How sex before Marriage is not haram (prohibited) according to the Quran

Kaiokenred

Peace back to everyone who said peace,
"And they who guard their private parts; Except from their 1) wives or 2) those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed - (235,6)

What gives us the right to have intimate relationships with people who are not 1) wives, or 2) those under our possession?

Girlfriends and boyfriends are not wives, and not under our possession.

How do you know that? As far as I know today's girlfriend/boyfriend could be the concept of wife/husband in Islam

Mino-taur

Salaam nimnimak_11
Thank you for replying to my post. I will first clarify my post as it seems i may have rushed it (as it was a bit late and i was sleepy).
In your first original post (please refer back to it) you stated this

The first limitation I will explain via the following Verses of 235-6

235 And they keep covered their private parts.
236 Except around their spouses (azwaaj), or those who are maintained by their oaths (ma malakat aymanukum), they are free from blame.
237 But whoever seeks anything beyond this, then these are the transgressors.

From these verses, it is clear that none should have access to the private parts except the following two categories Spouses (Azwaaj) and those who are committed to you by oaths (ma malakat aymanukum) Thus SO FAR sex can only be done with those two categories of people.?
You have shown that sex can only be done with Spouses (Azwaaj) those committed to you by oaths (ma malakat aymanukum). Then you go on to say
?If we look at a word by word translation, the word chaste actually isn?t there. What?s actually used is abstain. But his could mean to abstain from something different to sex such as abstaining from unlawful sex and not sex as a whole?.

So let?s assume that instead of chaste, the verse says abstain from Unlawful sex (as you suggested). Thus far, it can be concluded that the Quran says abstain from unlawful sex unless it is your Spouse or someone committed to you by oath.

Before we go any further, Unlawful sex is sex that transgresses the limits set by the Quran. You clarified these limits above.
Unlawful sex with your spouse is not possible as ANY sex is lawful with your spouse. This leaves us with being permitted to have unlawful sex with those committed to us by oaths (ma malakat aymanukum).

This is why you think sex before marriage is permissible, because according to the verses you have read, this is the only category of people which we can have unlawful sex (i.e. premarital sex).

However, my argument is that the Quran tells us we cannot have unlawful sex with people committed to us by oath (ma malakat aymaukum). I say this because of what is said in Quran 425

?And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the independent
female believers, then from those maintained
by your oaths (Ma Malakat Aymanukum)
of the believing young women..." - 425

This verse tells us that if for some reason we cannot marry the normal (i.e. independent) women then we should marry those maintained by our oaths.

Remember that, normally, to have sex with someone you must have married that person. However you suggest that we can have pre marital sex with ma malakat aymanukum. However the above verse clearly states that if you cannot marry then you must marry those committed to your oaths.

You may argue that the above verse does not stop us from having premarital sex with MMA as the verse is about if we cannot marry and not about if we can have sex. I don?t mean to offend anyone but one major thing about marriage is to produce offspring/sex. So what the above verse is also saying, is that if we cannot marry (and subsequently have sex) with the normal women, then we can marry (and subsequently have sex) with MMA.

So in conclusion we can have Premarital sex with MMA ONLY, if we marry MMA first.

This is the same as saying we can only have sex with MMA only if we marry them.
;D

nimnimak_11

Salam Mino-taur

Thank you for replying to my post.

Your welcome.

And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the independent
female believers, then from those maintained
by your oaths (Ma Malakat Aymanukum)
of the believing young women..." - 425

In 423-24 we are told that we cannot marry the muhsinat women untill they become of MMA "Forbidden to you (for marriage) are...And the independent from the women, except those maintained by your oaths. So MMA isn't a plan B, its necessary before you can marry the muhsinat women. They must first become MMA to you.

425 says that if you can't marry the muhsinat women, then you marry the fatayat that are of MMA and not marry MMA instead of muhsinat as plan B since the muhsinat must become of MMA first and is part of plan A.

The key thing we learn in 425 as far as i can tell is that if you can't marry the muhsinat (which must be off MMA first) then you marry the fatayat (which must also be of MMA first)

Remember that, normally, to have sex with someone you must have married that person.

This needs to be in accordance with reason or the Quran.

So in conclusion we can have Premarital sex with MMA ONLY, if we marry MMA first.

This is the same as saying we can only have sex with MMA only if we marry them.

This needs to be backed by reason or Quran. The verse you quoted didn't do this IMO. I'l post something tonight that summarises the thread. It will hopefully save time for those who havn't followed the thread.

Kaiokenred

Salaam nimnimak_11
Thank you for replying to my post. I will first clarify my post as it seems i may have rushed it (as it was a bit late and i was sleepy).
In your first original post (please refer back to it) you stated this
So let?s assume that instead of chaste, the verse says abstain from Unlawful sex (as you suggested). Thus far, it can be concluded that the Quran says abstain from unlawful sex unless it is your Spouse or someone committed to you by oath.