Any people here who say there is no such thing as fasting..?

Ansar

Anyone in here who believers that there is nu such thing as fasting....

That you are allowed to drink?

marie

Ansar,

I think the verse 2187 is clear, we have to abstain from drink, food, sex during siyam.

All what you read on the forum does not represent the opinion of all members.

Anybody cannot conceal the truth because Allah firms His revelation

Ramadan mubarak

Peace

Ansar

I see, has there been a person who came with an interpretation of that verse which meant you can eat or drink?

TheNabi

Salaam Ansar,

I'm not sure if anyone has, but I'm sure you can see that Marie and I believe that one is to abstain from drink during siyam. Perhaps there is someone who does believe in what you are trying to find out, but I would seriously doubt it.

Joe

Ansar

I see....can someone please tell me what the differences are with the mainstream muslims?

10 days fasting?
The times are different?
Is it obligatory?
etc.

unknownuser

Salaams ansar,all,

Am i missing something what is Allah only forbidding.

?So eat and drink and be happy. If you see any human being, then Say ?I have declared a fast for the Almighty, and I WILL NOT TALK today to any of mankind
It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you and eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and DO NOT APROACH THEM(SEXUALLY-I PRESUME) while you are devoted in the submissions. These are God?s boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous

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Thanks.

Tay

Peace All,

As many have voiced, I too am torn as the answer has yet to "click" for me. Here's a little snippet pulled from the BAZM Forum that I found interesting. Any and all Arab speakers, please comment

2187...
lwakuloo waishraboo hatta yatabayyana lakumu alkhaytu al-abyadu mina alkhayti al-aswadi mina alfajri

and eat and drink until this becomes as clear to you as the whiteness of the day from the blackness of the night at dawn

This is the first time I've heard the ayah translated as "until this become as clear to you as...". Is this the correct translation?

Peace,
Tay

zenje

Salaam Tay,

I'm no expert there, but what is this translation meant to imply? ? Seems to me that you eat and drink, and once "it" becomes clear to you, you're done... no more eating and drinking! shock

Peace!

Zein

unknownuser

Salaams zenje all,
i just don't get this ayat(2187),let me give an example.

you may do driving and read the theory book and gblty gook till the instructer is with you then don't do driving alone.

Does this mean we don't just drive the car alone or all them three things.

I hope someone helps me here ,its so confusing yet so clear to me.

But worth considering 1926 aswell i think.

Thanks for the help.

Tay

Peace Zenje,

Peace Zen. Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I started typing the other night and realized I was being reflexive. I had to thin about it more. You're right. The translation leads in the wrong direction.
Arrrrrgh! x

OK, I'm at peace with the idea that food and drink is prohibited during the fast, from dawn til dusk. But the length is still bothering me. Is it 30 days, 10 days, 3 days?

What are your thoughts Zen?

Peace,
Tay