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Inheritance according to Qur?an

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    Mazhar
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    The moment the progeny exceeds one dauhter or one son they fall in the first category---two third is theirs, otherrwise there was no point in determining individual share of a daughter, and then remainder going to others if son is the only progeny.
    Pl see the numericals for daughters, it starts 3 or more than three--Kunna already contained plural feminine pronoun as its Noun, its predicate is again plural feminine, and then is over and above two feminine, and lastly is one feminine. Qur'aan is also indicating and correcting stupid concept of people that two women equal a man, or one son is equal to two daughters.

    And see almost the similarity in treatment regarding a daughter and a son. Single Daughter gets, if I use your way of mentioning, 6/12 and son gets the left over 5/12.

    What help I was seeking was regarding reproportioning the left over 6/12, when there is only daughter, amongst father, mother, and wife accordingly without disturbing what equation they have amongst them in casr of a single son.

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      What help I was seeking was regarding reproportioning the left over 6/12, when there is only daughter, amongst father, mother, and wife accordingly without disturbing what equation they have amongst them in casr of a single son.

      OK to solve any problem we simplify or break it down to most basic elements/cases.

      411 and for their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kna/is (masculine singular) to person walad/son

      1 son, mother (this we agree on)
      1 - 1/6 mother (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/dependent)

      2 sons, mother ?

      Likewise with siblings...

      411 so if kna/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat/brother so to his mother the sixth

      1 brother, mother
      1 - 1/6 mother (fixed/stated) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)

      2 brothers, mother ?

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        Mazhar
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        2/3, 1/3

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          2/3, 1/3

          2 sons, mother ?
          2 brothers, mother ?

          Your answer 2/3, 1/3 ?

          Continue...

          411 and for their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kna/is (masculine singular) to person walad/son
          412 so if kna is (masculine singular) to them walad/son so to you the fourth
          412 so if kna is (masculine singular) to you walad/son so to them the eight

          Is your solution to ignore verses above and evenly distribute all these cases?

          2 sons, mother ?
          2 sons, father ?
          2 sons, wife ?
          2 sons, husband ?

          2 sons, mother, father ?

          2 sons, father, wife ?
          2 sons, mother, wife ?
          2 sons, father, husband ?
          2 sons, mother, husband ?

          2 sons, mother, father, wife ?
          2 sons, mother, father, husband ?

          Likewise with siblings...

          411 so if kna/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat/brother so to his mother the sixth
          4176 and if kn/they were ikh'watun/siblings rijalan wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

          2 brothers, 3 sisters, mother ?

          The above forces you to follow the directive in 4176 ratio 21 male to female.
          Likewise forces you to follow 411 1/6 to mother IF brother ELSE not solvable.

          Mathematical proof
          1 = mother (if variable) + siblings mixed 21 ratio male to female
          1 = y + 2x + x
          1 = y + 3x (no solution without negative numbers (-2=y, 1=x))

          The above is also proof that 4176 al-kallah is fatherless.

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            Mazhar
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            Brother Noon, have you given a thought to this

            The most striking feature of the Inheritance law-injunction is that it is to be distributed according to the Will of Allah the Exalted and the wish of dying person who owns the wealth. Both are mandatory for the bereaved family. Moreover, it is mandatory for the dying person to bequest to dispense justice left to his discretion since he fully knows the ground realities of his kin.

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              Mazhar
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              Brother Noon,

              I have attempted a draft going by strictly the words and their grammatical structuring. Please see it and advise where you find mistakes and omissions.

              Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance. Dying wealthy person is given discretion to bequeath for parents and near blood relatives.

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                Brother Noon,

                I have attempted a draft going by strictly the words and their grammatical structuring. Please see it and advise where you find mistakes and omissions.

                Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance. Dying wealthy person is given discretion to bequeath for parents and near blood relatives.

                Peace brother Mazhar,

                Well written with slight miss-reading of solitary son and applying "to the male like share the two females" and the females in 411 are alone, otherwise numerous cases math does not add.

                example (person leaves $24k) any mixed children/siblings always use 21 ratio ...

                children 1 son 2 daughters
                $12k son + $12k 2 daughters ($6k each)
                411 to the male like share the two (feminine)

                siblings 1 brother 2 sisters
                $12k brother + $12k 2 sisters ($6k each)
                4176 so to the male like share the two (feminine)

                This direction is to meet the situation if solitary son is in the state of being for him-the deceased

                Not only applied to solitary son case; more accurately read IF kana/he is (male) to deceased born...

                903 and the begetter and what born/begot
                1915 and peace upon him day born/begot
                37152 born/begot The God and indeed they surely liars

                We obviously cannot use son above; son is ...

                930 and said the Jews Uzair son The God and said al-nasara the Messiah son The God

                $24k to children, husband, and parents

                example 1 son
                1/3 or $ 8k parents ($4k each) 411 IF male born = TRUE; parent = 1/6
                1/4 or $ 6k husband 412 IF male born = TRUE; husband = 1/4
                5/12 or $10k remainder son

                example 2 sons
                1/3 or $ 8k parents ($4k each)
                1/4 or $ 6k husband
                5/12 or $10k remainder sons ($5k each)

                example 1 son 2 daughters
                1/3 or $ 8k parents ($4k each)
                1/4 or $ 6k husband
                5/12 or $10k remainder children $5k son + $5k 2 daughters ($2.5k each)
                411 to the male like share the two (feminine)

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                  Mazhar
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                  Not only applied to solitary son case; more accurately read IF kana/he is (male) to deceased born...

                  903 and the begetter and what born/begot
                  1915 and peace upon him day born/begot
                  37152 born/begot The God and indeed they surely liars

                  Sorry Noon, serious mistake----here in all three examples the word is Verb not a noun. In inheritance it is Noun with tanween, signifying solitary son-a son.

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                    Mazhar
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                    children 1 son 2 daughters
                    $12k son + $12k 2 daughters ($6k each)
                    411 to the male like share the two (feminine)
                    siblings 1 brother 2 sisters
                    $12k brother + $12k 2 sisters ($6k each)
                    4176 so to the male like share the two (feminine)

                    Equation is given by the words that denote gender, not ecessarily dauther and son. It is the basic key in distribution.

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                      Noon_waalqalami
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                      Sorry Noon, serious mistake----here in all three examples the word is Verb not a noun. In inheritance it is Noun with tanween, signifying solitary son-a son.

                      We can explore addition of tanween to the script and when. Even if noun male child/son main question is

                      IF kana/he is (male) to person walad/son (male child) = TRUE for cases > 1?

                      Does presence of a son trigger 1/6 to parent, 1/4 to husband, 1/8 to wife?

                      Like asking does deceased have son, yes/no? Or asking does deceased have brother, yes/no?

                      We have to choose the best meaning otherwise the calculations do not work.

                      Equation is given by the words that denote gender, not ecessarily dauther and son. It is the basic key in distribution.

                      It's clearly explained when they are mixed to use 21 ratio...

                      4176 AND IF kn/they were ikh'watun siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine) clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

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                        Mazhar
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                        IF kana/he is (male) to person walad/son (male child) = TRUE for cases > 1?

                        Does presence of a son trigger 1/6 to parent, 1/4 to husband, 1/8 to wife?

                        Son is the Noun of Verb Kana and matches the number and gender of verb. And Lahu relates to the predicate of Kana. This is conditional clause, which is describing a ground situation. Its apodosis clause is previous sentence. Thereat 1/6--it is Subject of sentence--is for each of the Parents. Similar is the condition clause for determined shares of spouses, there 1/8 is the Subject of sentence.
                        The share of solitary son is not determined by Allah the Exalted. The left over in such case is left to the discretion and justice of dying man.

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                          Mazhar
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                          We obviously cannot use son above; son is ...

                          930 and said the Jews Uzair son The God and said al-nasara the Messiah son The God

                          It needs to be kept in mind that each word of the vocabulary of Qur'aan is unique and un-substitutable pearl embedded at its place of occurrence in the text.

                          If you take this word and place it in 411 the whole sentence will be spoiled and shall become incorrect in all respects. Please note that it is used in Possessive Phrase and always becomes definite.

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                            Mazhar
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                            We have to choose the best meaning otherwise the calculations do not work.

                            Your approach and perhaps all others who have been trying to make the total equal 1 forgets that the total facts are not in front of them.

                            The issue is not hypothetical but an happening in real life. Data indicated in the Bequest is not before you. The mandatory prioritized shares are only known to you. The rest of the inheritance is in the Bequest.

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                              Noon_waalqalami
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                              Son is the Noun of Verb Kana and matches the number and gender of verb. And Lahu relates to the predicate of Kana. This is conditional clause, which is describing a ground situation. Its apodosis clause is previous sentence. Thereat 1/6--it is Subject of sentence--is for each of the Parents. Similar is the condition clause for determined shares of spouses, there 1/8 is the Subject of sentence.
                              The share of solitary son is not determined by Allah the Exalted. The left over in such case is left to the discretion and justice of dying man.

                              Yes; the question is if the statement is TRUE for 2 sons, 3 sons, 10 sons, etc.?

                              IF kana/(he is) shapes gender of walad IF male child/son then 1/6 to parent.

                              Your approach and perhaps all others who have been trying to make the total equal 1 forgets that the total facts are not in front of them.

                              The issue is not hypothetical but an happening in real life. Data indicated in the Bequest is not before you. The mandatory prioritized shares are only known to you. The rest of the inheritance is in the Bequest.

                              If we had the total facts, a will etc.,no need to consult inheritance verses to arbitrate.
                              They are to be applied when person died, no will, nothing! That is reality for majority.

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                                Mazhar
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                                Quote from Mazhar on Today at 095549 AM

                                Your approach and perhaps all others who have been trying to make the total equal 1 forgets that the total facts are not in front of them.

                                The issue is not hypothetical but an happening in real life. Data indicated in the Bequest is not before you. The mandatory prioritized shares are only known to you. The rest of the inheritance is in the Bequest.

                                Yes; the question is if the statement is TRUE for 2 sons, 3 sons, 10 sons, etc.?

                                IF kana/(he is) shapes gender of walad IF male child/son then 1/6 to parent.

                                If we had the total facts, a will etc.,no need to consult inheritance verses to arbitrate.
                                They are to be applied when person died, no will, nothing! That is reality for majority.

                                It is not you and me to consult the Shares determined and allocated to certain ones by Allah the Exalted. It is the dying person to know the "out of bound" areas of his wealth and decide only about that wealth which is left to his discretion for distribution.

                                Those who do what you stated in red are the violators of the command of Allah the Exalted. They accept Qur'aan partially. We are not concerned with them. It is incumbent upon the Muttaqeen.

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                                  Noon_waalqalami
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                                  Quote from Mazhar on Today at 095549 AM

                                  It is not you and me to consult the Shares determined and allocated to certain ones by Allah the Exalted. It is the dying person to know the "out of bound" areas of his wealth and decide only about that wealth which is left to his discretion for distribution.

                                  Those who do what you stated in red are the violators of the command of Allah the Exalted. They accept Qur'aan partially. We are not concerned with them. It is incumbent upon the Muttaqeen.

                                  OK what's the whole point of inheritance verses; what do we do with his $4 million property?

                                  A man died, no will, and left three small children 1 son, 2 daughters

                                  A man died, no will, and left three small siblings 1 brother, 2 sisters

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    OK what's the whole point of inheritance verses; what do we do with his $4 million property?

                                    A man died, no will, and left three small children 1 son, 2 daughters

                                    Two thrid of $ 4 million property shall be reserved for orphans-2 daughters-1 son who will acquire it on reaching strengthen maturity. The near blood men of deceased enjoying repute will maintain the property of orphans, and decide about the remaining 1/3rd.

                                    Allah the Exalted has taken care of a situation where a person dies all of a sudden. Please see the article I have coloured and bolded OR appearing between Bequest and Outstanding business obligation of the deceased.

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                                      Noon_waalqalami
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                                      Two thrid of $ 4 million property shall be reserved for orphans-2 daughters-1 son who will acquire it on reaching strengthen maturity. The near blood men of deceased enjoying repute will maintain the property of orphans, and decide about the remaining 1/3rd.

                                      Contradiction; you are giving away $1.33 million of their money to others?
                                      What if there are no near blood relatives? Even if there were that's stealing!

                                      Now do the other example same amount 1 brother, 2 sisters?

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Contradiction; you are giving away $1.33 million of their money to others?
                                        What if there are no near blood relatives? Even if there were that's stealing!

                                        Now do the other example same amount 1 brother, 2 sisters?

                                        I have not given. Allah the Exalted is so allowing. Please see the red part of just quoted Ayah. As regards stealing, Allah the Exalted knows it---that is why He the Exalted has mentioned such people in other Ayah mentioned in the Article and the effect of all such foul plays with the property of orphans. No other blood relatives does not mean that the whole society does not exist for this dead man. That is why no specific person is nominated to maintain the property--just general advice what they can consume out of the inheritance.

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                                          Noon_waalqalami
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                                          I have not given. Allah the Exalted is so allowing. Please see the red part of just quoted Ayah. As regards stealing, Allah the Exalted knows it---that is why He the Exalted has mentioned such people in other Ayah mentioned in the Article and the effect of all such foul plays with the property of orphans. No other blood relatives does not mean that the whole society does not exist for this dead man. That is why no specific person is nominated to maintain the property--just general advice what they can consume out of the inheritance.

                                          What does I have not given mean? If you don't know it's OK to say so. Here use this

                                          1 brother, 2 sisters (or any mixed siblings)
                                          4176 AND IF kn/they were ikh'watun siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

                                          Mazhar -- take the same example as before for little kids; what if they were adults?

                                          You suggesting take their $1.33 million away and give it to whom exactly strangers?

                                          Simply do what the book says 1 son, 2 daughters (or any mixed children)
                                          411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)

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