Rashad Khalifa Exposed

good_logic

Peace 6619.

We already have the proof that Qoran is from GOD?

Peace.

GODsubmitter

Salaam Godsubmitter,

I am so glad to see that you came to Islam, one way or another.
Do not be disappointed because of Rashad's deviance. We know he also did very good things, especially putting the emphasis on the Quran alone.
The article that will be published on Tuesday, August 14 on http//www.islamrevolution.org/ will confirm you in the strongest manner that I am right regarding the way words should be counted, which disqualifies Rashad's claims.
Most importantly, I totally believe that you will have the confirmation that the religion you chose, Islam, and that the book you follow, the Quran, are indeed God's revelation to the world. Please, do not doubt.
I wish you a blessed ramadan.

Pierre

Thank you for your beautiful answer!
God bless!

loxbox13

Salaam everyone,

Pierre

Good to see you 6619 , or Pierre
we did chat before, but the main point is search for the truth
you found that rashad was a deception, that is good to see where falshood is, but most important is , to find where the truth is
to me it is simple, what rashad did, is the same what the sunnis or shia did, instead of searching the true origin of the quranic words, and understanding their meanings, we find our selves searching for rituals, and how to perform them, or searching for digits, that doesn't help much someone who is already convinced of the quran, that it is the word of god

Mazhar

3.7 Claiming Muhammad was not unlettered.

Rashad Khalifa claimed that Muhammad was not illiterate prior to receiving the first revelation (appendix 2 and did make some valid points in his article. He was actually partially right but was also wrong. The Quran does tell us that Muhammad was illiterate when he first received the revelation

(294 You did not recite before it (the Quran) any book (?Kitabeen? indefinite in Arabic), nor did you write any with your right hand?.

Rashad claims in appendix 28 that 2948 ?relates specifically to previous scriptures? which is not what the original Quranic verse says as the indefinite ?kitabeen? is used in the verse ?You did not recite before it any book??.

Erroneous understanding because of lack of understanding the grammar necessary for reading Arabic text.

Irrefutable historical evidence Exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam was the First to transcribe the Grand Qur'aan in writing

Noon_waalqalami

I now consider 9128-129 as part of the Quran.

Peace Pierre, it's good that you used reason and that the blinders are lifted.

What you are still doing is flipping through combinations reporting multiples.
Each is unique; e.g. you cannot ever reproduce this 4 word 19 letter pattern.

indeed We gave you to drink it the inebriant traces/small amounts

gv multiple = 19 x ...
a+b+c+d = 19 x ...
a b c d = 19 x ...
a 1 b 2 c 3 d 4 = 19 x ...
a 1 (a+b) 2 (a+b+c) 3 (a+b+c+d) 4 = 19 x ...
(a+1) 1 (a+1+b+2) 2 (a+1+b+2+c+3) 3 (a+1+b+2+c+3+d+4) 4 = 19 x...
1 50 1 60 100 10 50 1 20 40 6 5 1 30 600 40 200 1 500 = 19 x 79031631634216863500 6873705368500
2 + 10 + 5 + 2 = 19 x 1 (total letters)
2 10 5 2 = 19 x 1108
2 1 10 2 5 3 2 4 = 19 x 11106596
2 1 12 2 17 3 19 4 = 19 x 1111693326
3 1 15 2 23 3 29 4 = 19 x 1639591226

Therefore, did I create miracle verse? No I only built a unique fence around it.
What if each verse had the same consistent pattern? That is evidence of code.

sonnie

thanks for this amazing post bro!

6619

Good to see you 6619 , or Pierre
we did chat before, but the main point is search for the truth
you found that rashad was a deception, that is good to see where falshood is, but most important is , to find where the truth is
to me it is simple, what rashad did, is the same what the sunnis or shia did, instead of searching the true origin of the quranic words, and understanding their meanings, we find our selves searching for rituals, and how to perform them, or searching for digits, that doesn't help much someone who is already convinced of the quran, that it is the word of god

Salaam Loxbox ,

Good to hear from you as well.
I do not agree on rituals as the Quran details rituals of hajj and shows people do group prayer, bow, prostrate.
God bless you.

Pierre

6619

Erroneous understanding because of lack of understanding the grammar necessary for reading Arabic text.

Irrefutable historical evidence Exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam was the First to transcribe the Grand Qur'aan in writing

Salaam Mazhar,

I do not know if you misunderstood me or if I misunderstood you.
I do believe that Muhammad wrote the Quran with his own hands, but that he was illiterate at the time he received the revelation.
Peace.

Pierre

good_logic

Peace 6619.

Where did you get "but that he was illiterate at the time he received the revelation." from?

Peace.

Mazhar

Salaam Mazhar,

I do not know if you misunderstood me or if I misunderstood you.
I do believe that Muhammad wrote the Quran with his own hands, but that he was illiterate at the time he received the revelation.
Peace.

Pierre

Ok, you have divided into two points in time.

Can you ask someone presenting him a book that "you read it" who does not know reading the text?

Raaajah

Salaam Mazhar sahib,

I am bit confused, I think it was not any book that was presented! those were short verses with gaps that were presented and then memorized and written down and book shape was given at much later stage.

Second by unlettered what is meant?
not knowing how to Read?
Write?
or Both?

Thanks and Ramadan Mubarak

6619

Ok, you have divided into two points in time.

Can you ask someone presenting him a book that "you read it" who does not know reading the text?

Salaam Mazhar,

(294 You did not recite before it (the Quran) any book (?Kitabeen? indefinite in Arabic), nor did you write any with your right hand?.

(Isaiah 2910) For the Lord has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep, He has shut your eyes, the prophets, and He has covered your heads, the seers. (2911) The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, ?Please read this?, he will say, ?I cannot, for it is sealed? (2912) Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying ?Please read this?, and he will say ?I cannot read?.

The above two verses from the Quran and the Bible make it clear that Muhammad was illiterate when he received the revelation.
In sura 96, God commands Muhammad "Iqra!" (Recite!); that is to say without a script, because no physical book fell down from the sky.
In 964, God says that he is "the one who taught through the means of the pen", meaning that muhammad was going to learn how to write and read, since he couldn't "recite before it (the Quran) any book" nor "write with his right hand" (294 prior to receiving the revelation.
Since 2948 says "before it", it suggests that "after it" he learned how to write and read.
Overall, it cannot be more clear that Muhammad was illiterate on the Night of Decree when he received the Quran.
Peace and God bless.

Pierre

6619

Peace 6619.

Where did you get "but that he was illiterate at the time he received the revelation." from?

Peace.

Salaam,

Please read my previous post to Mazhar.
God bless.

good_logic

Peace 6619.

could also mean " You did not read/preach any book/scripture , nor did you write any book/scripture before this one."

This would not apply that you could not read or write to get by in life (ie illiterate)?

peace.

GODsubmitter

Salaam Mazhar,

(294 You did not recite before it (the Quran) any book (?Kitabeen? indefinite in Arabic), nor did you write any with your right hand?.

(Isaiah 2910) For the Lord has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep, He has shut your eyes, the prophets, and He has covered your heads, the seers. (2911) The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, ?Please read this?, he will say, ?I cannot, for it is sealed? (2912) Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying ?Please read this?, and he will say ?I cannot read?.

The above two verses from the Quran and the Bible make it clear that Muhammad was illiterate when he received the revelation.
In sura 96, God commands Muhammad "Iqra!" (Recite!); that is to say without a script, because no physical book fell down from the sky.
In 964, God says that he is "the one who taught through the means of the pen", meaning that muhammad was going to learn how to write and read, since he couldn't "recite before it (the Quran) any book" nor "write with his right hand" (294 prior to receiving the revelation.
Since 2948 says "before it", it suggests that "after it" he learned how to write and read.
Overall, it cannot be more clear that Muhammad was illiterate on the Night of Decree when he received the Quran.
Peace and God bless.

Pierre

Very good post @6619!
I like it very much when Qur'an is linked with the Bible, because Qur'an is confirming the Bible which is the ultimate foundation of God's message.

I also agree that Muhammad got the order ""Iqra!" (Recite!); that is to say without a script"" and, in some special way, he learned to write and read some special, or particular, form of Arabic, new, "holy", language, different from vulgar Arabic.
Maybe in that sense he was illiterate to that special holy language, but he knew the ordinary, vulgar and common Arabic, since he was a merchant and a salesman, after all.

Raaajah

Maybe in that sense he was illiterate to that special holy language, but he knew the ordinary, vulgar and common Arabic, since he was a merchant and a salesman, after all.

I know lot of people here in my country and abroad who are purely illiterate and are good, very good salesmen and merchant,

So this theory holds no air!

GODsubmitter

Hi @6619

is that article published on your site? (you said it should be August the 14th)
What is it's title?
Thank you

6619

Hi @6619

is that article published on your site? (you said it should be August the 14th)
What is it's title?
Thank you

Salaam dear brother,

I posted the articles on http//www.islamrevolution.org/ on the Night of decree as planned.
I started a thread on this forum the next day regarding the "Miracle of the Word Day".
I suggest you check the following article
Miracle of the Word Day http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleofthewordday.htm
Land/Sea ratio http//www.islamrevolution.org/landsearatio.htm
Miracle of 19 http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleof19.htm
and you haven't already
Miracle of Laylatul qadr http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleoflaylatulqadr.htm
These articles provide historical proofs that the Qur'an is the Word of God and is coded mathematically far beyond what any creature can achieve.
God bless you.

Pierre

GODsubmitter

Yes, I saw it later.
Thank you for the update.
God bless!
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