fighting against infidels
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Peace be upon you Dr.,
It seems you have prematurely concluded saying " I have explained well enough ! " There is a lot, lots more to exchange. But I cannot force into discussion any further. Peace!
Brother, please continue, when I said "explained well enough", my intended meaning was that I hope I was clear so you could understand my position, not that I was done discussing it. Please continue, I am very happy with debating towards truth. This is the only way that I have found to TEST understandings. Please continue respected brother.
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Peace idolfree,
I am sorry I have terribly misunderstood
May Allah save us from the mischief of shaitan!Both. We need both, knowledge is what leads you to wisdom. We have our senses of sight, hearing, etc in order to gather worldly knowledge, or should I say, knowledge of the SEEN world.
Knowledge is Perishable; Wisdom is Cherishable
Allah says the world is a material excellence from Him bound to be destroyed at the appointed time. The worldly knowledge is of the same status hearing is hallucination; vision is illusion; learning is delusion. All material subjects are bound to eclipse one day. Allah has not created the heavens and the earth and everything inbetween in vain but to see Allah's Signs ( ayats, wisdom, quran ) there in. Get into the life of seeing the invisible, the only way to believe and strengthen our iman in Allah and His Way. "How many a Sign in the heavens and on the earth! Lo! They go past by it while seeing it!" is Allah's lament. They have eyes; but they do not pore over! They have ears; yet they do not listen! They have heart; yet not they comprehend! Our special senses shall have to be put into use for special purpose of transcending. But unfortunately we lie low with the material knowledge struggling ourselves with the people of instincts ie., equating ourselves with animals - like the leaders of the world over barking, biting and bombing - which also use the 5 senses, the self-defeating material knowledge of destruction.
Knowledge and WISDOM are worlds apart!
drfazl
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Peace be upon you Doc,
Let me ponder this subject a bit more before responding.
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Salaam,
I understand wisdom to be a working understanding of the known, i.e. it is knowledge to know the benefits of working your crops in a certain way (share cropping) or cultural mores. Knowledge on the other hand is a combination of intellegence, wisdom, and creativity.
Joe
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Peace be upon you Doc,
I had to read over again what you were stating.
I need to ask you a question, are you saying that we should not seek knowledge at all, only wisdom?
My understanding is that knowledge is that which we get from outside, wisdom is that which we get from inside (the divinity that was blown into us). I think knowledge is what AWAKENS the wisdom within. That is why we are here on this material earth, to go through the phase of collecting knowledge so that Wisdom can awaken and we can bring "heaven on earth".
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brother idolfree,
You are very close to perfectness in understanding between Wisdom, the supreme inner force and the knowledge, the downtrodden gutter.
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My understanding is that knowledge is that which we get from outside, wisdom is that which we get from inside (the divinity that was blown into us). - Alhamdulillah
I think knowledge is what AWAKENS the wisdom within. - idolfree
Once the wisdom is awakened, the knowledge is bound to wane into oblivion. Please think in the following sense only when we meet with a dead end that our knowledge leads us to finally, - our Wisdom of Faith in the UNSEEN opens up in our mind, pleading if a miracle should save us! Is it not that when our worldly knowledge convulses and makes us crest fallen, Wisdom of faith brings up Hope in us, that gives New Life? Knowledge is deathward! Knowldge shows us the way only to a certain level as far the distance eyes could travel through. From then on only the vision, the wisdom alone could carry you further beyond any infinity, through transcending, the only and grand need of the future, that sweeps the barriers of worldly knowledge having all the ingredients of evil directions i.e., the fateful directions of pride
And as for those who have no Wisdom, - their knowledge is like the mirage in a desert, which the thirsty man deems to be water; until when he comes to it he finds it to be naught, and there he seeks his need for Wisdom but belatedly; so the Wisdom is quick in reckoning; most die or commit suicide at this point. At the end of the worldly knowledge worry and fear alone await us, thus!
That is why we are here on this material earth, to go through the phase of collecting knowledge so that Wisdom can awaken and we can bring "heaven on earth".
I leave the above quote , now , for your kind consideration.
drfazl
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Peace be upon you,
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That is why we are here on this material earth, to go through the phase of collecting knowledge so that Wisdom can awaken and we can bring "heaven on earth".I leave the above quote , now , for your kind consideration.
I have read your response, but I am unsure as to what you have asked of me regarding the above quote. Do you disagree with it? I see the mission as being one of bringing the PEACE that exsists in the higher dimensions down here to the earthly dimension, until the time that we are returned to the SOURCE of PEACE.
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I see the mission as being one of bringing the PEACE that exsists in the higher dimensions down here to the earthly dimension, until the time that we are returned to the SOURCE of PEACE.
- Peace be upon you idolfree
You say 'Peace exists in the higher dimensions that which is not on earth. You say the mission is to bring the Peace down to the earthly dimension'
I need to clarify this are these 2 different things? 'Higher dimensions and earthly dimension'? If so, how is it possible that the vastness of higher dimensions can be borught down to fit into the earthly dimension? Is it that we are to return to the source of peace and that we shall abandon the materialistic worldly knowledge which is self destructible? i.e., by ourselves being elevated and be raised up unto HIM?
drfazl
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
You say 'Peace exists in the higher dimensions that which is not on earth. You say the mission is to bring the Peace down to the earthly dimension'
I need to clarify this are these 2 different things? 'Higher dimensions and earthly dimension'?
Yes and no. We get the term "individual" due to the understanding that there are two "worlds" that are an indivisible duality. There is the unseen world where energy/matter is undifferentaited and there is the seen world where energy/matter is differentiated. There is peace where there is no differentation, we should strive to bring unity to the seen world by raising our conciousness to the higher levels.
If so, how is it possible that the vastness of higher dimensions can be borught down to fit into the earthly dimension?
Who says it has to fit into the earthly dimensions? I am sure that only a dab will do
Is it that we are to return to the source of peace and that we shall abandon the materialistic worldly knowledge which is self destructible? i.e., by ourselves being elevated and be raised up unto HIM?
I disagree, we need knowledge to awaken the wisdom, how can we abandon the foundation, if the people who work on the leaning tower of Pisa abaondoned the foundation, it would have fallen a long time ago due to the UNCHANGING LAWS.