Ramadhan Mubaarak
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Salaam Taj,
I said those things to test you guys in free-minds.
I know what saum is and why we do it.I have always fasted a whole month of Ramadhan but it was because of Layth and his confusing 10 days form of Ramadhan that I had enough.
Don't you see how important it is to be careful what you are saying in public.
God is everywhere and he see what we are doing and what we are thinking.
2159
Peace
Sister MajidahSalaam Sister Majidah,
Oh I really wished that the 10 days theory was true because I think more people would be fasting Ramadhan if it was only 10 days.
I really can't imagine that "10 days" would be enough. Six days now (or seven days for some) and I am just starting to adjust to Ssiyamm. So imagine if it would end in the next four days, what feelings/lessons would I have gained in such a short period?
Around four weeks time is good length to get the true taste of Ramadhan, because, strangely, the days of Ramadhan are really and incerdibly the fastest. Look, already one quarter is gone; in a blink of an eye, if I may add!
About your wish that more people would fast if Ramadhan was ten days, honestly, Majidah, I never heard anyone say "If only Ramadhan was just one week, or ten days or two weeks". Those who fasted never complained and those who didn't, never really cared!But Ramadhan must be a lot more then just abstinence because what is the meaning to stay away from food and water, I mean the poor people will not be richer if I do that.
It must have a higher meaning.I agree on the first part and the last. Ramadhan is much more than that, but how much more can we give up to it? If you can give up more than just food and water, then go ahead, the more you give up and the more you give from yourself (without risking your health and well-being) in this blessed month, the more you will get in return
And it is not that the poor will get richer, I disagree with you over that middle part, as the keys of fortune are in Allah?s Hands.
I believe that it is those who fast who will get richer, richer at heart. You cannot give to the poor if you yourself are demanding and needy. Ssiyamm is about you not others. Think of the life-jacket example! In case of emergency, you have to wear the life-jacket first and save your own life before you try to save others. The self-discipline and the control over the impulses should make you feel secured enough and strong enough to lend a hand and help those who are broke and helpless. That is, briefly, the way I see it.Taj
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Salaam Sister Majidah,
Salaam Taj,
I said those things to test you guys in free-minds.
I know what saum is and why we do it.I have always fasted a whole month of Ramadhan but it was because of Layth and his confusing 10 days form of Ramadhan that I had enough.
Don't you see how important it is to be careful what you are saying in public.
God is everywhere and he see what we are doing and what we are thinking.
2159
Peace
Sister MajidahSalaam Sister Majidah,
SwedenMajidah wrote
Oh I really wished that the 10 days theory was true because I think more people would be fasting Ramadhan if it was only 10 days.I really can't imagine that "10 days" would be enough. Six days now (or seven days for some) and I am just starting to adjust to Ssiyamm. So imagine if it would end in the next four days, what feelings/lessons would I have gained in such a short period?
Around four weeks time is good length to get the true taste of Ramadhan, because, strangely, the days of Ramadhan are really and incerdibly the fastest. Look, already one quarter is gone; in a blink of an eye, if I may add!
About your wish that more people would fast if Ramadhan was ten days, honestly, Majidah, I never heard anyone say "If only Ramadhan was just one week, or ten days or two weeks". Those who fasted never complained and those who didn't, never really cared!SwedenMajidah wrote
But Ramadhan must be a lot more then just abstinence because what is the meaning to stay away from food and water, I mean the poor people will not be richer if I do that.
It must have a higher meaning.I agree on the first part and the last. Ramadhan is much more than that, but how much more can we give up to it? If you can give up more than just food and water, then go ahead, the more you give up and the more you give from yourself (without risking your health and well-being) in this blessed month, the more you will get in return )
And it is not that the poor will get richer, I disagree with you over that middle part, as the keys of fortune are in Allah?s Hands.
I believe that it is those who fast who will get richer, richer at heart. You cannot give to the poor if you yourself are demanding and needy. Ssiyamm is about you not others. Think of the life-jacket example! In case of emergency, you have to wear the life-jacket first and save your own life before you try to save others. The self-discipline and the control over the impulses should make you feel secured enough and strong enough to lend a hand and help those who are broke and helpless. That is, briefly, the way I see it.Taj
Please forgive my ignorance, Sister Majidah, but I am wondering what you mean with your statements!
Taj
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Peace be upon you Majidah,
I said those things to test you guys in free-minds.
I know what saum is and why we do it.I have always fasted a whole month of Ramadhan but it was because of Layth and his confusing 10 days form of Ramadhan that I had enough.
Don't you see how important it is to be careful what you are saying in public.
God is everywhere and he see what we are doing and what we are thinking.
Can you please explain the concept of "sawm" (abstaining) to me. I am not clear on what it means and what the method should be.
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Salaam Taj And Kyle,
Sawm is according Al-Quran a time for fasting in all means, food,drink,sex,bad behaviours.
It's a time that should be good for us acording Quran 2184
I think we shall fast so many days we can in the month.
And why use all strange translations like abstinence it sounds like you are in need for drugs, in Sweden we use the word abstinence mostly about drugs.
Peace
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Peace be upon you Majidah,
Sawm is according Al-Quran a time for fasting in all means, food,drink,sex,bad behaviours.
When EXACTLY is this time, please give the references from the reading(quran).
It's a time that should be good for us acording Quran 2184
I think we shall fast so many days we can in the month.
Where does it say we shall abstain as many days as we can, and when is the starting point?
And why use all strange translations like abstinence it sounds like you are in need for drugs, in Sweden we use the word abstinence mostly about drugs
Respected sister, SAWM means to abstain. Please look at the verse where mary "sawm" from talking to any human. Did Mary "not eat and drink" from talking to humans? Or did she ABSTAIN from not talking to humans?
Respectfully sister, if you do not realize that sawm means "abstain" and not "fasting", then there is NO WAY that you can truly know what 'Sawm" is.
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Salaam Sister Majidah,
It was Kyle who asked you about Sawm, not me!
I was never confused about fasting, btw.
What caught me by surprise is your generalizing when you wrote to test you guys in free-minds!
I really can't get what you mean by that? The guys and gals in Freeminds come in all shapes and sizes roll I mean, we don't belong to one school of thought! I, for one, am one old fashioned traditionalist!Taj
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The guys and gals in Freeminds come in all shapes and sizes I mean, we don't belong to one school of thought!
A lot of people find that a difficult concept to grasp. That's why we have some people come in here and call the members a sect (Not realizing they're members too! lol ).
Peace!
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Peace be upon you Zenje,
A lot of people find that a difficult concept to grasp. That's why we have some people come in here and call the members a sect (Not realizing they're members too! ).
Good observation! D
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Salaam Br Kyle,
Sawm is according Al-Quran a time for fasting in all means, food,drink,sex,bad behaviours.
When EXACTLY is this time, please give the references from the reading(quran).
In Quran verse 2185 it says that we shall fast the month of Ramadhan.It's a time that should be good for us acording Quran 2184
I think we shall fast so many days we can in the month.
Where does it say we shall abstain as many days as we can, and when is the starting point?
That is only my own understanding.The starting point is when we have viewed the new moon.And why use all strange translations like abstinence it sounds like you are in need for drugs, in Sweden we use the word abstinence mostly about drugs
Respected sister, SAWM means to abstain. Please look at the verse where mary "sawm" from talking to any human. Did Mary "not eat and drink" from talking to humans? Or did she ABSTAIN from not talking to humans?
So you mean that Mary had abstenence because she wasn't allowed to talk? This sounds strange to me I think she was happy that she hasn't have to say anything to her people who only judge her wrong.
Respectfully sister, if you do not realize that sawm means "abstain" and not "fasting", then there is NO WAY that you can truly know what 'Sawm" is.
How can you say that, are you sitting there with the best translations?Peace
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Salaam Br Taj,
I didn't mean anything in particular just that I think that you guys have discussed this issue during a long period and still so many ?????
So I was only a bit of ironic that's all.
Never mind!
Peace
Sis Majidah
Salaam Sister Majidah,
It was Kyle who asked you about Sawm, not me!
I was never confused about fasting, btw.
What caught me by surprise is your generalizing when you wrote to test you guys in free-minds!
I really can't get what you mean by that? The guys and gals in Freeminds come in all shapes and sizes roll I mean, we don't belong to one school of thought! I, for one, am one old fashioned traditionalist!Taj
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Salaam Sister Majidah,
Salaam Br Taj,
I didn't mean anything in particular just that I think that you guys have discussed this issue during a long period and still so many ?????
So I was only a bit of ironic that's all.
Never mind!
Peace
Sis Majidah
Personally, I haven't engaged in any discussion regarding Ramadhan but if the members here did, then I don't really see why not! One can never be done discussing the Quran, the more you look in it the more it opens up, endlessly! So amazing!
I admire that Layth didn't hesitate to lay out his theory in spite of its remoteness. I find his move very daring, and daring to me means trust, in oneself as well as in God!
So even if I don't participate in most of the discussions here, I still admire them, and consider myself lucky to be able to read the sometimes "unusual" ones!
There is no judging involved between the participants. Here, you would find great respect for the other opinion, no matter how strange that opinion may sound! That is why this forum is really cool )So, anyway, Majidah, keep speaking your mind and breath the freedom that is allowed here )
And btw, I am a sister!
Peace
Taj
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Peace be upon you sister Majidah,
When EXACTLY is this time, please give the references from the reading(quran).
In Quran verse 2185 it says that we shall fast the month of Ramadhan.But you must realize that the God's system remains the SAME for all people since the beginning, it did not start with the Arabs. Abstaining was instructed for all people, the month called "ramadhan" is a newcomer, when would Abraham have abstained? He certainly did not go by the Arabic months/calendar.
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It's a time that should be good for us acording Quran 2184I think we shall fast so many days we can in the month.
Where does it say we shall abstain as many days as we can, and when is the starting point?
That is only my own understanding.The starting point is when we have viewed the new moon.Which moon? Half, full, new moon? And what verse do you get that from?
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And why use all strange translations like abstinence it sounds like you are in need for drugs, in Sweden we use the word abstinence mostly about drugsRespected sister, SAWM means to abstain. Please look at the verse where mary "sawm" from talking to any human. Did Mary "not eat and drink" from talking to humans? Or did she ABSTAIN from not talking to humans?
So you mean that Mary had abstenence because she wasn't allowed to talk? This sounds strange to me I think she was happy that she hasn't have to say anything to her people who only judge her wrong.
The word "abstain" means to stop doing something, with Mary, she STOPPED talking, with the traditional method of fasting, one STOPS eating food and drink. I do not understand yet what we reallu must do, but the word "sawm" definately meansn "abstain", not "fast".
Respectfully sister, if you do not realize that sawm means "abstain" and not "fasting", then there is NO WAY that you can truly know what 'Sawm" is.
How can you say that, are you sitting there with the best translations?
Respected sister, please show me the verses for "sawm" and tell me how you can possibly justify this word being "fast". Lets start there.
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Peace be upon you Taj,
No, I have never seen that discussion, please provide some clarification for us on that subject.
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