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My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)

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    GODsubmitter
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    Peace scaredmuslimah.

    You were right, about salat in the old testament , actually it was performed 3 times a day.

    I also agree with Edip,Quote

    The Old Testament has at least three verses referring to Contact Prayers (Sala) and they confirm this understanding. Though we may not trust the Biblical translations verbatim, we may not consider them as errors since both internal and external consistency of the Biblical passages regarding the Contact Prayers are striking.

    ?And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.? (1 Samuel 2041)

    ?As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and atnoon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice.? (Psalms 5516-17) (PS crying aloud apparently means praying with passion).

    ?Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towardJerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.? (Daniel 610)

    Also an example of morning prayer in Psalm 5 3
    " My voice shall thou hear in the morning O LORD, in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up."

    Peace.

    One should know, that almost everything in the Bible, is allegorical and metaphorical. The only things that are materially performable could be taught from wise and knowledgeable Rabbis. The rest of "clerics" who approach the Bible are simply astray.

    So, @good logic, you should know that those verses, as particularly ALL of the Psalms, are instructions for the meditation and inner contemplation. What prostrates is not the body, with some choreographic movements, but the spirit, and the mind, subduing the ego to reach god-conscience!

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      Recluse
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      Prostration is mentioned in the Qur'an, whether some people like it or not.

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        Prostration is mentioned in the Qur'an, whether some people like it or not.

        But it is a spiritual prostration of the ego and persona, and not a ballet or gymnoflexes.

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          good_logic
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          Peace GODsubmitter.

          It is both( Spiritual and physical)
          " and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times"

          Read the verses again.
          Peace.

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            GODsubmitter
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            Peace @good logic,

            The face can mean "persona" and the ground can mean basic teaching of god!

            I do not trust Quranic translations, and I do not speak Arabic.
            God finds other means to communicate with His sons!

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              GODsubmitter
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              http//sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs529.ash1/31077_456732079740_778894740_5981009_525050_n.jpg

              external forms of "prayers"

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                Recluse
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                But it is a spiritual prostration of the ego and persona, and not a ballet or gymnoflexes.

                What's your evidence?

                It's normal for a religion to have certain rituals as well. We have a body and a soul after all.

                We are both physical and spiritual beings, we should not pretend to be God.

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                  Wakas
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                  salaam all,

                  For a detailed analysis of SuJuD please see

                  http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    GODsubmitter
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                    ...then I found this yes

                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9R9R-ObgRs&feature=plcp

                    it is so funny! ...and informative...

                    rotfl

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                      Peace Godsubmitter,

                      sometimes we fall short, we are not perfect, and , we are not abraham the perfectionist, but we should continuously strive to be so and always depend on God's mercy in this life as well as the next.

                      the performance of Salat is an act of submission to God
                      so is the fast during the month of ramadhan
                      also the shahadah
                      and Hajj
                      and the conscious Zakat

                      Thalika waman yuAAaththim shaAAa-ira Allahi fa-innaha min taqwa alquloobi
                      2232] Indeed, those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts.

                      Peace O0

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                        Peace Godsubmitter,

                        sometimes we fall short, we are not perfect, and , we are not abraham the perfectionist, but we should continuously strive to be so and always depend on God's mercy in this life as well as the next.

                        the performance of Salat is an act of submission to God
                        so is the fast during the month of ramadhan
                        also the shahadah
                        and Hajj
                        and the conscious Zakat

                        Thalika waman yuAAaththim shaAAa-ira Allahi fa-innaha min taqwa alquloobi
                        2232] Indeed, those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts.

                        Peace O0

                        bravo

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                          GODsubmitter
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                          Here we go again

                          Q58. Why do Muslims have to pray five times every day. Isn?t praying once a day sufficient?
                          Answer.

                          1. Salaah is not merely Prayer

                          Salaah does not merely mean to pray. According to the Oxford dictionary, ?pray? means to beseech or to ask earnestly e.g. "He prayed to be released in the court of law." It also means supplication. In other religions to pray means to beseech or to supplicate e.g. ?Our Lord! Give us this day our daily bread.? The Dua? we Muslims make after Salaah is actually our supplication.

                          1. Salaah is Programming

                          Salaah is much more than merely praying. In Salaah we not only ask from Allah but we also thank Him, praise Him, and at the same time receive guidance from Him. Salaah in the true sense is "programming" or conditioning.

                          1. Unlike computers humans have free will

                          Computers require programming because they do not have a free will of their own. Humans have their own free will and with the various kinds of evil that are present in society such as eve-teasing, cheating, bribing, robbing, alcoholism, drug addiction, obscenity, etc., there is every possibility of the human being getting deprogrammed. Thus it is compulsory that we should regularly be programmed to remain on the Siraatal Mustaqim that is, the Straight Path.

                          1. Healthy body requires 3 meals a day, spiritual soul requires 5 times Salaah a day

                          For a healthy body three meals a day are required. Similarly for a spiritual soul , a minimum five times Salaah is required in a day. You cannot remain healthy by having only one meal a day.

                          1. According to the Qur?an Muslims should pray minimum five times a day

                          According to the Qur'?n a Muslim should pray minimum five times a day. It is mentioned in

                          (i) Surah Hud Chapter 11 Verse 114

                          "And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night for those things that are good remove those that are evil be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)".

                          (ii) Surah Al-Isra Chapter 17 Verse 78

                          "Establish regular prayers ? at the sun?s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony".

                          (iii) Surah Ta-Ha Chapter 20 Verse 130

                          "Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; Yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy".

                          (iv) Surah Rum Chapter 30 Verses 17-18

                          "So (give) glory to Allah, when ye reach eventide and when ye rise In the morning; Yea, to Him be praise, in the heavens and on earth; and in the late afternoon and when the day begins to decline".

                          (v) Timings of 5 times Salaah

                          The 5 daily prescribed Salaah are

                          Fajr ? Between the break of dawn and sunrise.

                          Zuhar ? After the sun reaches its highest point that is when the sun starts declining early in the afternoon till the shadow becomes twice the size of the object or till the point between noon and sunset.

                          Asr ? Late in the afternoon after Zuhar until sun begins to set.

                          Magrib ? After sunset until disappearance of twilight.

                          Isha ? Late in the evening or in the night after disappearance of twilight until the break of Fajr but preferably offered before midnight.

                          source

                          http//www.allaahuakbar.net/misconceptions/58.htm

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                            GODsubmitter
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                            Some Sufi thoughts on Salat

                            Salat (Namaz or Prayer)

                            Salat, the Islamic prayer. Hazrat All Hujwari describes various beneficial meanings of Salat in the light of Sufism. He says "Salat not only puts the devotee on the path leading to Allah but also opens up all the secrets of this path to a keenly devoted mind." For instance, wuzu (ablution) means outward cleanliness of the body, the first and foremost condition to prepare for Salat. Then comes tauba (repentance) which means inner cleanliness of the devotee. Then comes the standing posture facing towards Kaaba, which means the devotee's implicit faith in and devotion to Allah. Then comes Qayaam which means struggle against Nafs. Then starts the Qirat (recitation of certain Qur?anic verses) which means zikr or remembrance of Allah. Then follows ruku (the first forward bending-pose) which denotes humility overpowering the Nafs. Then comes Tashhed-e-Uns which indicates assertion of the devotee's complete faith in and love for Allah. And finally comes Salaam which means to turn away from all worldly attractions with the blessings of Allah. This is a brief analysis of the benefits or philosophy of Salat as interpreted by Sufis. See also "Postures of the Prophets" for further explanations of the benefits and features of Salat.

                            Concentration In Salat

                            Real Salat is that during which the devotee himself is present in Aalam-e-Nasoot (in this world) but his soul sours high in Aalam-e-Arwah (the spiritual world). This is the most difficult kind of Salat which only prophets, awlia (saints) and great Sufis can perform. Common people need a lot of concentration practice to do it, and yet they may fail.

                            Hazrat Hatira Asum used to say "When I offer my Salat, I see Paradise at my right and hell at my back."

                            source
                            http//www.chishti.org/11_veils.htm

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                              GODsubmitter
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                              An excellent site with an excellent overall explanations of the Qur'an

                              http//www.quransmessage.com/

                              with an excellent section on prayer

                              http//www.quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20FM3.htm

                              sun

                              PS
                              I congratulate and thank the author/creator of that site! I found many answers to my long pondered questions there. God bless!

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                                An excellent site with an excellent overall explanations of the Qur'an

                                http//www.quransmessage.com/

                                with an excellent section on prayer

                                http//www.quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20FM3.htm

                                sun

                                PS
                                I congratulate and thank the author/creator of that site! I found many answers to my long pondered questions there. God bless!

                                I too have visited the site before...it is a very good reference! Thanks for posting the links!

                                Peace,

                                Amina

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                                  hawk99
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                                  Peace GODsubmitter,

                                  I like those links.

                                  I view salat as an opportunity to

                                  1. Obey Allah
                                  2. Commune with Allah
                                  3. refocus my priorities
                                  4. Practice my deen
                                  5. relax
                                  6. increase circulation through out body and brain

                                  I see salat as a wonderful gift, given to me for my benefit, for Allah is in no need I am!

                                  Peace O0

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace All.

                                    Successful indeed are the believers;

                                    231

                                    who are reverent during their Contact Prayers (Salat).

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                                    Peace.

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                                      GODsubmitter
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                                      Thank you @good logic, @hawkninetynine, @scaredmuslimah,

                                      for your replies.

                                      ) group peace

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                                        GODsubmitter
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                                        Salat Is Not Just A Prayer

                                        The salat can best be described as the contact prayer
                                        (the root word sila means to make contact). Strictly
                                        speaking, it is not the same concept of prayer that
                                        people in the West understand when they say, Oh, we
                                        pray to God all the time, usually upon learning that
                                        Muslims pray five times a day. This is supplication,
                                        the act of asking God for whatever needs one has at the
                                        moment. Indeed, people who believe in the Creator,
                                        including Muslims, do this all the time. But salat is
                                        a daily ritual of making regular contact with God,
                                        facing a certain direction, using an ancient formula
                                        which begins with washing to purify oneself, and
                                        includes the specific acts of bowing, kneeling and
                                        prostration to symbolize total submission to Him.

                                        http//web.archive.org/web/20010611092954/http//members.aol.com/worshpgod/sala-haj.txt

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                                          GODsubmitter
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                                          Biblical Perspective Washing

                                          Both the Old and the New Testaments mention many
                                          specific aspects of the contact prayer. For example,
                                          the act of washing to purify oneself before facing God
                                          in prayer is mentioned in Exodus 3017-21, 4030-32,
                                          Psalm 266 and James 48, among others. (Moses, Aaron
                                          and his sons) washed their hands and feet whenever they
                                          entered the Tent of Meeting or approaching the altar,
                                          as the Lord commanded Moses... (Exodus 4032)

                                          Posture Of Humility In Prayers

                                          References to kneeling and prostration to express one's
                                          humbleness before the Almighty abound in the
                                          Bible, practiced by such notables as Abraham, Moses and
                                          Aaron, Joshua, Elijah, Solomon and Jesus
                                          (Genesis 173, Numbers 206, Joshua 514, 1 Kings
                                          1842, 1 Kings 854, Matthew 2636-39, Acts
                                          2030).

                                          Moses and Aaron fell facedown at the Tent of Meeting...
                                          (Numbers 206)(The people) fell prostrate and cried,
                                          The Lord, He is God! The Lord, He is God! ....Elijah
                                          bent down to the ground and put his face between his
                                          knees... (1 Kings 1839,42)

                                          http//web.archive.org/web/20010611092954/http//members.aol.com/worshpgod/sala-haj.txt

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