UFO sighting Phenomenon-Documentary
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Salam to both, Prince and Johan,
Well, I also think that many of the UFO's flying around are man made, surely because of the Nazi's haunebus developed along the past decades. An episode of the Ancient Aliens series mentions Werner Von Brauun, ex-Nazi and the father of the American space program, when saying that he developed rocket technology and space technology with the help of aliens.
But when talking of aliens, what are we talking about ? Beings from other planets in this universe or from others ? (I mean, other dimensions...)
Do you think it's possible that Jinns, people from other dimensions, found a way to enter our universe through portals that lead to our universe ?
I was also thinking about what Credo Mutwa said to D. Icke in "The Reptilian Agenda",about the reptilian "chitauri's" literally living underground, on this Earth, hiding from the population of the surface and having preserved old technology by surviving massive disasters in distant pasts.
What do you think about all that ? Stewart Swerdlow mentioned a possible fake staged alien invasion against Humanity, where a reptilian race would come to save us and protect us from so called bad aliens. They would then (the reptilian "saviors"present themselves as part of the history of Humanity, and we would accept them, just as they were living among us in a remote Past. A serious book talks about a more than serious possible alien invasion, it is entitled "Project Epiphany" , written by Richard J. Boylan Phd....
Well, I don't see anything in Quran going against that. Quite the contrary, some passages of Quran (Jinn meaning also "Serpent' in Ancient Arabic) , and of the Bible with the Nephilims and the Old Serpent (Satan), go in that sense.
Anyway, for the Sura of the Elephant, I have another translation, I don't think it is what you mentioned Johan, but it's a good and original attempt.
Peace to both of you.
Kamzo
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Salaam Kizmo.
David Icke is an interesting researcher and I find it interesting how the reptilian symbology is all over the world and throughout ancient history. I'm aware of the verse in the Quran of how Moses is instructed to throw his staff and it becomes serpent like which the word in arabic comes from the same root word as jinn....so maybe that there is a clue to the nature of what jinns are....whether they can shape shift as some believe I haven't come across any clues in the Quran.
I believe the modern technology we have was discovered through "alien" contact possibly through Roswell incident in New Mexico hence why Area 51 is a no go area and very secretive.
Based on my reading of the quran there's no doubt that we are NOT alone in being the only conscious beings in this universe, whether they fall under the jinn category or the category of other creations of Allah I'm still unsure.
PEACE
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Salam to both, Prince and Johan,
Well, I also think that many of the UFO's flying around are man made, surely because of the Nazi's haunebus developed along the past decades. An episode of the Ancient Aliens series mentions Werner Von Brauun, ex-Nazi and the father of the American space program, when saying that he developed rocket technology and space technology with the help of aliens.
But when talking of aliens, what are we talking about ? Beings from other planets in this universe or from others ? (I mean, other dimensions...)
Do you think it's possible that Jinns, people from other dimensions, found a way to enter our universe through portals that lead to our universe ?
I was also thinking about what Credo Mutwa said to D. Icke in "The Reptilian Agenda",about the reptilian "chitauri's" literally living underground, on this Earth, hiding from the population of the surface and having preserved old technology by surviving massive disasters in distant pasts.
What do you think about all that ? Stewart Swerdlow mentioned a possible fake staged alien invasion against Humanity, where a reptilian race would come to save us and protect us from so called bad aliens. They would then (the reptilian "saviors"present themselves as part of the history of Humanity, and we would accept them, just as they were living among us in a remote Past. A serious book talks about a more than serious possible alien invasion, it is entitled "Project Epiphany" , written by Richard J. Boylan Phd....
Well, I don't see anything in Quran going against that. Quite the contrary, some passages of Quran (Jinn meaning also "Serpent' in Ancient Arabic) , and of the Bible with the Nephilims and the Old Serpent (Satan), go in that sense.
Anyway, for the Sura of the Elephant, I have another translation, I don't think it is what you mentioned Johan, but it's a good and original attempt.
Peace to both of you.
Kamzo
Salam Kamzo and Prince,
Thanks for the pointers.
I'd agree with some points about the serpent thing with Prince.
Though not sure with jinn and the connection with serpent..interestingly enough 7ayaah(life) and 7ayyah(serpent) have same root 7a ya ya
Sahih International
So he threw it down, and thereupon it was a snake, moving swiftly.Sahih International
And present to them the example of the life of this world, like rain which We send down from the sky, and the vegetation of the earth mingles with it and it becomes dry remnants, scattered by the winds. And Allah is ever, over all things, Perfect in Ability.and we were ajinnatun(hidden/fetus/of jin??) also when we were inside our mothers womb
Sahih International
Those who avoid the major sins and immoralities, only slight ones. Indeed, your Lord is vast in forgiveness. He was most knowing of you when He produced you from the earth and when you were fetuses??? in the wombs of your mothers. So do not claim yourselves to be pure; He is most knowing of who fears Him.so not sure what are jinn or even what are we?
I'm currently watching V in WB Tv. @Season 2 ep 2 i guess..
Very interesting, can't wait to see the endings.. ))
But if the jinn were to be serpent aliens, i'd bet they are way superior technologically then the depiction in V ..wallahua3lam
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salam Johan and Prince,
Thanks for your insights. You think well about all that stuff, Prince. In my area of research, that is Old Semitic Languages, I noticed something very interesting about the nature of so called spirits/jinns, even in other ancient civilizations ( Mayan, Greek, Hindu,...). In Ancient Arabic language, there is effectively a clue to the nature of what jinns are.
Dear Johan, the root 7-y-y has two meanigs and each of the verses you quote refer in my opinion to one of the meanings. 5332 refers to feotus and the others to life and snake respectively, because of the contexts. You're also right to say that if the the jinn were to be serpent aliens, they're surely are way superior technologically then the depiction in V ...you can have an idea by reading "the Cometa Report" written by French renowned high degree scientists, freely downloadable on the web, and also Jacques Vall?e's books, that you can find for sometimes less than 10 USD on Abebooks.com.
Pay also attention to the last episode of V (2009), and compare it to what Serge Monast said about the Blue Beam Project, you'll be surprised
Peace,
Kamzo
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salam Johan and Prince,
Thanks for your insights. You think well about all that stuff, Prince. In my area of research, that is Old Semitic Languages, I noticed something very interesting about the nature of so called spirits/jinns, even in other ancient civilizations ( Mayan, Greek, Hindu,...). In Ancient Arabic language, there is effectively a clue to the nature of what jinns are.
Dear Johan, the root 7-y-y has two meanigs and each of the verses you quote refer in my opinion to one of the meanings. 5332 refers to feotus and the others to life and snake respectively, because of the contexts. You're also right to say that if the the jinn were to be serpent aliens, they're surely are way superior technologically then the depiction in V ...you can have an idea by reading "the Cometa Report" written by French renowned high degree scientists, freely downloadable on the web, and also Jacques Vall?e's books, that you can find for sometimes less than 10 USD on Abebooks.com.
Pay also attention to the last episode of V (2009), and compare it to what Serge Monast said about the Blue Beam Project, you'll be surprised
Peace,
Kamzo
Salam Kamzo19,
great, will do some readings on those pointers inshaallah..
keep us informed..Peace,
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salam Johan and Prince,
Thanks for your insights. You think well about all that stuff, Prince. In my area of research, that is Old Semitic Languages, I noticed something very interesting about the nature of so called spirits/jinns, even in other ancient civilizations ( Mayan, Greek, Hindu,...). In Ancient Arabic language, there is effectively a clue to the nature of what jinns are.
Energy beings?
Please share.
PEACE
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peace be with you as well
well, I would believe in extraterrestrial life, maybe even in other universes 4229
also, Jinns might possess the capability of having advanced technology 2738
they could fly around and "touch the sky" 728 -
Peace, to all.
Well Youssef, I agree with you. But I don't understand what is the relation with 4221 and "another universe" as you said. Did you hear what is said to have happened to the Admiral Byrd when he flew to the Pole ? A lot of sightings of strange otherwordly but earthly beings are seen around,(sometimes heard around, for example see "The Psychic Sasquatch and their UFO connection" by Jack Lapseritis M.S.).
As for you, Johan, the expression "energy beings" , in my opinion, is unaccurate and lacks of relevance; because all beings, Humans, plants, and animals, are made of energy, so they are energy beings. The question that has to be answered is "what is the range of reality in which these Jinns can operate ?" . And if you try to answer, you have to consider if they operate with their physical body, or in a different plan of reality, with their astral body, or remotely by other psychic means.
Some researchers have thought about the possibility of creatures operating in the range of plasma electricity. Is this what you mean, Johan ?
Peace,
kamzo
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Some researchers have thought about the possibility of creatures operating in the range of plasma electricity. Is this what you mean, Johan ?
Peace,
kamzo
I quoted you with the response of energy beings.
Yeh I agree with you energy beings is inaccurate and I believe plasma beings maybe more relevant in describing them.
It would be interesting if anyone has an article they can post possibly linking jinns, nephilim, annunaki, arkans etc and getting a better picture of jinns. Not saying that the listed are synonymous and that the quran is inaccurate but the problem lies in deciphering our reality to what the quran is trying to tell us.
PEACE
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Related to this but not delving into any quranic aspects/aliens etc...would be interested in knowing if anyone has any articles related to unidentified objects reported by pilots specifically? Not static objects (e.g. it looked like a cigar/saucer etc) but coloured/brightly lit moving ones behaving intelligently. I've read some accounts and would like to read a decent compilation since my interest is related to a similar account which I have no reason to doubt. Tia.
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Shalom Aleikhem,
I don't even know where to start. The clue is in the term UFO.
Peace
------------ Student of Allah
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Peace to all,
Well, the article AK85 has put is a very nice one. It illustrates what a lot of pilots can see in their everyday job, proving that UFOs are real, but cannot be identified as 100% being from an extraterrestrial origin. It's intelligent, but it can be terrestrial. It also shows how if an army of UFOs like the one of the Teheran incident would attack earth's defense forces and armies, we wouldn't be able to resist more than two days...
As for the answer to SavageCarrot, I don't know any book related specifically to only what pilots have seen, but, you can read any of Jacque Vall?e's books, starting by his last one "Wonders in the Sky".
Peace,
Kamzo
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Yeah I read that one, interesting stuff. And thanks Kamzo, will give it a try.
peace
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if you read the pilot's account of the speed of the objects, as well as how his jet's weapon systems etc. stopped working whenever he got too close, very interesting/thought provoking stuff
also funny how there were high ranking u.s. military officials there to debrief him as soon as he landed
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I sent someone an account back in 2006 and my thoughts
Anyway, my father is a commercial pilot (former millitary) and him and a co-pilot reported anomalous phenomena consisting of a ball of green light over the atlantic on a trans-atlantic night flight. This ball behaved very strangely as it sort of started following the plane and then doing these acrobatic stunts that my father said was impossible for any conventional plane be it commercial or millitary to have done, as the negative g's were not possible to pull off the way it was happening. Then after around 5 minutes of doing this, it streaked by their plane and disappeared and immediately their EMS started malfunctioning and the alarms went off.
This is reported by many pilots in the course of half a century and the aviation authorities take it seriously enough to do reports on them as they are all reported by professionals who have no reason to fake anything. In many cases there have been multiple witnesses as well. The behaviour seems like dolphins when they sight a boat and want to get attention, curious and playful. Here is a link about the phenomenon, they have pictures, accounts, research and studies done on it
http//www.narcap.org/
What is interesting is that the skeptics thought it was ball lightning etc etc but they all turned up wrong as the indepth studies prove that it can't be ball lightning or their conventional explanations. They end the reports by saying uptil now, we have no idea what this is and why it happens. I know that we keep discovering species, do you think this might be a kind of life form of some sort given the reactions and actions that it displays? If it is natural phenomena which is proven conclusively as the reprts and evidence suggest, then how is the behaviour explained?
Think he also mentioned something to do with ice, some system turned on after.
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My friend told me (I know not the greatest source) that heard a story about how the Soviets actually launched someone into space before Yuri Gagarin, but that his ship was intercepted by two alien ship, and they both played "ping pong" with the soviet ship before getting bored and going their own way. Needless to say the Soviets were apparently so shocked that they covered up the whole thing.
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My friend told me (I know not the greatest source) that heard a story about how the Soviets actually launched someone into space before Yuri Gagarin, but that his ship was intercepted by two alien ship, and they both played "ping pong" with the soviet ship before getting bored and going their own way. Needless to say the Soviets were apparently so shocked that they covered up the whole thing.
And the ship was completely fine and intact, the aliens just wanted to have some fun apparently.
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Think I read that someplace but thought it was a urban space legend.
There are aliens and then there are aliens. Personally, I wouldn't think things would be as ambiguous if aliens like they say exist, actually do exist.
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Salam to all,
Well, this kind of incident ressembles what happened to the Phobos satellite. Google it as "phobos incident", when the Russians sent a satellite to Mars and it was intercepted by "something" intelligent. It is very well documented. It showed them that one of the natural moons of Mars, named Phobos, may be inhabited, as well as the moon. Late Zecharia Sitchin describes in "the 12th Planet" and in "Genesis Revisited", how Mars was once a space station for a race of beings who lived in a distant planet of our solar system, when they visited Earth thousands of years ago. (Last time was during Sumerian period).
A book has also been written in the field of parapsychology, by the famous Ingo Swann, the remote viewer of the CIA. It's entitled "Penetration". He explains how an agency used his psychic gift to explore the surface of our Moon. When doing so, surprise, there was tremendous activity upthere. You can download it for free at 4shared.com. If you add to that the dozens of NASA photographs and pictures took by independant researchers that show anomalies on the Moon. It leaves no doubt that the surface of our Moon is inhabited by intelligent people who build tall buildings, dig tunnels, and install power plants that generate a lot of heat. The power plants generating heat are also the way governments noticed that Earth's underground was inhabited by non-humans when watching infrared satellite pictures, they noticed that supposedly desert regions of the globe had places in the ground from where great amounts of heat was escaping.
Observations shew at those places intense UFO activity, (literally UFOs coming out from inside mountains, and landing inside. They noticed also similar activity in mountain area in Africa, Australia, South America, and in famous lakes in South America for example. A lot of books about that...
It's interesting to notice that these places were sacred for indigenous people in the Past. They say that the "gods" lived there. Storied also talk about "serpent gods", interesting when compared to "jinns" that mean "serpent" in Old Arabic....
Peace.