Adam was not the first "Humain" in earth .
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I think it is erroneous to consider "Adam" one person, as opposed to early mankind.
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There are issues / more connections to look into
435 Should We just ignore the fact that you have transgressed the limits? ( Have we committed the original sin?- Is this the rebellion in the high heaven-? before the creation of this universe for the test?.)
4057 The creation of the heavens and the earth is even more awesome than the creation of the human being, but most people do not know"
Also there is
3867 Say? Here is awesome news.?
3868 That you are totally oblivious to.? (Hence the reminder!)
3869 I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the high heaven.?(Is this Rebellion before the creation of this universe! original sin committed by humans!?)
More to look into ( And this is only my understanding?)
3827 We did not create the heaven and the earth and everything between them ( this universe!) in vain. ( It was created to give humans a chance to repent, redeem themselves back to GOD s kingdom. Out of mercy GOD is giving you another chance to uphold HIS authority ALONE. In our system everyone serves somebody! In GOD s kingdom all HIS creation serves and stays loyal to HIM ALONE. One GOD, One system, No corruption, No rebellion?! It did not just happen randomly!) Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.? ( Those who do not believe they will be returning to their creator for accountability?)
It will be interesting to hear other views?
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There are issues / more connections to look into
435 Should We just ignore the fact that you have transgressed the limits? ( Have we committed the original sin?- Is this the rebellion in the high heaven-? before the creation of this universe for the test?.)
4057 The creation of the heavens and the earth is even more awesome than the creation of the human being, but most people do not know"
Also there is
3867 Say? Here is awesome news.?
3868 That you are totally oblivious to.? (Hence the reminder!)
3869 I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the high heaven.?(Is this Rebellion before the creation of this universe! original sin committed by humans!?)
More to look into ( And this is only my understanding?)
3827 We did not create the heaven and the earth and everything between them ( this universe!) in vain. ( It was created to give humans a chance to repent, redeem themselves back to GOD s kingdom. Out of mercy GOD is giving you another chance to uphold HIS authority ALONE. In our system everyone serves somebody! In GOD s kingdom all HIS creation serves and stays loyal to HIM ALONE. One GOD, One system, No corruption, No rebellion?! It did not just happen randomly!) Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.? ( Those who do not believe they will be returning to their creator for accountability?)
It will be interesting to hear other views?
The verse below show that the successor who is about to be created will be placed in earth al ard and that was the plan before "Adam " tasting the" tree "
230 And your Lord said to the angels"Almalaika " "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know."
231 And He taught Adam the names of all things, then He displayed them to the angels and said "Inform Me of the names of these if you are truthful."you see the point ?
There are a lot connection surely to make the key word are "al malaika " and " al insan " and " al jinn " and " adam " and " bachar " anass " and " al ins "
whay is sure is that befor adam there was two "comunities kawm" "al jinn " and " al inss " befor adam and his children
735 O Children of Adam, when messengers come to you from among yourselves and tell to you My revelations; then for those who are aware, and upright, there will be no fear over them nor will they grieve.
736 As for those who reject Our revelations, and become arrogant towards them; then these are the dwellers of the Fire, in it they will abide"
737 Who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations? These will receive their recompense from the record; so that when Our messengers come to terminate their lives, they will say "Where are those whom you used to call on besides God?" They said "They have abandoned us!" And they bore witness upon themselves that they were rejecters.
738 He said "Enter with the multitude of nations before you from mankind and Jinn ( al jinn w al inss ) to the Fire!" Every time a nation entered, it cursed its sister nation, until they are all gathered inside it; then the last of them says to the first "Our Lord, these are the ones who have misguided us, so give them double the retribution of the Fire!" He replied "Each will receive double, but you do not know. -
Peace Alkitab.
Please elaborate on the followingWas there mankind before Adam that were held accountable?
Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?
Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?
Sorry i did not get the connections you tried to make in your last post.
Peace again -
Peace Alkitab.
Please elaborate on the followingWas there mankind before Adam that were held accountable?
Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?
Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?
Sorry i did not get the connections you tried to make in your last post.
Peace againJinns are humans not some invisible christianized entities
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salam peace good logic ,
Peace Alkitab.
Please elaborate on the followingWas there mankind before Adam that were held accountable?
Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?
Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?
Sorry i did not get the connections you tried to make in your last post.
Peace againyes , they were" mankind " but what you call mankind the Quran call it "Alnsan " there are two different "community / / kawm "
First is "al gann " who wrongly was described and still as "demon" or invisible entities
second is "al anss "and both of these two communities are a same creatures but named differently because of their way of living and also with different skills and behaviors , social life etc.
Were Mankind to be reproduced on earth through Adam?
what i understand so far is that when "Adam" was created as a successor in the earth the other two communities "al gann " and "al anss " witch you call "mankind" were still in the earth , Adam had progeny through his wife wich the quran call "o children of adam " , and of course they other two communities had theirs the Quran call them 6130 "O assembly of aljann and alanss", , among the "al gann " there was a "guy " called "Abliss " his title is "el chaytan " this guy also had a progeny , he become the enemy of Adam and his children.
this mean there is not only children of "Adam " in the earth today
"Adam " whose title is " bacharah " is a new creation and more evolved then the creatures that was before him "al gann " and "al anss " thier title was " "Alnsan "
Was there a relationship between the " Jinns" and "Mankind before Adam?
"al gann " and "al anss " are both considered as "mankind alansan " , the relation is that "al gann " believe that that are more powerful and skillful and they think they are the ruler of the earth so they take control over "al anss " by governing them
6128 And the Day We gather them all "O assembly of Jinn, you have managed to take many from Alanss ." Their supporters from Alanss said "Our Lord, we have indeed enjoyed one another, and we have reached our destiny to which You delayed us." He said "The Fire is your dwelling, abiding therein, except as your Lord wishes." Your Lord is Wise, Knowledgeable.
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Peace Alkitab.
Sorry I seem to have lost the connection completely?
Two kinds of "Mankind", Adam and his race and Mankind who were on earth before him?
Jinn and Mankind are the same race?
These do not fit in the context of the Koran? I am a little confused. I read our- conversation ( posts)- since the start of this topic.
Perhaps others could enter here with their views so we can " connect" this story.
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Peace Alkitab.
Sorry I seem to have lost the connection completely?
Two kinds of "Mankind", Adam and his race and Mankind who were on earth before him?
Jinn and Mankind are the same race?
These do not fit in the context of the Koran? I am a little confused. I read our- conversation ( posts)- since the start of this topic.
Perhaps others could enter here with their views so we can " connect" this story.
Peace.salam/ ,
no " jinn" and "inss" are two kinds of "mankind/ human" they were in the earth before "Bachar / Adam" who is also a "mankind/ human" .
- jinn
- inss
- bachar
But there is another creatures that are invisible to us and they do not live in the earth , the Quran name them as ALJinnah/ who's title is " Almalaika " known in translated languages as " angels "
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Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw from this conversation.Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.
May the Lord guide us to do better next time.
Peace.
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Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw from this conversation.Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.
May the Lord guide us to do better next time.
Peace.
Jinn are the psychopaths who rule the world, the sovereigns. Read this http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/8/29/ if you care
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Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw from this conversation.Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.
May the Lord guide us to do better next time.
Peace.
salam ,
apologies too if my analysis of the topic wasn't clear enough , i still think and saw too that there are issues in some of the points i mentioned .
whatever you are as long as you reflect the purpose of the search is to increase in knowledge = to increase in righteousness and to do and be good. Among "Al jinn" there are very good people as the Quran mentioned.
Anyway thanks too for the conversation .
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salam
The first connection i saw is with the concept of evolution and the works of Darwin about this , in the Qaran it's clearly stated that "Adam" who is a "Bachara " is a stage of creation caracterised by the blowing of the spirit into him , he is successors after " Al insan " "human" but in the Quran its said also that " Al insan " "human" was created first in a better shape and then they returned him in a lower degraded one , this statement from the Quran is diffidently mistaking Darwin theory about the origin of "Alinsan "Human" being evolved from apes
954 We have created man "Alinsan " in the best form.
955 Then We returned him to the lowest of the low ones.To mention that the Arabic word " "make" mean transforming something to something , also the word " " create" does not mean create from nothing
5235 Or were they created from nothing? Or was it them who have created?
the second connection is with the concept of civilization and the geography of the prophets , as all the prophets are "Bachar " and all of them preached in the same area , Adam was created from earth and lived in there
2055 From it We created you and in it We return you, and from it We bring you out another time
-"Spirit " was not given to Adam but blowing into him from it
-The paradise mentioned in the Quran where Adam was is in the earth
- The sin took place in earth not in the sky
salam to all
the topic of the promised "paradise/ Alfirdaws" " // aljannah " were "Adam" was should be studied and looked at according to "the true/alhak" knowledge of "the interpretation of the verses that talk about the unseen /alghyeb
740 Those who have denied Our revelations, and became arrogant towards them, the gates of the "alsamaa/ the sky /the heaven" will not open for them, nor will they enter the Paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.
644 So when they forgot what they had been reminded of, We opened for them the gates of all opportunities; and when they were happy with what they were given, We took them suddenly! They were confounded.
approaching study
1824 "Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this in comprehension.
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Peace be with you as well,
well, Adam might have been a forefather to the human race.
Surely humans have evolved from their precedents (769)Salam ,
the verse you mentioned talk about the "community " of " Aad " the successors after "Noah" these communities and the ones who come after them that Quaran mention "Tamoud " " Median " the comunity of moses ,lot ..etc are all classified in the Quran as children of Adam , they are named " bachar"
149 Did not news come to you of those before you the people of Noah, and 'Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except God? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said "We are rejecting what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to."
1410 Their messengers said "Is there doubt regarding God, the initiator of the heavens and the earth? He invites you so that He may forgive some of your sins, and delay you to an appointed term." They said "You are merely "Bachar " like us; you wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to serve. So come to us with a clear proof."Adam did not evolved from other "human being species " with better design / capacities
1529 "So when I "made " him, and blow from My Spirit in him, you shall yield to him."
Adam did not evolved from other "human being species " because the verse 3875 mention clearly that
3875 He said "O Satan, what prevented you from yielding to what I have created by My hands? Are you too arrogant? Or are you one of those exalted?"
The verse you mention do not include all the "poeple / nations /Annas " that existed at that time , the verse only talk about children of Adam
My point is using the word "Human" or the human being when you analyse that topic is not precise.
my other point is that the "poeple / nations /Annas " that exist today are not all of them from "Adamh" surely they get in connection with the other nations /nas that was before them in the earth.