form of the word change the meaning change accordingly and vice versa. there will be another subject about "Aljnn" and " AlJan" .

Adam"" is a starter of a new creation but with more abilities and gifts , precisely he was blowing into him from the spirit ""

3871 For your Lord said to the angels "I am creating a human"Bachara" " being from clay."
3872 "So when I have evolved him, and blow of My Spirit in him, then you shall yield to him.

" Al Insan " was never blowing into him from the spirit "" Al Insan " is always mentioned in the Quran as a bad being with bad behaviors , exemples

428 God wants to alleviate for you; and man was created weak.
1434 And He has given you all that you have asked Him. And if you count the blessings of God, you will not be able to number them. Man is indeed transgressing, disbelieving.
1783 And if We bless man "Al Insan ", he turns away and turns his side. But when adversity touches him, he is despairing!
164 He has created man "Al Insan " from a seed, but then he becomes clearly in opposition.

We can clearly see that the mentioning of "the hearing ", the eyesight ", and the hearts " come after the blowing of the spirit"" and the Quran use the word "and " not "then " after the blowing witch mean after the blowing directly this "bachara " "Adam "starts to have this abilities "the hearing ", the eyesight ", and the hearts " and so on his offspring.

Almalaika witch is translated in english as "Angels" was asked to yield to this new creation called "Bachara " who has the spirit " " blowing into him , befor this creation it was another creation called "Alinsan " this creatures used to transgress in earth this is way when Almalaika heard that there will be another "successors "- successors and not responsible to mention clearly the meaning of the word in the arabic calaire tongue- they make thsis arguments 230
And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know." .

Almalaika " in that verse talk about "Al insan " and this gender include both "Al ins and Al jinn " every Ins or Jinn is Insan when this Insan has Spirit blowing into him he become "Bachara " all this type of creatures are included in one word "Anass "

So "Adam " is not the first "humain being" in earth , he is the first "bachar " who has spirit blowing into him .

what is called "civilization" did start with this "man" and with his offspring , i am here supporting the great works/reasearch of dear "Pazuzu " about the mentioning of the first civilized communities and where did this started.

cleanfox5982

Very interesting version, some connections needs to be made?

Where was this " spirit " before it was given to Adam?

Where was the paradise mentioned?

When did the "sin" take place?

I am sure things will " Evolve" with this story.
Peace.

salam

The first connection i saw is with the concept of evolution and the works of Darwin about this , in the Qaran it's clearly stated that "Adam" who is a "Bachara " is a stage of creation caracterised by the blowing of the spirit into him , he is successors after " Al insan " "human" but in the Quran its said also that " Al insan " "human" was created first in a better shape and then they returned him in a lower degraded one , this statement from the Quran is diffidently mistaking Darwin theory about the origin of "Alinsan "Human" being evolved from apes

954 We have created man "Alinsan " in the best form.
955 Then We returned him to the lowest of the low ones.

To mention that the Arabic word " "make" mean transforming something to something , also the word " " create" does not mean create from nothing

5235 Or were they created from nothing? Or was it them who have created?

the second connection is with the concept of civilization and the geography of the prophets , as all the prophets are "Bachar " and all of them preached in the same area , Adam was created from earth and lived in there

2055 From it We created you and in it We return you, and from it We bring you out another time

-"Spirit " was not given to Adam but blowing into him from it

-The paradise mentioned in the Quran where Adam was is in the earth

The sin took place in earth not in the sky

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

I think it is erroneous to consider "Adam" one person, as opposed to early mankind.

good_logic

There are issues / more connections to look into

435 Should We just ignore the fact that you have transgressed the limits? ( Have we committed the original sin?- Is this the rebellion in the high heaven-? before the creation of this universe for the test?.)

4057 The creation of the heavens and the earth is even more awesome than the creation of the human being, but most people do not know"

Also there is

3867 Say? Here is awesome news.?

3868 That you are totally oblivious to.? (Hence the reminder!)

3869 I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the high heaven.?(Is this Rebellion before the creation of this universe! original sin committed by humans!?)

More to look into ( And this is only my understanding?)

3827 We did not create the heaven and the earth and everything between them ( this universe!) in vain. ( It was created to give humans a chance to repent, redeem themselves back to GOD s kingdom. Out of mercy GOD is giving you another chance to uphold HIS authority ALONE. In our system everyone serves somebody! In GOD s kingdom all HIS creation serves and stays loyal to HIM ALONE. One GOD, One system, No corruption, No rebellion?! It did not just happen randomly!) Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.? ( Those who do not believe they will be returning to their creator for accountability?)

It will be interesting to hear other views?

cleanfox5982

There are issues / more connections to look into

435 Should We just ignore the fact that you have transgressed the limits? ( Have we committed the original sin?- Is this the rebellion in the high heaven-? before the creation of this universe for the test?.)

4057 The creation of the heavens and the earth is even more awesome than the creation of the human being, but most people do not know"

Also there is

3867 Say? Here is awesome news.?

3868 That you are totally oblivious to.? (Hence the reminder!)

3869 I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the high heaven.?(Is this Rebellion before the creation of this universe! original sin committed by humans!?)

More to look into ( And this is only my understanding?)

3827 We did not create the heaven and the earth and everything between them ( this universe!) in vain. ( It was created to give humans a chance to repent, redeem themselves back to GOD s kingdom. Out of mercy GOD is giving you another chance to uphold HIS authority ALONE. In our system everyone serves somebody! In GOD s kingdom all HIS creation serves and stays loyal to HIM ALONE. One GOD, One system, No corruption, No rebellion?! It did not just happen randomly!) Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.? ( Those who do not believe they will be returning to their creator for accountability?)

It will be interesting to hear other views?

The verse below show that the successor who is about to be created will be placed in earth al ard and that was the plan before "Adam " tasting the" tree "

230 And your Lord said to the angels"Almalaika " "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know."
231 And He taught Adam the names of all things, then He displayed them to the angels and said "Inform Me of the names of these if you are truthful."

you see the point ?

There are a lot connection surely to make the key word are "al malaika " and " al insan " and " al jinn " and " adam " and " bachar " anass " and " al ins "

whay is sure is that befor adam there was two "comunities kawm" "al jinn " and " al inss " befor adam and his children

735 O Children of Adam, when messengers come to you from among yourselves and tell to you My revelations; then for those who are aware, and upright, there will be no fear over them nor will they grieve.
736 As for those who reject Our revelations, and become arrogant towards them; then these are the dwellers of the Fire, in it they will abide"
737 Who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations? These will receive their recompense from the record; so that when Our messengers come to terminate their lives, they will say "Where are those whom you used to call on besides God?" They said "They have abandoned us!" And they bore witness upon themselves that they were rejecters.
738 He said "Enter with the multitude of nations before you from mankind and Jinn ( al jinn w al inss ) to the Fire!" Every time a nation entered, it cursed its sister nation, until they are all gathered inside it; then the last of them says to the first "Our Lord, these are the ones who have misguided us, so give them double the retribution of the Fire!" He replied "Each will receive double, but you do not know.

good_logic

Peace Alkitab.
Please elaborate on the following

Was there mankind before Adam that were held accountable?

Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?

Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?

Sorry i did not get the connections you tried to make in your last post.
Peace again

Kaiokenred

Peace Alkitab.
Please elaborate on the following

Was there mankind before Adam that were held accountable?

Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?

Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?

Sorry i did not get the connections you tried to make in your last post.
Peace again

Jinns are humans not some invisible christianized entities

cleanfox5982

salam peace good logic ,

Peace Alkitab.
Please elaborate on the following

Was there mankind before Adam that were held accountable?

Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?

Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?

Sorry i did not get the connections you tried to make in your last post.
Peace again

yes , they were" mankind " but what you call mankind the Quran call it "Alnsan " there are two different "community / / kawm "
First is "al gann " who wrongly was described and still as "demon" or invisible entities
second is "al anss "

and both of these two communities are a same creatures but named differently because of their way of living and also with different skills and behaviors , social life etc.

Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?

what i understand so far is that when "Adam" was created as a successor in the earth the other two communities "al gann " and "al anss " witch you call "mankind" were still in the earth , Adam had progeny through his wife wich the quran call "o children of adam " , and of course they other two communities had theirs the Quran call them 6130 "O assembly of aljann and alanss", , among the "al gann " there was a "guy " called "Abliss " his title is "el chaytan " this guy also had a progeny , he become the enemy of Adam and his children.

this mean there is not only children of "Adam " in the earth today

"Adam " whose title is " bacharah " is a new creation and more evolved then the creatures that was before him "al gann " and "al anss " thier title was " "Alnsan "

Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?

"al gann " and "al anss " are both considered as "mankind alansan " , the relation is that "al gann " believe that that are more powerful and skillful and they think they are the ruler of the earth so they take control over "al anss " by governing them

6128 And the Day We gather them all "O assembly of Jinn, you have managed to take many from Alanss ." Their supporters from Alanss said "Our Lord, we have indeed enjoyed one another, and we have reached our destiny to which You delayed us." He said "The Fire is your dwelling, abiding therein, except as your Lord wishes." Your Lord is Wise, Knowledgeable.

good_logic

Peace Alkitab.

Sorry I seem to have lost the connection completely?
Two kinds of "Mankind", Adam and his race and Mankind who were on earth before him?
Jinn and Mankind are the same race?
These do not fit in the context of the Koran? I am a little confused. I read our- conversation ( posts)- since the start of this topic.
Perhaps others could enter here with their views so we can " connect" this story.
Peace.

cleanfox5982

Peace Alkitab.

Sorry I seem to have lost the connection completely?
Two kinds of "Mankind", Adam and his race and Mankind who were on earth before him?
Jinn and Mankind are the same race?
These do not fit in the context of the Koran? I am a little confused. I read our- conversation ( posts)- since the start of this topic.
Perhaps others could enter here with their views so we can " connect" this story.
Peace.

salam/ ,

no " jinn" and "inss" are two kinds of "mankind/ human" they were in the earth before "Bachar / Adam" who is also a "mankind/ human" .

jinn
inss
bachar

But there is another creatures that are invisible to us and they do not live in the earth , the Quran name them as ALJinnah/ who's title is " Almalaika " known in translated languages as " angels "

good_logic

Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw from this conversation.

Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.

May the Lord guide us to do better next time.

Peace.

Kaiokenred

Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw from this conversation.

Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.

May the Lord guide us to do better next time.

Peace.

Jinn are the psychopaths who rule the world, the sovereigns. Read this http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/8/29/ if you care

cleanfox5982

Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw from this conversation.

Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.

May the Lord guide us to do better next time.

Peace.

salam ,

apologies too if my analysis of the topic wasn't clear enough , i still think and saw too that there are issues in some of the points i mentioned .

whatever you are as long as you reflect the purpose of the search is to increase in knowledge = to increase in righteousness and to do and be good. Among "Al jinn" there are very good people as the Quran mentioned.

Anyway thanks too for the conversation .

cleanfox5982